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Wherein we discuss: Chuck vs [adjective] [noun]

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Yeah, great episode. Thank God:
    The opening was lame. He drove her to a warehouse to show her a tape? And they all bought that? Huh?
    He brought her there because that's where the director was apparently transmitting from (hence the digital camera setup.) One would think that the director set up that little movie show on the side to ruffle up the heroes who show up to late to arrest him.
    Well ruffling up their feathers gave Chuck everything he needed to determine where Shaw was going to try to kill Sarah. Not only that, but it necessitated that whole poorly choreographed ruse, which in turn exposed Shaw as a traitor.

    I just don't see what the Ring or Shaw gained by anything they did in this episode.

    My best guess is that the director and the device that was taken from Ring HQ are going to be integral to completing the Ring's intersect.
    Worst case for the Ring is that they create a wedge between Shaw and the CIA. Best case is that he gives them plans for the new Intersect, removes a CIA agent from the field and leave Chuck extremely vulnerable for a period. It's not a stellar plan, but it didn't look like it was going to cost the Ring much to try.

    My point is that they seemingly squandered their advantage.

  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Eh, Morgan:
    Is like an asset. They don't need to be highly trained or anything, there just needs to be some reason for them to be involved. Morgan is still on the declined side of that idea really, but he has enough points in the other column (Chuck, Casey, exposed Shaw, already knows the score) that it's not like it's totally out of the blue.

    Oh, and yeah, like I said before: The opening sequence was good for the comedy/small dramatic angle, but it was pretty devoid of logic on everyones part.

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  • DHSDHS Chase lizards.. ...bark at donkeys..Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Eh, Morgan:
    Is like an asset. They don't need to be highly trained or anything, there just needs to be some reason for them to be involved. Morgan is still on the declined side of that idea really, but he has enough points in the other column (Chuck, Casey, exposed Shaw, already knows the score) that it's not like it's totally out of the blue.

    Oh, and yeah, like I said before: The opening sequence was good for the comedy/small dramatic angle, but it was pretty devoid of logic on everyones part.

    Honestly, re: The Morgan
    I think he's destined for the "analyst" type job that Chuck was offered at the end of season 2. I mean, all of his talents have pointed towards something like that. He's actually pretty adept at getting a different read on a situation, partially because of his nerdom, and part because he's more clever than even Chuck and himself realize.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Arcadia Champion (Retired) WanderingRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Far more importantly with regards to Morgan:
    Since Casey actually respects and likes Chuck quite openly now, we need someone for Casey to be frustrated by for Adam Baldwin derisive grunting reasons.

    And really, I'll forgive a lot of ridiculousness to keep that.

    Also, just generally, we need things for Casey to do, as Chuck and Sarah are... distracted.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Yeah, great episode. Thank God:
    The opening was lame. He drove her to a warehouse to show her a tape? And they all bought that? Huh?
    He brought her there because that's where the director was apparently transmitting from (hence the digital camera setup.) One would think that the director set up that little movie show on the side to ruffle up the heroes who show up to late to arrest him.
    Well ruffling up their feathers gave Chuck everything he needed to determine where Shaw was going to try to kill Sarah. Not only that, but it necessitated that whole poorly choreographed ruse, which in turn exposed Shaw as a traitor.

    I just don't see what the Ring or Shaw gained by anything they did in this episode.

    My best guess is that the director and the device that was taken from Ring HQ are going to be integral to completing the Ring's intersect.
    Worst case for the Ring is that they create a wedge between Shaw and the CIA. Best case is that he gives them plans for the new Intersect, removes a CIA agent from the field and leave Chuck extremely vulnerable for a period. It's not a stellar plan, but it didn't look like it was going to cost the Ring much to try.

    My point is that they seemingly squandered their advantage.

    They didn't squander it, they lost it when Chuck and Casey unexpectedly showed up.

