Ack, I'm number 20 in line for the new Phoenix Wright game and it's at 700 points. I have 700 points currently ... here's to hoping it doesn't go up another 50 next week.
Dang, cause it started at 600 and I had 0 points and was 2nd. Then I actually bought the game at a store so I took it off my requests list at 650. Crazy.
No, really, if it says Full Package you are supposed to send in everything that came with it. Why is this an issue? It's right there in black and white. If you're unsure, list it as disc + manual or contact the recipient before you ship it out to see if they're okay with it.
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No, really, if it says Full Package you are supposed to send in everything that came with it. Why is this an issue? It's right there in black and white. If you're unsure, list it as disc + manual or contact the recipient before you ship it out to see if they're okay with it.
If it's that big of a deal to have something like origami, just fucking buy the game retail and STFU. Caveat Emptor.
If that's the case, then I would imagine that something like this is exactly what the "full package" option is for
What the hell else would it refer to?
The actual box itself. Am I supposed to include the other things? Like advertising filler? Like registration cards? If the point is to trade retail copies, then why not just purchase a shrink wrapped retail copy?
If that's the case, then I would imagine that something like this is exactly what the "full package" option is for
What the hell else would it refer to?
The actual box itself. Am I supposed to include the other things? Like advertising filler? Like registration cards? If the point is to trade retail copies, then why not just purchase a shrink wrapped retail copy?
Which brings up another point; should a "full package" include the shrink wrap? It was part of the original package!
I am like 17th in line for Forza 3 Collector's Edition "full package". Should I really expect anything other than the game, manual, and case?
Yes. In this case if were you matched you should definately expect all the extra crap. Whether you expect anyone to ever actually put that up for trade is another matter. That's the whole point of having the collector's edition as a seperate listing.
I think anyone with any sense can figure out that if it's included in the box, and it's not an advertisement, it's an accessory.
Sorry to say this mate, but you constantly repeating it does not make it truth, Goozex is a USED game trading site, with real humans who will use cool little things like the origami paper and not include them, honestly if you care SO much just but it at retail! or get your whining ass to an art store and spend $4.99 on a pack of origami paper.
Send/Receive Full Package (Disc + Manual/Insert + Case) , this is all you should expect, a mario kart wheel is an accessory, the maps, paper etc are a bonus.
I think anyone with any sense can figure out that if it's included in the box, and it's not an advertisement, it's an accessory.
Sorry to say this mate, but you constantly repeating it does not make it truth, Goozex is a USED game trading site, with real humans who will use cool little things like the origami paper and not include them, honestly if you care SO much just but it at retail! or get your whining ass to an art store and spend $4.99 on a pack of origami paper.
Send/Receive Full Package (Disc + Manual/Insert + Case) , this is all you should expect, a mario kart wheel is an accessory, the maps, paper etc are a bonus.
He was making a valid point, and was coming off as far less of an ass than you were. Also, games are often received new. Predominately used trades take place, but not always.
To your point, if these real humans are going to use these cool little things, they should then label their game as such: a package that is missing included accessories. If it isn't a full package, it's not a fucking full package. Brutally simple concept.
If it gets to a point that the people trading this shit are angry that they were docked down to neutral points for making the mistake, they should do PM's with the recipient of the game. People who use Goozex are fair, intelligent humans; they'd more than likely bring the trader back to a +5 positive.
I think anyone with any sense can figure out that if it's included in the box, and it's not an advertisement, it's an accessory.
Sorry to say this mate, but you constantly repeating it does not make it truth, Goozex is a USED game trading site, with real humans who will use cool little things like the origami paper and not include them, honestly if you care SO much just but it at retail! or get your whining ass to an art store and spend $4.99 on a pack of origami paper.
Send/Receive Full Package (Disc + Manual/Insert + Case) , this is all you should expect, a mario kart wheel is an accessory, the maps, paper etc are a bonus.
He was making a valid point, and was coming off as far less of an ass than you were. Also, games are often received new. Predominately used trades take place, but not always.
