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The Martin Jetpack

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  • Andrew_JayAndrew_Jay Registered User
    edited March 2010
    New Zealand: flightless birds, flightful men.

  • PerpetualPerpetual Registered User
    edited March 2010
    If we start pouring funds into this thing, how long will it take before it becomes efficient and cheap enough to be an alternative to cars?

  • LavaKnightLavaKnight Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    LavaKnight wrote: »
    I would fly this to work. It's only a couple miles away, so if the cops tried to catch me I'd just jetpack away.

    Although being the only person in town who owns a jetpack would be pretty suspicious.

    Edit: God, I'm envisioning jetpacking off the roof of my building and landing on the roof of my work every day and it's making me absolutely giddy.

    I envision you getting caught in power lines and me stealing your jet pack and washing your charred corpse off it in my garage.

    Then I envision myself coming back to life with through the magical powers of the jet pack which births a second jetpack that I'll use to fly around with you as jetpack buddies!

    See! There's nothing jetpacks can't do!

  • ProPatriaMoriProPatriaMori Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Khavall wrote: »
    Not a jetpack.

    No, seriously. Them there's ducted fans. Also it's not what even the most diehard campers or soldiers would consider a pack.

    The big catch is that it's going to be loud as all fuck. Not as loud as a genuine jetpack probably would be, but still really shockingly goddamn loud. I wouldn't want to operate it in a parking lot where people weren't routinely wearing ear protection.

    Are you actually being snobbish about a motherfucking jetpack?

    I'm an aerospace engineer. So yes. Like someone else said, it really is a personal helicopter, along with all that entails. The appeal of the jetpack is that you can fly from A to B, where A and B are the places you want to be rather than cleared landing zones. You really don't want to do that with this monstrosity--you generally will want to put it in the same places you do helicopters.

    Their page on why they think they should be able to call those ducted fans jets is bunk too, and they know it, which is why they explode the definitions of every other jet engine in service today. What we refer to as jet engines compress an air stream, ignite fuel in that stream, and draw power off that stream with a turbine to drive the compressor. This engine on this thing is a Martin-developed 2 litre V4 ICE...huh, it's a two-stroke, even.

    Not saying I wouldn't want to fly one, because helicopters are lots of fun to fly, but I'd be awfully glad the ballistic chute is there.

  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA
    edited March 2010
    Khavall wrote: »
    Not a jetpack.

    No, seriously. Them there's ducted fans. Also it's not what even the most diehard campers or soldiers would consider a pack.

    The big catch is that it's going to be loud as all fuck. Not as loud as a genuine jetpack probably would be, but still really shockingly goddamn loud. I wouldn't want to operate it in a parking lot where people weren't routinely wearing ear protection.

    Are you actually being snobbish about a motherfucking jetpack?

    I'm an aerospace engineer. So yes. Like someone else said, it really is a personal helicopter, along with all that entails. The appeal of the jetpack is that you can fly from A to B, where A and B are the places you want to be rather than cleared landing zones. You really don't want to do that with this monstrosity--you generally will want to put it in the same places you do helicopters.

    Their page on why they think they should be able to call those ducted fans jets is bunk too, and they know it, which is why they explode the definitions of every other jet engine in service today. What we refer to as jet engines compress an air stream, ignite fuel in that stream, and draw power off that stream with a turbine to drive the compressor. This engine on this thing is a Martin-developed 2 litre V4 ICE...huh, it's a two-stroke, even.

    Not saying I wouldn't want to fly one, because helicopters are lots of fun to fly, but I'd be awfully glad the ballistic chute is there.

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  • LavaKnightLavaKnight Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Yes, I was just going to say: Awwwwww! :(

  • RandomEngyRandomEngy Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Yes, it's just like flying a helicopter. Except the blades are small and enclosed. And there's no tail rotor to get caught on stuff. And you need a lot less room to take off and land. And it's strapped to your back.

