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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Podly wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Hachface wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Hell, I don't like Sartre all that much.

    :(

    Existentialism is anti-humanism.

    Why?

    because if existentialism could be roped into a single belief, it's that we are existential beings (dasein, in my preferred terminology) that is pure possibility and utter nothingness. Thus, to align oneself with humanism, which has a whole slew of beliefs, even if it is the mere statement "I am human" is an anathema to an existentialist.

    i thought that the sole common belief of "existentialism" was that the experience of personal existence is directly unknowable to others.

    that doesn't preclude the possibility of empathy or sympathy or humanism i wouldn't think

    It leads to all beings as completely unknowable isolated entities in and of themselves. Nothing more. Nothing less.

    Which leads to empathetic and humanistic complications.

    This is completely wrong, at least wrt to actual existentialism, i.e., Heidegger.

    Dasein finds itself with worldhood already disclosed -- it is impossible not to know a common world. The Other is completely knowable, because it is merely nothingness existing-towards worldhood. It is only cartesian egoism that prevents us from knowing other.

    Hm I was under the impression that while there is a known commonality it is ignored because of self importance and actualization since there is nothing else.

    but it has been a while. I ain't done no book learnin' in a year and the last thing I was into was philosophy of law.

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    Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I'm pretty much giving up on making my own mixed drinks. Everything I do is terrible. I even made a terrible tin and gonic!

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    PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Hachface wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »

    This is completely wrong, at least wrt to actual existentialism, i.e., Heidegger.

    Dasein finds itself with worldhood already disclosed -- it is impossible not to know a common world. The Other is completely knowable, because it is merely nothingness existing-towards worldhood. It is only cartesian egoism that prevents us from knowing other.

    doot dee doo

    we are all made of the same energy-matter as everything else. separation from the environment is an illusion. we are the universe understanding itself.

    derp a derp.

    Nah, we ain't no matter. We ain't even a physical process, dogg.

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    LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    _J_ wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Man I thought we had a philosophy thread

    It's nice to know I don't need to visit it to hear all about the seemingly endless supply of fossilized old Marxists who blather out reams of incomprehensible pointlessness about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

    Marx was an economist, not a philosopher.

    Marxist, Nigel, Marxist.

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    JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited April 2010
    Feral wrote: »
    To say "I find this intersection of [class] and [behavior] repulsive, but not [behavior] or [class] in isolation" doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

    This is tantamount to asserting that it's impossible to tolerate something without wishing to experience or partake in it.

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    PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Man I thought we had a philosophy thread

    It's nice to know I don't need to visit it to hear all about the seemingly endless supply of fossilized old Marxists who blather out reams of incomprehensible pointlessness about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

    What do you like to hear about?

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    HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Dammit, Shepard!Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Winky wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Like, for instance, I hate Dennett. I wish he'd never published a word.

    However, I would be incredibly embarrassed if the nyt put out similar obituary for him.

    edit* but you are right -- his defense of de man is probably the worst section in his CV. It is interesting though, since Derrida experienced a great deal of anti-Semitism in his life.

    :x

    Though, let's face it, I like Dennett pretty much specifically because I'm a scientist and not a philosopher.

    What do you like about Dennett?

    Of course, his accessibility is wonderful to me. I'm a fan of his conception of free will, and what he has to say about determinism. He seems to be honestly concerned with inter-relating his ideas with empirical evidence and scientific concepts. I don't know of any other philosopher who has incorporated the concept of evolution into their ideas in a satisfactory way.

    This makes me a sad panda.

    Evolution is all the rage, at least in Anglo-American philosophy. Check out George Lakoff's Philosophy in the Flesh.

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    mynameisguidomynameisguido Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I'm pretty much giving up on making my own mixed drinks. Everything I do is terrible. I even made a terrible tin and gonic!

    It made you drunk though so it served its' purpose.

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    Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Podly wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Man I thought we had a philosophy thread

    It's nice to know I don't need to visit it to hear all about the seemingly endless supply of fossilized old Marxists who blather out reams of incomprehensible pointlessness about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

    What do you like to hear about?