To your point, if these real humans are going to use these cool little things, they should then label their game as such: a package that is missing included accessories. If it isn't a full package, it's not a fucking full package. Brutally simple concept.
If it gets to a point that the people trading this shit are angry that they were docked down to neutral points for making the mistake, they should do PM's with the recipient of the game. People who use Goozex are fair, intelligent humans; they'd more than likely bring the trader back to a +5 positive.
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Stuff like DLC codes are still a valid point, though. Technically, one could consider an unused DLC code as part of a full package, as it's part of the game that's included in the box. However, the entire reason the damn things are usually included is to try to limit used game sales. If you buy a used game anywhere other than Goozex (eBay/Half, Amazon, local EB/GS, your pal, etc), I can't imagine you'd expect the one-time use DLC code to be included unless explicitly stated in the description. Why should Goozex be any different?
I think anyone with any sense can figure out that if it's included in the box, and it's not an advertisement, it's an accessory.
Sorry to say this mate, but you constantly repeating it does not make it truth, Goozex is a USED game trading site, with real humans who will use cool little things like the origami paper and not include them, honestly if you care SO much just but it at retail! or get your whining ass to an art store and spend $4.99 on a pack of origami paper.
Send/Receive Full Package (Disc + Manual/Insert + Case) , this is all you should expect, a mario kart wheel is an accessory, the maps, paper etc are a bonus.
He was making a valid point, and was coming off as far less of an ass than you were. Also, games are often received new. Predominately used trades take place, but not always.
To your point, if these real humans are going to use these cool little things, they should then label their game as such: a package that is missing included accessories. If it isn't a full package, it's not a fucking full package. Brutally simple concept.
If it gets to a point that the people trading this shit are angry that they were docked down to neutral points for making the mistake, they should do PM's with the recipient of the game. People who use Goozex are fair, intelligent humans; they'd more than likely bring the trader back to a +5 positive.
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Stuff like DLC codes are still a valid point, though. Technically, one could consider an unused DLC code as part of a full package, as it's part of the game that's included in the box. However, the entire reason the damn things are usually included is to try to limit used game sales. If you buy a used game anywhere other than Goozex (eBay/Half, Amazon, local EB/GS, your pal, etc), I can't imagine you'd expect the one-time use DLC code to be included unless explicitly stated in the description. Why should Goozex be any different?
EA's new policy of including day one, fairly significant codes in their packages is something people need to look out for. Especially trade sites like Goozex. When you've got 2 codes for Dragon Age: Origins that you'd need to pay 15$ for otherwise; or the Cerberus Network for Mass Effect, which is a front end DLC delivery system, also worth 15$.
Goozex needs a specific policy change to address day 1 DLC codes.
I think anyone with any sense can figure out that if it's included in the box, and it's not an advertisement, it's an accessory.
Sorry to say this mate, but you constantly repeating it does not make it truth, Goozex is a USED game trading site, with real humans who will use cool little things like the origami paper and not include them, honestly if you care SO much just but it at retail! or get your whining ass to an art store and spend $4.99 on a pack of origami paper.
a mario kart wheel is an accessory, the maps, paper etc are a bonus.
missing included accessories.
Not to side either way here, but
my favorite part is where you completely ignored his argument and went on to call the origami paper an accessory anyway. as in required for gameplay.
To me this is an acceptable thing to be arguing over, as it is certainly a large grey area. The best solution imho is that Goozex needs to have a distinct policy ASAP and until then everyone is more vigilant about posting (and reading) descriptions of what exactly is in their "Full Package."
It's in the post directly above yours! Why would a 'Day 1' code be different from any other?
I posted that in regards to the poster above you. You and I are in agreement.
The expectation of DLC codes is fairly clear from Goozex, but it's going to get interesting to see how traders react to publishers like EA putting such weight to day 1 content as a guarantee. Certainly affects the point values for games as the New DLC concept becomes more common.
I think anyone with any sense can figure out that if it's included in the box, and it's not an advertisement, it's an accessory.