    And I guess we're not allowed to be excited about it, because what fun is there in flying around if you can't ignite fuel in an air stream?

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  • ueanuean Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    What I want to know is how long until this thing hits the porn industry.

    Guys? Hay guys?
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  • JokermanJokerman Mr Jellybean Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Khavall wrote: »
    Not a jetpack.

    No, seriously. Them there's ducted fans. Also it's not what even the most diehard campers or soldiers would consider a pack.

    The big catch is that it's going to be loud as all fuck. Not as loud as a genuine jetpack probably would be, but still really shockingly goddamn loud. I wouldn't want to operate it in a parking lot where people weren't routinely wearing ear protection.

    Are you actually being snobbish about a motherfucking jetpack?

    I'm an aerospace engineer. So yes. Like someone else said, it really is a personal helicopter, along with all that entails. The appeal of the jetpack is that you can fly from A to B, where A and B are the places you want to be rather than cleared landing zones. You really don't want to do that with this monstrosity--you generally will want to put it in the same places you do helicopters.

    Their page on why they think they should be able to call those ducted fans jets is bunk too, and they know it, which is why they explode the definitions of every other jet engine in service today. What we refer to as jet engines compress an air stream, ignite fuel in that stream, and draw power off that stream with a turbine to drive the compressor. This engine on this thing is a Martin-developed 2 litre V4 ICE...huh, it's a two-stroke, even.

    Not saying I wouldn't want to fly one, because helicopters are lots of fun to fly, but I'd be awfully glad the ballistic chute is there.

    So are you upset about Jetski's?

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  • Stabbity StyleStabbity Style Walla Walla, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    uean wrote: »
    What I want to know is how long until this thing hits the porn industry.

    That would be amazing.

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Jokerman wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    Not a jetpack.

    No, seriously. Them there's ducted fans. Also it's not what even the most diehard campers or soldiers would consider a pack.

    The big catch is that it's going to be loud as all fuck. Not as loud as a genuine jetpack probably would be, but still really shockingly goddamn loud. I wouldn't want to operate it in a parking lot where people weren't routinely wearing ear protection.

    Are you actually being snobbish about a motherfucking jetpack?

    I'm an aerospace engineer. So yes. Like someone else said, it really is a personal helicopter, along with all that entails. The appeal of the jetpack is that you can fly from A to B, where A and B are the places you want to be rather than cleared landing zones. You really don't want to do that with this monstrosity--you generally will want to put it in the same places you do helicopters.

    Their page on why they think they should be able to call those ducted fans jets is bunk too, and they know it, which is why they explode the definitions of every other jet engine in service today. What we refer to as jet engines compress an air stream, ignite fuel in that stream, and draw power off that stream with a turbine to drive the compressor. This engine on this thing is a Martin-developed 2 litre V4 ICE...huh, it's a two-stroke, even.

    Not saying I wouldn't want to fly one, because helicopters are lots of fun to fly, but I'd be awfully glad the ballistic chute is there.

    So are you upset about Jetski's?

    what about jet li

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  • ANTVGM64ANTVGM64 Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    i dunno, I think Jetpack is one of those words that encompasses a device outside of what it does. For example, the jetpacks and Jetcars in the Jetsons appear to run on some sort of matter/antimatter/magnetic kind of thing, and I'd call those jetpacks.

  • theSquidtheSquid Sydney, AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Hah. The things people come up with to get out of New Zealand.

    Gonna have to do a lot better than 30 miles, buddy.

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  • Pi-r8Pi-r8 Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    $75,000..... or free when stolen

    Seriously, if you get one of these, you should probably hide it
    If someone did steal it, it wouldn't be that hard to track it. I mean, how many people, really, are flying around in one of these?

  • Zilla360Zilla360 Spaaaace! In Space.Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Pi-r8 wrote: »
    $75,000..... or free when stolen

    Seriously, if you get one of these, you should probably hide it
    If someone did steal it, it wouldn't be that hard to track it. I mean, how many people, really, are flying around in one of these?
    Chuck Norris?