    I get all hot and bothered when you get socratic, Podly.

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    Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited April 2010
    I'm pretty much giving up on making my own mixed drinks. Everything I do is terrible. I even made a terrible tin and gonic!

    you can do it mori!

    it isn't that hard - really. i even learned how!

    it can get kind of expensive once you get into the more fringe cases and stuff, but you should be able to stock a basic bar for pretty cheap.

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    Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Podly wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Man I thought we had a philosophy thread

    It's nice to know I don't need to visit it to hear all about the seemingly endless supply of fossilized old Marxists who blather out reams of incomprehensible pointlessness about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

    What do you like to hear about?

    are you ready for some fooooootbaaaaahhhhlllll

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    Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited April 2010
    jacobkosh wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    To say "I find this intersection of [class] and [behavior] repulsive, but not [behavior] or [class] in isolation" doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

    This is tantamount to asserting that it's impossible to tolerate something without wishing to experience or partake in it.

    you have encapsulated "a day in the life of feral" i think

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    Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Irond Will wrote: »
    I'm pretty much giving up on making my own mixed drinks. Everything I do is terrible. I even made a terrible tin and gonic!

    you can do it mori!

    it isn't that hard - really. i even learned how!

    it can get kind of expensive once you get into the more fringe cases and stuff, but you should be able to stock a basic bar for pretty cheap.

    I'll try again after I visit some bars. I think I need a professional baseline to compare against.

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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Podly wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Man I thought we had a philosophy thread

    It's nice to know I don't need to visit it to hear all about the seemingly endless supply of fossilized old Marxists who blather out reams of incomprehensible pointlessness about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

    What do you like to hear about?

    are you ready for some fooooootbaaaaahhhhlllll

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRuNxHqwazs

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    PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Winky wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Like, for instance, I hate Dennett. I wish he'd never published a word.

    However, I would be incredibly embarrassed if the nyt put out similar obituary for him.

    edit* but you are right -- his defense of de man is probably the worst section in his CV. It is interesting though, since Derrida experienced a great deal of anti-Semitism in his life.

    :x

    Though, let's face it, I like Dennett pretty much specifically because I'm a scientist and not a philosopher.

    What do you like about Dennett?

    Of course, his accessibility is wonderful to me. I'm a fan of his conception of free will, and what he has to say about determinism. He seems to be honestly concerned with inter-relating his ideas with empirical evidence and scientific concepts. I don't know of any other philosopher who has incorporated the concept of evolution into their ideas in a satisfactory way.

    Indeed, it's cool when people use science and philosophy to help their arguments. As I've mentioned before, I love Ted Sider's Four-Dimensionalism for its take on time.

    However, if your philosophy is completely unfounded and unargued, then it doesn't end up doing much. Dennett is that. He is also a sort of pariah because he NEVER addresses any criticism. Like, ever.

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    WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Hachface wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Like, for instance, I hate Dennett. I wish he'd never published a word.

    However, I would be incredibly embarrassed if the nyt put out similar obituary for him.

    edit* but you are right -- his defense of de man is probably the worst section in his CV. It is interesting though, since Derrida experienced a great deal of anti-Semitism in his life.

    :x

    Though, let's face it, I like Dennett pretty much specifically because I'm a scientist and not a philosopher.

    What do you like about Dennett?

    Of course, his accessibility is wonderful to me. I'm a fan of his conception of free will, and what he has to say about determinism. He seems to be honestly concerned with inter-relating his ideas with empirical evidence and scientific concepts. I don't know of any other philosopher who has incorporated the concept of evolution into their ideas in a satisfactory way.

    This makes me a sad panda.

    Evolution is all the rage, at least in Anglo-American philosophy. Check out George Lakoff's Philosophy in the Flesh.

    As it should be. But again, I admit that he's got the only satisfactory incorporation that I know of. Which really really isn't saying much.

    I am, of course, really open to any recommendations.