    IF Chuck hadn't thought the fight was so cool that he secretly took a copy to show Morgan AND Morgan wasn't such a martial arts B-movie nerd that he spotted the choreography AND Chuck didn't figure out that Shaw would take Sarah to the place where his wife died, then their plan would have gone off without a hitch and the Ring would have Shaw as an operative and the CIA plans for the Intersect and Sarah would be dead. It's really a fluke that their plan failed.

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  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    The opening sequence and the setup with the fake fight are 2 different beasts. The first makes no sense. The second is workable.

    Shaw and the Ring gained nothing almost from taking Sarah off to that warehouse other than making it less likely for anyone to believe Shaw was going to betray anyone. But he could have proved that without kidnapping her. Which they never explained. Like no one asked what the hell they were doing there.

    The fake fight was an authorized mission and convinced everyone Shaw was a good guy and wouldn't have raised any questions.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Arcadia Champion (Retired) WanderingRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    One theory that has been proposed elsewhere is that Shaw triggered Sarah's emergency thingy, and it was a false flag to discredit Chuck with Beckman, knowing Chuck was suspicious.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Civil War? How quaint.Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    According to Shaw, the CIA told him where the Director was transmitting from. Now, Shaw may have been lying, but you'd think that'd be an easy thing for Sarah and Beckmann to check. Maybe the CIA did track down the transmission point and Shaw was forced to play along.

    That or Shaw just wanted pad out his credibility for the eventual "This is where you killed my wife" part. "Look, see, I had the prefect opportunity to kill her, but I didn't, so I'm a goodguy!"

  • Sharp10rSharp10r Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    One theory that has been proposed elsewhere is that Shaw triggered Sarah's emergency thingy, and it was a false flag to discredit Chuck with Beckman, knowing Chuck was suspicious.

    Or Shaw knew she triggered and so he had to go to Plan-B?

  • WishpigWishpig Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    The opening sequence and the setup with the fake fight are 2 different beasts. The first makes no sense. The second is workable.

    Shaw and the Ring gained nothing almost from taking Sarah off to that warehouse other than making it less likely for anyone to believe Shaw was going to betray anyone. But he could have proved that without kidnapping her. Which they never explained. Like no one asked what the hell they were doing there.

    The fake fight was an authorized mission and convinced everyone Shaw was a good guy and wouldn't have raised any questions.

    Lol, man, thinking to hard about chuck is missing the point of the show. But I can't stop!

    One thing that really bugged me, is that Shaw had the fake the fight... what? Rather then have the highly trained bad ass evil spies take a punch... they put on a show that would make a pro-wrestler laugh? Jesus christ, let the blow connect, take it like a man! Your trying to trick the goddamn CIA!

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Arcadia Champion (Retired) WanderingRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    The truly baffling thing plot wise is that he says HE obtained the surveillance footage. Which: hubris.

    Or it's all a convoluted murder by Chuck plot.

    Or alternately, Shaw was really really stupid.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Talking about morgan, did anyone else notice his bright yellow messenger bag? Was that the mirror's edge pre-order bag?

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  • YodaTunaYodaTuna Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Spoit wrote: »
    Talking about morgan, did anyone else notice his bright yellow messenger bag? Was that the mirror's edge pre-order bag?

    Yes, he's had that for quite a long time.

  • DacDac Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I'm more curious as to how Shaw managed to get the footage when it was destroyed in the Ring base and wasn't restored until after he had set up the warehouse.

    I think? Can't remember if they gave him a copy; I thought they just knocked him out.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Arcadia Champion (Retired) WanderingRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Beckman had a copy.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Civil War? How quaint.Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Dac wrote: »
    I'm more curious as to how Shaw managed to get the footage when it was destroyed in the Ring base and wasn't restored until after he had set up the warehouse.

    You mean in the beginning? The Ring set up that warehouse: it's ostensibly where the director transmitted his hologram from.