  • Metal Gear Solid 2 DemoMetal Gear Solid 2 Demo Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    RandomEngy wrote: »
    Yes, it's just like flying a helicopter. Except the blades are small and enclosed. And there's no tail rotor to get caught on stuff. And you need a lot less room to take off and land. And it's strapped to your back.

    And I guess we're not allowed to be excited about it, because what fun is there in flying around if you can't ignite fuel in an air stream?

    It's similar to looking at an 18-wheeler and raving about it like it's a supercar

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  • RandomEngyRandomEngy Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    No, it's not actually that similar.

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  • ArrathArrath Registered User
    edited March 2010
    Just show me where I sign, glorious Kiwi inventor guy.

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  • ChillyWillyChillyWilly Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    shryke wrote: »
    urban ursine bombardment.

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    edited March 2010
    shryke wrote: »
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  • Raybies666Raybies666 I can't believe there were 665 raybies here before meRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    RandomEngy wrote: »
    Yes, it's just like flying a helicopter. Except the blades are small and enclosed. And there's no tail rotor to get caught on stuff. And you need a lot less room to take off and land. And it's strapped to your back.

    And I guess we're not allowed to be excited about it, because what fun is there in flying around if you can't ignite fuel in an air stream?

    It's similar to looking at an 18-wheeler and raving about it like it's a supercar

    It's more similar to looking at a personal flying device and raving like its something you put on and then fly by yourself for 30 minutes, while accusing you of being a communist because you're not as excited as us. Communist.


    Just for that, I'm going to win the Lotto, get a team of these and fly over your house screaming " IT'S A JETPACK! IT'S A JETPACK!" through megaphones in formation with 10 other guys. And a stereo blaring "Ride of the Valkries". :P


    Or we'll just find a sky scraper and buzz people on the 35th floor. I think everyone in the thread could get behind that.

    In a world.....
  • JokermanJokerman Mr Jellybean Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Shit! No one tell Jack Thompson!
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  • electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    OH MY GOD.

    I did not know this thing was so awesome.

    It is so awesome.

    I want one. I WANT ONE SO MUCH. Of course I'd be too scared to fly it because frankly, I'm scared of horrifically injuring myself by falling from a height. And imminent, immediate death.

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  • Typhoid MannyTyphoid Manny Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    very high on the list of acceptable ways to die is "killed in a horrendous jetpack accident"

    see, you can tell it's okay because it has the word jetpack

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  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks License Number 137596Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I don't care if it's not a real "Jetpack", it's still awesome and I want one.

    "Actual" Jetpacks (as seen in comics, cartoons, movies, etc) are actually pretty retarded. One wrong move and you light your ass on fire.

  • nervenerve Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I hope there will be companies that rent this shit out like jetskis and hot air balloons

  • ProPatriaMoriProPatriaMori Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    RandomEngy wrote: »
    Yes, it's just like flying a helicopter. Except the blades are small and enclosed. And there's no tail rotor to get caught on stuff. And you need a lot less room to take off and land. And it's strapped to your back.

    And I guess we're not allowed to be excited about it, because what fun is there in flying around if you can't ignite fuel in an air stream?

    I don't understand this memetic on this board, even though I've seen it a lot. I haven't asked or demanded that anyone not be excited. I ventured my feelings and professional opinion, as is common on internet bulletin boards. I even said it would be fun to fly. Why do you feel the need to act like I said something entirely opposite?

    I still think your characterization is wrong. This thing is not strapped to your back--you are not supporting it, as one would some form of pack. You are strapped to the outside of it, and it is supporting you. It has an inbuilt sort of roll-cage+landing skid arrangement, not to mention a big goddamn 200hp engine on it to fall on if you tailstrike it. Contrarotation to replace the tail rotor isn't exactly unheard of in the helicopter world, nor is the ducted fan. It's doesn't seem to be getting lift from surfaces other than the fans, so helicopter seems like a pretty accurate characterization.