Sorry to say this mate, but you constantly repeating it does not make it truth, Goozex is a USED game trading site, with real humans who will use cool little things like the origami paper and not include them, honestly if you care SO much just but it at retail! or get your whining ass to an art store and spend $4.99 on a pack of origami paper.
a mario kart wheel is an accessory, the maps, paper etc are a bonus.
missing included accessories.
Not to side either way here, but
my favorite part is where you completely ignored his argument and went on to call the origami paper an accessory anyway. as in required for gameplay.
To me this is an acceptable thing to be arguing over, as it is certainly a large grey area. The best solution imho is that Goozex needs to have a distinct policy ASAP and until then everyone is more vigilant about posting (and reading) descriptions of what exactly is in their "Full Package."
His argument was that items such as the Origami paper are bonuses, and shouldn't be expected to come with the product. I disagreed.
Where did he say that accessory meant required for gameplay? The origami paper isn't required, but for a few minutes it certainly accentuates the gameplay.
And again: Yes, very gray area. But this is a unique case, and a policy change regarding something as minute as a piece of paper in a game case isn't necessary. As I said, people just need to communicate with the real people on the other end of the trade; they're fairly understanding folks.
I think anyone with any sense can figure out that if it's included in the box, and it's not an advertisement, it's an accessory.
Sorry to say this mate, but you constantly repeating it does not make it truth, Goozex is a USED game trading site, with real humans who will use cool little things like the origami paper and not include them, honestly if you care SO much just but it at retail! or get your whining ass to an art store and spend $4.99 on a pack of origami paper.
Send/Receive Full Package (Disc + Manual/Insert + Case) , this is all you should expect, a mario kart wheel is an accessory, the maps, paper etc are a bonus.
He was making a valid point, and was coming off as far less of an ass than you were. Also, games are often received new. Predominately used trades take place, but not always.
To your point, if these real humans are going to use these cool little things, they should then label their game as such: a package that is missing included accessories. If it isn't a full package, it's not a fucking full package. Brutally simple concept.
If it gets to a point that the people trading this shit are angry that they were docked down to neutral points for making the mistake, they should do PM's with the recipient of the game. People who use Goozex are fair, intelligent humans; they'd more than likely bring the trader back to a +5 positive.
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Pancake, the point, which was made by you is that goozex is a Predominately used market if you get a new shrink wrapped copy then great, but mostly what you'll get is a gently used copy of the game, I agree about the EA DLC codes being important, but as others have said if it is that important to you, JUST BUY IT DAY 1,which is the point of the marketing, not expect it from a trade!
Just because it comes in the package it is a privilege for the original buyer as to whether or not to use it, keep it or give it away, and just to address being an ass, hell yes I'll be an ass to someone who will just keep repeating themselves in the hope that repetition will validate there position on the issue.
I love how some people don't understand that the people who trade games on Goozex aren't the kind of people that want to buy games on day one.
Also, mentioning the shrinkwrap only makes you look retarded.
And stop liming yourselves.
Magna Carta II is on Goozex, you just have to search for "magnacarta" (without a space) instead of "magna carta".
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I don't think we can argue that sending the origami paper already folded and completed wouldn't still fulfill your requirements of "full package."
I think that would be high-larious.
This whole argument stemmed from a stupid thread on the Goozex forum where someone was simply wondering about the piece of paper. I really doubt someone would lower the feedback score when it actually came down to it.
I love how some people don't understand that the people who trade games on Goozex are the kind of people that need to buy games on day one (if they want special stuff).
Also, repeating yourself only makes you look retarded.
When you are shipping a game, it can be in three conditions:
Full Package: Item shipped must include ALL original content that was present at the time of original purchase. Disc & Manual: Item shipped must include disc(s) & manual, and all original content that affects the playability of the game. Case is optional. Disc Only: Item shipped must include the disc(s), and all original content that affects the playability of the game. Case & manual are optional.
But what is original content? Argue argue, blah blah blah IT SAYS RIGHT HERE.