  • ED!ED! Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Routh has been hamming it up in the last couple of episodes, and I am really sick of Beckman telling Chuck he isn't ready or some riff on Chuck not being a real spy, but this was a good episode that finally brought some damn closure. Now here's hoping Shaw isn't dead, and is elevated to the new director of The Ring (which is such a worse and less cooler name than Fulcrum I want to scream).

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  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Yeah, for being 'not ready' Chuck sure gets shit done. I hope he gets a little more backbone now with Sarah firmly in his corner. Another Ellie speech or two if required wouldn't hurt, either.

    I've had that same thought, ED. Fulcrum > The Ring in the name department.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Arcadia Champion (Retired) WanderingRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I think we're beyond the point where Chuck and Sarah give a shit what Beckman says.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Chuck has never given a shit what anyone says. Even Casey and Walker. Notice how he never stays in the car. Notice how he always snoops around in stuff that he shouldn't.

    Oh and on a completely different note:

    RE: trailer for next week --
    Julia Ling is back!

    And SCOTT BAKULA!

  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I still don't get why people care about Anna. She is completely useless and the show is better without her.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    I still don't get why people care about Anna. She is completely useless and the show is better without her.

    Because she's hot.

    Also, because she's hot.

  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    I still don't get why people care about Anna. She is completely useless and the show is better without her.

    Because she's hot.

    Also, because she's hot.

    And she was never bad, she just never got the chance to be good.

    There was no Jeffster or Captain Awsome scenes for her, she was just background noise.

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Exactly. I'd rather have more actually developed characters like Jeffster, or Sarah, than completely useless ones.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I actually like her on the show, because she was really good on Studio 60, and I miss that show. And her character on Studio 60 was far from useless.

  • PantsBPantsB Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    I still don't get why people care about Anna. She is completely useless and the show is better without her.

    Because she's hot.

    Also, because she's hot.

    Easily the least attractive female they've ever had on the show. And she was pretty pointless.

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  • GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Honestly, I have a preference toward Asian women and she never did it for me.

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  • KronusKronus Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    PantsB wrote: »
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    I still don't get why people care about Anna. She is completely useless and the show is better without her.

    Because she's hot.

    Also, because she's hot.

    Easily the least attractive female they've ever had on the show. And she was pretty pointless.

    Agreed on both counts. I didn't mind having her around, I just don't think she added much to the show.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Arcadia Champion (Retired) WanderingRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    Chuck has never given a shit what anyone says. Even Casey and Walker. Notice how he never stays in the car. Notice how he always snoops around in stuff that he shouldn't.

    Oh and on a completely different note:

    RE: trailer for next week --
    Julia Ling is back!

    And SCOTT BAKULA!

    That trailer is not for next week, it's for the next four.

    Also: two weeks from Monday, not Monday.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth veni, veneri, vamoosi Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Yeah, for being 'not ready' Chuck sure gets shit done. I hope he gets a little more backbone now with Sarah firmly in his corner. Another Ellie speech or two if required wouldn't hurt, either.

    I've had that same thought, ED. Fulcrum > The Ring in the name department.

    Speaking of Ellie's speech, I was hoping that instead of telling Chuck "You didn't go to far. You didn't go far enough" that she would say he "didn't go too far enough."

    But then I guess a reference like that is more in Morgan's corner.

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  • DragonPupDragonPup Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    I still don't get why people care about Anna. She is completely useless and the show is better without her.

    Because she's hot.

    Also, because she's hot.

    And she was never bad, she just never got the chance to be good.

    There was no Jeffster or Captain Awsome scenes for her, she was just background noise.

    Yea, the only cool thing she ever got to do was beat up that big guy who's name I forget in a steel cage with a tripod.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    DragonPup wrote: »
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    I still don't get why people care about Anna. She is completely useless and the show is better without her.

    Because she's hot.

    Also, because she's hot.

    And she was never bad, she just never got the chance to be good.

    There was no Jeffster or Captain Awsome scenes for her, she was just background noise.

    Yea, the only cool thing she ever got to do was beat up that big guy who's name I forget in a steel cage with a tripod.