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    edited April 2010
    Irond Will wrote: »
    i find fat and/ or hairy people naked kind of gross

    though i don't have a problem with them clothed

    I think that most Americans' attitudes towards nudity in particular are shaped by media depictions of nudity; in other words our expectations of what a nude human should look like are based largely around Hollywood and porn.

    So a statement like "I find fat or hairy people kind of gross" is an implicit admission that you're really not comfortable with nudity when it involves actual humans; you're only comfortable with it when it involves media fictions, or with the particular humans who happen to fulfill those fictions.
    Irond Will wrote: »
    i don't like to see other people pooping or, say, vomiting

    even though everyone does it! it is a subset of natural behavior!

    Okay, my entire point is that it's one thing to find a behavior repulsive across all examples of it, it's another to only find it repulsive from a certain class of people. If your thesis is "vomiting is gross," well, okay, vomiting is gross. There's nothing to argue against there. If your thesis is "vomiting is great when skinny people do it, it's only gross when fat people do it," then it's pretty clear to me that you have a stereotypical idea of fat or skinny people.
    Irond Will wrote: »
    i mean at the end of the day, feral, i don't think we have a great deal of control over what we find aesthetically or sexually attractive

    I'm not talking about attraction, I'm talking about repulsion. Those aren't even two sides of a linear spectrum; they're two separate axes entirely. You can be aroused, or repulsed, or neither, or both by a given stimulus.

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    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Podly wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Man I thought we had a philosophy thread

    It's nice to know I don't need to visit it to hear all about the seemingly endless supply of fossilized old Marxists who blather out reams of incomprehensible pointlessness about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

    What do you like to hear about?

    Things other than philosophy.

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    Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited April 2010
    Podly wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    what i am basically saying is that i don't think that there is much legitimacy to tut-tutting people for what they are attracted to, or on the other side of the coin, what they are not attracted to or even repulsed by!

    I am the king of tut-tutting

    i am okay with tut-tutting in general

    just not misdirected tut-tutting

    tut-tutting is not a toy!

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    Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    what i am basically saying is that i don't think that there is much legitimacy to tut-tutting people for what they are attracted to, or on the other side of the coin, what they are not attracted to or even repulsed by!

    I am the king of tut-tutting

    i am okay with tut-tutting in general

    just not misdirected tut-tutting

    tut-tutting is not a toy!

    :lol:

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    _J__J_ Pedant Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2010
    Winky wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    What do you like about Dennett?

    Of course, his accessibility is wonderful to me. I'm a fan of his conception of free will, and what he has to say about determinism.

    You are a fan of compatiblism?!?!?!?

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    PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Man I thought we had a philosophy thread

    It's nice to know I don't need to visit it to hear all about the seemingly endless supply of fossilized old Marxists who blather out reams of incomprehensible pointlessness about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

    What do you like to hear about?

    Things other than philosophy.

    Like what?

    Besides cantankery and the finer aspects of sophomoric blabbering.

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    Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    A tut-tut can change the world!

    But you gotta know your limits with a tut-tut!

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    Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Whenever I look up homemade pornography a part of me eagerly hopes for bronzed adonises making aesthetically pleasing love to their gorgeous girlfriends.

    Instead it's a dude in a For the Horde t-shirt rolled up over his stomach pounding his bored looking girlfriend with burn scars.

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    WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Podly wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Like, for instance, I hate Dennett. I wish he'd never published a word.

    However, I would be incredibly embarrassed if the nyt put out similar obituary for him.

    edit* but you are right -- his defense of de man is probably the worst section in his CV. It is interesting though, since Derrida experienced a great deal of anti-Semitism in his life.

    :x

    Though, let's face it, I like Dennett pretty much specifically because I'm a scientist and not a philosopher.

    What do you like about Dennett?

    Of course, his accessibility is wonderful to me. I'm a fan of his conception of free will, and what he has to say about determinism. He seems to be honestly concerned with inter-relating his ideas with empirical evidence and scientific concepts. I don't know of any other philosopher who has incorporated the concept of evolution into their ideas in a satisfactory way.

    Indeed, it's cool when people use science and philosophy to help their arguments. As I've mentioned before, I love Ted Sider's Four-Dimensionalism for its take on time.