    All I'm trying to say is that the hype for this is kind of like the hype for the Moller Skycar, except I think Martin actually intends to build and sell these to someone other than popular mechanics. In the end what you're getting doesn't really seem to fit the spirit of what's advertised. Again, this would be a fun fucking ultralight helicopter to fly, and it even offers some advantages over its Kiwi brother the Mosquito ultralight helicopter, but good luck getting permission to land it at the office or your grocery store. Or using it to fight Nazis, I guess.

  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks License Number 137596Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    ...but good luck getting permission to land it at the office or your grocery store. Or using it to fight Nazis, I guess.

    How exactly does this work with ultralight aircraft? I don't really know anything other than they don't require a pilot's license, but do you still have to "radio in" and report where you are headed to the FAA? Do you have to file flight plans, or whatever?

    My assumption is that craft like these just aren't capable of flying high enough to really interfere with any sort of standard commercial or recreation aircraft, but that seems like it would change if you were buzzing around near an airport or something.

    Basically, what's stopping a dude from taking off from his driveway, landing at his employer's parking lot ten miles away, putting in his eight hours, and then flying home? I don't understand why you would need permission to land in a commercial parking lot - last time I checked, my local grocery store didn't have an ATC tower.

    So basically, anyone with flight experience, how exactly does flying an aircraft like this differ from something larger?

  • AdrienAdrien Registered User
    edited March 2010
    FAA wrote:
    No person may operate an ultralight vehicle over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons.

    No person may operate an ultralight vehicle within Class A, Class B, Class C, or Class D airspace or within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport unless that person has prior authorization from the ATC facility having jurisdiction over that airspace.

    And yeah, it's essentially this with a smaller form factor.
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    Don't get me wrong, a smaller form factor does make it exponentially cooler.

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  • Erich ZahnErich Zahn Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Jokerman wrote: »
    are you kidding? A jet pack? In columbus? The fucking army would have every gun in the world tracked on you like you were osama bin laden.

    You have now sold me on jet-pack ownership.

    Now all the only things we need to officially live in the future are aerosolized gene-fixing and zeppelins.

  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks License Number 137596Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Adrien wrote: »
    FAA wrote:
    No person may operate an ultralight vehicle over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons.

    No person may operate an ultralight vehicle within Class A, Class B, Class C, or Class D airspace or within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport unless that person has prior authorization from the ATC facility having jurisdiction over that airspace.

    And yeah, it's essentially this with a smaller form factor.
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    Don't get me wrong, a smaller form factor does make it exponentially cooler.

    How do they define "congested"?

  • GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    theSquid wrote: »
    Hah. The things people come up with to get out of New Zealand.

    Gonna have to do a lot better than 30 miles, buddy.

    This had me laughing way too hard.


    Stop by Toronto sometime and i'll buy you a beer at the bar of your choosing.

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  • ProPatriaMoriProPatriaMori Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    ...but good luck getting permission to land it at the office or your grocery store. Or using it to fight Nazis, I guess.

    How exactly does this work with ultralight aircraft? I don't really know anything other than they don't require a pilot's license, but do you still have to "radio in" and report where you are headed to the FAA? Do you have to file flight plans, or whatever?

    My assumption is that craft like these just aren't capable of flying high enough to really interfere with any sort of standard commercial or recreation aircraft, but that seems like it would change if you were buzzing around near an airport or something.

    Basically, what's stopping a dude from taking off from his driveway, landing at his employer's parking lot ten miles away, putting in his eight hours, and then flying home? I don't understand why you would need permission to land in a commercial parking lot - last time I checked, my local grocery store didn't have an ATC tower.

    So basically, anyone with flight experience, how exactly does flying an aircraft like this differ from something larger?