Original Content: The content that was present at the time of original purchase (not at the time of resale). This includes any/all of the following that apply to that specific title (verify with UPC), and more:
Discs/Cartridge
Manuals
Case
Inserts
Information Sleeves
Figurines
Trading Cards
Collector's Items
Bonus Physical Content (Non-Digital)
In other words, if it was in the box when you bought the item, it needs to go BACK in the box when you send it "Full Package". PERIOD. This is not an argument, it's right there on the Goozex site. If it's missing stuff, but you think it's stuff that's not necessary for the game, IT'S NOT FULL PACKAGE, IT'S DISC + MANUAL. According to Goozex, if you don't send that stuff in, people are justified in leaving neutral feedback if you listed it as Full Package. End of story.
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And I am justified in sending you an already folded up piece of origami paper. Don't you see the irony here?
Getting bent out of shape because a "one time use" item is missing from the game is retarded, since they could send you a folded up crane and you wouldn't be able to complain, even though that is just as useless as not sending the origami at all.
Edit: And this "Silly Goose" thing is stupid. It has become a way for people to throw insults at each other in a discussion and avoid an infraction. It's like saying "The N Word." I know you meant "nigger," but you said "The N Word" so it's supposed to be okay.
If a special edition contains candy and I eat it, should I send in the wrapper or the feces containing the candy?
No. You should list it as 'Disc and Manual' and keep your poop to yourself. That or list full package and check that the receiver is okay without his candy before you accept the match.
I fail to see how this could cause such debate. The site has clearly stated rules combined with the facility to negotiate before match up if you feel you have a border case.
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I think it's pretty trivial to be upset over it not being included if you already know that, hey, it's just a piece of paper
On the other hand, opening up Heavy Rain and getting to the install screen and seeing that?
That was so awesome
Dang, cause it started at 600 and I had 0 points and was 2nd. Then I actually bought the game at a store so I took it off my requests list at 650. Crazy.
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If it's that big of a deal to have something like origami, just fucking buy the game retail and STFU. Caveat Emptor.
If there are two, then I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the origami in the "full package" option.
If "full package" applies to just disc and manual, then maybe it's a bit silly.
Stuff like this is why I always list everything I have as disc only.
What the hell else would it refer to?
It helps out a lot, since my vote counts as two.
I've had 1800 points for months, but I have no idea what to use them on. Seems I buy every new release I'm interested in.
Is Silent Hill: Shattered Memories worth the 1000 points? Seems like I'll be able to find it cheap elsewhere soon enough.
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The actual box itself. Am I supposed to include the other things? Like advertising filler? Like registration cards? If the point is to trade retail copies, then why not just purchase a shrink wrapped retail copy?
Which brings up another point; should a "full package" include the shrink wrap? It was part of the original package!
Yes. In this case if were you matched you should definately expect all the extra crap. Whether you expect anyone to ever actually put that up for trade is another matter. That's the whole point of having the collector's edition as a seperate listing.
Sorry to say this mate, but you constantly repeating it does not make it truth, Goozex is a USED game trading site, with real humans who will use cool little things like the origami paper and not include them, honestly if you care SO much just but it at retail! or get your whining ass to an art store and spend $4.99 on a pack of origami paper.
Send/Receive Full Package (Disc + Manual/Insert + Case) , this is all you should expect, a mario kart wheel is an accessory, the maps, paper etc are a bonus.
He was making a valid point, and was coming off as far less of an ass than you were. Also, games are often received new. Predominately used trades take place, but not always.
To your point, if these real humans are going to use these cool little things, they should then label their game as such: a package that is missing included accessories. If it isn't a full package, it's not a fucking full package. Brutally simple concept.
If it gets to a point that the people trading this shit are angry that they were docked down to neutral points for making the mistake, they should do PM's with the recipient of the game. People who use Goozex are fair, intelligent humans; they'd more than likely bring the trader back to a +5 positive.
shit'sstupid
Stuff like DLC codes are still a valid point, though. Technically, one could consider an unused DLC code as part of a full package, as it's part of the game that's included in the box. However, the entire reason the damn things are usually included is to try to limit used game sales. If you buy a used game anywhere other than Goozex (eBay/Half, Amazon, local EB/GS, your pal, etc), I can't imagine you'd expect the one-time use DLC code to be included unless explicitly stated in the description. Why should Goozex be any different?
