Morninglord: How could you possibly defend that paper though? There is very little archeologicial evidense on the subject what what little there is seems (from everything I have read) to show no discontinuities. There are times when the pace of change seems to be very slow (almost none for hundreds of thousands of years) and times when the pace of change seems to be very fast but not a discontinuity. Just a faster pace.
Course it's damn hard to infer anything about psychology from the subset of tools that survive plus the few intact skulls that show some impressions of what the brain was like.
But again, the evidense that I have seen related to his case seems to be either non-existant or against him.
There's two different discontinuities.
One is a slice across time. Take animals now. Right now. Take humans now. Right now. Compare them. You see a huge functional difference.
Second discontinuity.
Across timespans. To say there is this second discontinuity is to say humans did not evolve their better reasoning from animals
He's saying the first one. He's not saying the second one.
Aaaah. Ok. That makes more sense.
But also kind of ... trivial. Because I bet you could find a huge number of discontinuities between different species as they are right now. And only looking at one slice of time means what he is talking about is completely unlrelated to evolution.
EG: Compare how one of the great apes interacts with a mirror over time compared to any other animal. There are tons of such discontinuities between contemporary species.
while this is true, there is a much larger jump between humans and nonhumans than the discontinuities seen between other species.
so it's like, there's all these little doggies and kittens all playing around being smarter than each other in their little animal ways but if you put a human in the picture, even by age 5, we are like a big einstein godzilla combination wrecking up the places with our intelligences.
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Hell, you could argue there is such a "discontinuity" between animals that have binocular vision and those who do not. wooooo, we have a visual system that can reconstruct 3d images out of two offset 2d inputs and most birds and lizards don't. DISCONTINUITY!
That's why I'm glad I don't play bc2 on the pc. Yesterday pancake was whining about alternative strats for blowing up mcoms as they "take away the fun" and I'm like "Man if I'm winning I have fucking fun".
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I had a dog that used to bark at you when you sneezed, when you got a cold he was obnoxious.
My dog is fascinated with sneezes. If you sneeze, he runs up to you no matter where he was or what he was doing and sticks his nose right in your face. Like smelling it will reveal the mystery of sneezing. It's pretty adorable.
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Hell, you could argue there is such a "discontinuity" between animals that have binocular vision and those who do not. wooooo, we have a visual system that can reconstruct 3d images out of two offset 2d inputs and most birds and lizards don't. DISCONTINUITY!
yes, you could. and then serious people would go out and run experiments and work out how this may have evolved and why it is so.
this is what he is trying to do for intelligence.
it's not just that he's saying woo discontinuity.
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while this is true, there is a much larger jump between humans and nonhumans than the discontinuities seen between other species.
so it's like, there's all these little doggies and kittens all playing around being smarter than each other in their little animal ways but if you put a human in the picture, even by age 5, we are like a big einstein godzilla combination wrecking up the places with our intelligences.
Well, yeah, no question there. Though I think there's a good case to be made that a human today is not all that much smarter than one 100,000 years ago which isn't much smarter than a Neanderthal (ok, so we are not directly related to them, we both evolved from a common ancestor further back, but they are the most successful of the archaic humans), which aren't much smarter than a homo erectus etc...
If there is a jump it would be between homo erectus and hablis IMO. And even then it's a matter of degree.
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Klykka actually, creepy sig man makes up for it.
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Tell that man I love him very much.
God does Warcry whine.
It's Klyka over in G&T.
But man, I'd pay for a weekly Tube Reading His Inbox movie.
while this is true, there is a much larger jump between humans and nonhumans than the discontinuities seen between other species.
so it's like, there's all these little doggies and kittens all playing around being smarter than each other in their little animal ways but if you put a human in the picture, even by age 5, we are like a big einstein godzilla combination wrecking up the places with our intelligences.
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yeah that's my major beef.
he's made a good analysis, but his solution is really just a reexplanation of the problem rather than a solution.
And we just put an offer on a house that just went on the market.
I just want my house to be sold now so I don't need to keep everything as neat and tidy as possible.
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I was tempted to ask Tube if we could have a 360 only thread for BC2. But then I'd have to leave some good PC folks behind.
But seriously. That thread was fucking ridiculous for 30 or so pages.
It was the PC equivalent to Final Destination, Mario vs Mario, No Items.
And 15 pages of people complaining about Flippy.
My dog is fascinated with sneezes. If you sneeze, he runs up to you no matter where he was or what he was doing and sticks his nose right in your face. Like smelling it will reveal the mystery of sneezing. It's pretty adorable.
A few hours ago I shot Flippy in the head several times. :^:
does flippy's cranium-ventilating reign of terror hold sway there, too
yes, you could. and then serious people would go out and run experiments and work out how this may have evolved and why it is so.
this is what he is trying to do for intelligence.
it's not just that he's saying woo discontinuity.
He seems to be playing Assault a lot.
'course, you can get headshots with all weapons in BC2. I have about 25% headshots with my kills with the Abakan. I that rifle.
Is this what aspergers is like with an accent?
Edit: Oh my god, read the title of the video.
Well, yeah, no question there. Though I think there's a good case to be made that a human today is not all that much smarter than one 100,000 years ago which isn't much smarter than a Neanderthal (ok, so we are not directly related to them, we both evolved from a common ancestor further back, but they are the most successful of the archaic humans), which aren't much smarter than a homo erectus etc...
If there is a jump it would be between homo erectus and hablis IMO. And even then it's a matter of degree.
The user Klyka.
He's reading posts of Warcry, who is Australian.
Well in a way it is.