    True, she did a pretty awesome martial arts thing, that even impressed Casey. Then no one ever mentioned it again. Wasted potential, that.

    Also weird, considering that in the Christmas episode she was stuck in the Buymore with everyone else, and when the hostage-taker went all martial arts on people she didn't lift a finger to help. She could probably have taken that guy out blindfolded.

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  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Richy,

    One theory (the one to which I personally subscribe) concerning Anna is that she didn't drop Morgan for the other Hibachi chef guy. She got recruited by the CIA or NSA (Casey called up somebody while she was kung-fu'ing). She dumped Morgan because she didn't want him to find out about her blossoming new life as a CIA agent, for his own protection. Except that now he's hip to Chuck's jive, and (last week spoilers)
    an operative himself
    so she's dropped by to tell him so they can pick up where they left off.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Arcadia Champion (Retired) WanderingRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I suspect this is a fan with too much time on their hands. But who knows.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Terrendos wrote: »
    Richy,

    One theory (the one to which I personally subscribe) concerning Anna is that she didn't drop Morgan for the other Hibachi chef guy. She got recruited by the CIA or NSA (Casey called up somebody while she was kung-fu'ing). She dumped Morgan because she didn't want him to find out about her blossoming new life as a CIA agent, for his own protection. Except that now he's hip to Chuck's jive, and (last week spoilers)
    an operative himself
    so she's dropped by to tell him so they can pick up where they left off.

    I don't know that I would call him
    an operative.

    I would say that
    Lackey or perhaps Specialist would be a more fitting term. Where specialist is used to indicate situations so far out of the ordinary that only someone as completely loony as Morgan would ever be able to function, knowingly or by accident.

  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I suspect this is a fan with too much time on their hands. But who knows.

    Twitter is evil. This is more evidence.

    Have I mentioned taking a random 2 week break for no damn reason is stupid and just another sign NBC is run by morons?

    On an almost related note spoilers for Bones (and how it relates to Chuck in this instance) below:
    The ending of the 100th episode of Bones is how I feared Chuck was going to play out (and would really piss me off if I had been watching the show for 5 damn seasons instead of only a month or so...but anyway). But thankfully Chuck's writers don't seem to be the normal 'lets drag this out until we're canceled' type. It's a stark contrast watching these 2 ending scenes close together. Both invoke emotion, just on opposites ends of the scale. Chuck, thankfully, is on the happy side...

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Arcadia Champion (Retired) WanderingRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    The break is so one of their highest performing shows runs during May Sweeps.

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  • KronusKronus Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    I suspect this is a fan with too much time on their hands. But who knows.

    Twitter is evil. This is more evidence.

    Have I mentioned taking a random 2 week break for no damn reason is stupid and just another sign NBC is run by morons?

    On an almost related note spoilers for Bones (and how it relates to Chuck in this instance) below:
    The ending of the 100th episode of Bones is how I feared Chuck was going to play out (and would really piss me off if I had been watching the show for 5 damn seasons instead of only a month or so...but anyway). But thankfully Chuck's writers don't seem to be the normal 'lets drag this out until we're canceled' type. It's a stark contrast watching these 2 ending scenes close together. Both invoke emotion, just on opposites ends of the scale. Chuck, thankfully, is on the happy side...

    Huh, I watched both episodes but never really thought about how they compared. Really glad the Chuck writers went the way they did, although I always assumed they would.

  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    The break is so one of their highest performing shows runs during May Sweeps.

    They could have also just ordered 2 more episodes. Good planning there.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Arcadia Champion (Retired) WanderingRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    The break is so one of their highest performing shows runs during May Sweeps.

    They could have also just ordered 2 more episodes. Good planning there.

    Cost/benefit issues. Though why they didn't just air for 13 of 15 weeks instead of massive premiere event (though I suppose Pink Slip would have infuriated the fan base without the next two within 24 hours if they hadn't done it this way) and a two hour finale is a bit of a mystery.

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