EA's new policy of including day one, fairly significant codes in their packages is something people need to look out for. Especially trade sites like Goozex. When you've got 2 codes for Dragon Age: Origins that you'd need to pay 15$ for otherwise; or the Cerberus Network for Mass Effect, which is a front end DLC delivery system, also worth 15$.
Goozex needs a specific policy change to address day 1 DLC codes.
my favorite part is where you completely ignored his argument and went on to call the origami paper an accessory anyway. as in required for gameplay.
To me this is an acceptable thing to be arguing over, as it is certainly a large grey area. The best solution imho is that Goozex needs to have a distinct policy ASAP and until then everyone is more vigilant about posting (and reading) descriptions of what exactly is in their "Full Package."
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I posted that in regards to the poster above you. You and I are in agreement.
The expectation of DLC codes is fairly clear from Goozex, but it's going to get interesting to see how traders react to publishers like EA putting such weight to day 1 content as a guarantee. Certainly affects the point values for games as the New DLC concept becomes more common.
His argument was that items such as the Origami paper are bonuses, and shouldn't be expected to come with the product. I disagreed.
Where did he say that accessory meant required for gameplay? The origami paper isn't required, but for a few minutes it certainly accentuates the gameplay.
And again: Yes, very gray area. But this is a unique case, and a policy change regarding something as minute as a piece of paper in a game case isn't necessary. As I said, people just need to communicate with the real people on the other end of the trade; they're fairly understanding folks.
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Pancake, the point, which was made by you is that goozex is a Predominately used market if you get a new shrink wrapped copy then great, but mostly what you'll get is a gently used copy of the game, I agree about the EA DLC codes being important, but as others have said if it is that important to you, JUST BUY IT DAY 1,which is the point of the marketing, not expect it from a trade!
Just because it comes in the package it is a privilege for the original buyer as to whether or not to use it, keep it or give it away, and just to address being an ass, hell yes I'll be an ass to someone who will just keep repeating themselves in the hope that repetition will validate there position on the issue.
Also, mentioning the shrinkwrap only makes you look retarded.
And stop liming yourselves.
Magna Carta II is on Goozex, you just have to search for "magnacarta" (without a space) instead of "magna carta".
I think that would be high-larious.
This whole argument stemmed from a stupid thread on the Goozex forum where someone was simply wondering about the piece of paper. I really doubt someone would lower the feedback score when it actually came down to it.
Without the space? Weird. The original one you can look up with the space.
fixed.
First in line, but nobody is offering the game currently. Dang.
If any of you want to get 450 points, Metal Gear Solid 4 will likely match us pretty quickly.
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I mentioned the shrink-wrap as a joke because that would be retarded. Much like expecting the origami paper.
But hey, who cares?
When you are shipping a game, it can be in three conditions:
But what is original content? Argue argue, blah blah blah IT SAYS RIGHT HERE.
In other words, if it was in the box when you bought the item, it needs to go BACK in the box when you send it "Full Package". PERIOD. This is not an argument, it's right there on the Goozex site. If it's missing stuff, but you think it's stuff that's not necessary for the game, IT'S NOT FULL PACKAGE, IT'S DISC + MANUAL. According to Goozex, if you don't send that stuff in, people are justified in leaving neutral feedback if you listed it as Full Package. End of story.
Getting bent out of shape because a "one time use" item is missing from the game is retarded, since they could send you a folded up crane and you wouldn't be able to complain, even though that is just as useless as not sending the origami at all.
Edit: And this "Silly Goose" thing is stupid. It has become a way for people to throw insults at each other in a discussion and avoid an infraction. It's like saying "The N Word." I know you meant "nigger," but you said "The N Word" so it's supposed to be okay.
I was actually just gonna say this.
Imp with the amount of dumb things you say on accident, you should probably try to avoid saying them on purpose.
No. You should list it as 'Disc and Manual' and keep your poop to yourself. That or list full package and check that the receiver is okay without his candy before you accept the match.
I fail to see how this could cause such debate. The site has clearly stated rules combined with the facility to negotiate before match up if you feel you have a border case.