    However, if your philosophy is completely unfounded and unargued, then it doesn't end up doing much. Dennett is that. He is also a sort of pariah because he NEVER addresses any criticism. Like, ever.

    I really wouldn't say unfounded and unargued. Rather, I found his reasoning pretty solid.

    But I really can't say anything about his unwillingness to address criticism, it's just not something I know about.

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    edited April 2010
    jacobkosh wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    To say "I find this intersection of [class] and [behavior] repulsive, but not [behavior] or [class] in isolation" doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

    This is tantamount to asserting that it's impossible to tolerate something without wishing to experience or partake in it.

    I don't see how your objection follows from my statement.

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    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited April 2010
    I wish my cats would get along. I'd sleep a lot better.

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    Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Holy shit, I like [chat] a whole lot more when I'm drinking. This is how everyone deals with things!

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    SarksusSarksus ATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Whenever I look up homemade pornography a part of me eagerly hopes for bronzed adonises making aesthetically pleasing love to their gorgeous girlfriends.

    Instead it's a dude in a For the Horde t-shirt rolled up over his stomach pounding his bored looking girlfriend with burn scars.

    I found some pretty good stuff the other day.

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    _J__J_ Pedant Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2010
    Podly wrote: »
    However, if your philosophy is completely unfounded and unargued, then it doesn't end up doing much.

    What do you consider to be sufficient foundations or arguments?

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    HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Dammit, Shepard!Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    _J_ wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    What do you like about Dennett?

    Of course, his accessibility is wonderful to me. I'm a fan of his conception of free will, and what he has to say about determinism.

    You are a fan of compatiblism?!?!?!?

    The entire idea of free will was kind of invented by theologians to solve the problem of evil in the face of a just God. The Greeks were all fatalistic and shit; i'd go so far as to call them proto-determinists.

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    NocturneNocturne Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Holy shit, I like [chat] a whole lot more when I'm drinking. This is how everyone deals with things!

    You've finally learned

    Welcome to the pack my boy :P

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    SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Whenever I look up homemade pornography a part of me eagerly hopes for bronzed adonises making aesthetically pleasing love to their gorgeous girlfriends.

    Instead it's a dude in a For the Horde t-shirt rolled up over his stomach pounding his bored looking girlfriend with burn scars.

    you're going to the wrong sites

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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Holy shit, I like [chat] a whole lot more when I'm drinking. This is how everyone deals with things!

    And I am suddenly sober! Which is no good!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbPVwvd_H50

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    ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    grah

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Is there a word for the belief in randomness with no free will?

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    PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    _J_ wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    However, if your philosophy is completely unfounded and unargued, then it doesn't end up doing much.

    What do you consider to be sufficient foundations or arguments?

    baruch is on fire

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    Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Sarksus wrote: »
    Whenever I look up homemade pornography a part of me eagerly hopes for bronzed adonises making aesthetically pleasing love to their gorgeous girlfriends.

    Instead it's a dude in a For the Horde t-shirt rolled up over his stomach pounding his bored looking girlfriend with burn scars.

    I found some pretty good stuff the other day.

    I think I'm just going to use my imaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagination.

    Over%20the%20rainbow.gif

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    Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Whenever I look up homemade pornography a part of me eagerly hopes for bronzed adonises making aesthetically pleasing love to their gorgeous girlfriends.

    Instead it's a dude in a For the Horde t-shirt rolled up over his stomach pounding his bored looking girlfriend with burn scars.

    you're going to the wrong sites

    For me there are no right sites

    they all end in miserableness and tears

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    LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Podly wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Man I thought we had a philosophy thread

    It's nice to know I don't need to visit it to hear all about the seemingly endless supply of fossilized old Marxists who blather out reams of incomprehensible pointlessness about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

    What do you like to hear about?

    Things other than philosophy.

    Like what?

    Besides being cantankerous and otherwise unpleasant.

    Being cantankerous and otherwise unpleasant pretty much sums it up, actually.

    Why does it matter what I like to hear about?

    Lawndart on
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