    Well, helicopters in general basically just need permission to land somewhere to do so legally (note that I'm not saying safely). The rules for this are going to work much the same way, with some additional exceptions because the FAA considers it an ultralight (which, by the way, is kind of a silly class especially when you look at some of things foreign countries include that we don't).

    Adrien quoted some FAA regs, which are in CFR 14. Note that the vast majority of those regulations have nothing to do with pilot safety and everything to do with the safety of passengers or bystanders. The FAA doesn't usually care about the idiot flying, just the people that trust that idiot not to hurt them. So they'd prefer the ultralights stay away from things like football stadiums or office buildings or grocery stores. Generally. Because they don't want the other flying lawnmowers certified under 103 landing on peoples' heads or cars or houses.

    By the way, radios are only compulsory for operation within certain airspace even in larger aircraft. It's actually a common point of contention among fixed wing pilots when the low-and-slow guys cross the path of the dentists in their brand new Cirruses. There are lots of airports where you don't actually have to talk to anyone to go in and out, though at many of those folks would prefer that you did just so they have an idea of where to look for you and avoid hitting you. Personally, I prefer to overuse the radio.

  • SithDrummerSithDrummer Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Fuck yes. I'm going out on Halloween 2012 as Cliff Secord.

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  • BubbaTBubbaT Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I don't care if it's not a real "Jetpack", it's still awesome and I want one.

    "Actual" Jetpacks (as seen in comics, cartoons, movies, etc) are actually pretty retarded. One fart and you light your ass on fire.

  • WoodroezWoodroez Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Spoiler:

    How exactly does this work with ultralight aircraft? I don't really know anything other than they don't require a pilot's license, but do you still have to "radio in" and report where you are headed to the FAA? Do you have to file flight plans, or whatever?

    My assumption is that craft like these just aren't capable of flying high enough to really interfere with any sort of standard commercial or recreation aircraft, but that seems like it would change if you were buzzing around near an airport or something.

    Basically, what's stopping a dude from taking off from his driveway, landing at his employer's parking lot ten miles away, putting in his eight hours, and then flying home? I don't understand why you would need permission to land in a commercial parking lot - last time I checked, my local grocery store didn't have an ATC tower.

    So basically, anyone with flight experience, how exactly does flying an aircraft like this differ from something larger?

    Well, helicopters in general basically just need permission to land somewhere to do so legally (note that I'm not saying safely). The rules for this are going to work much the same way, with some additional exceptions because the FAA considers it an ultralight (which, by the way, is kind of a silly class especially when you look at some of things foreign countries include that we don't).

    Adrien quoted some FAA regs, which are in CFR 14. Note that the vast majority of those regulations have nothing to do with pilot safety and everything to do with the safety of passengers or bystanders. The FAA doesn't usually care about the idiot flying, just the people that trust that idiot not to hurt them. So they'd prefer the ultralights stay away from things like football stadiums or office buildings or grocery stores. Generally. Because they don't want the other flying lawnmowers certified under 103 landing on peoples' heads or cars or houses.

    By the way, radios are only compulsory for operation within certain airspace even in larger aircraft. It's actually a common point of contention among fixed wing pilots when the low-and-slow guys cross the path of the dentists in their brand new Cirruses. There are lots of airports where you don't actually have to talk to anyone to go in and out, though at many of those folks would prefer that you did just so they have an idea of where to look for you and avoid hitting you. Personally, I prefer to overuse the radio.

    So this is essentially the airborne equivalent of an ATV? A sport one at that, since it couldn't really be used for towing.

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  • Stabbity StyleStabbity Style Walla Walla, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Guys.


    Jetpack races.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2010
    Guys.


    Jetpack races.

    Firefighters on jetpacks.

  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Austin, TXRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Guys.


    Jetpack races.

    Firefighters on jetpacks.

    Waitresses on jetpacks.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Guys.


    Jetpack races.

    Firefighters on jetpacks.

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