Wait a second. I thought that everyone remembers their flash forwards perfectly? That's why they found Mark's story so suspicious, because he didn't remember it.
So why did they need the autistic people?
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That's not been answered yet. It must be something to do with the early experiments?
I don't know about perfect recall as Penelope didn't seem to remember the equations on the mirror.
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Wait a second. I thought that everyone remembers their flash forwards perfectly? That's why they found Mark's story so suspicious, because he didn't remember it.
So why did they need the autistic people?
No they don't. Like Mark needing the drug or Lloyd having to revisit the bedroom and have conversations to jog it. Also, these people would have been subject to repeated flash forwards. Remembering the details of one hugely traumatic, global disaster might be easier? I dunno.
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Also, seriously pet shop lady, "You signed on for this"? No she didn't! That was her whole point! And furthermore, if you had told her to kill Mark Benford FIRST, then told her to steal the blueprints, she could have done both instead of failing at both! Worst. Diabolical. Taskmaster. Ever.
Mark needed the drug because he was wasted in his Flash Forward, and Lloyd's problem was that he never got a good look in the first place.
What I find amusing is when people say something like, "Your vision doesn't seem to add up to 2 and a half minutes." As though you expect for every single 2.5 minute interval in your life to be terribly exciting and life changing, and not simple "I sat in front of my computer and was downloading porn."
All in all, though, it's a vastly better show than V. Although Mark is an idiot for letting Frost get shot.
Wait a second. I thought that everyone remembers their flash forwards perfectly? That's why they found Mark's story so suspicious, because he didn't remember it.
So why did they need the autistic people?
I think it was more that everyone remembered their's pretty well because it was a very unusual thing that had just happened, but Mark had gaps because he was hammered at the time. It was also a relatively short period of time--if it had been hours or days I'm sure people wouldn't have detailed memories of exactly what happened. No one has said that everyone remembers them perfectly.
My problem is the whole closed-loop nature of the experiments. Baltar remembers seeing Olivia in the future, because in the future he keeps trying to find her and change her trajectory? And in his futures she's with Lloyd, so how does he know what she's doing and where she is anyway? Ouch my head.
My problem is the whole closed-loop nature of the experiments. Baltar remembers seeing Olivia in the future, because in the future he keeps trying to find her and change her trajectory? And in his futures she's with Lloyd, so how does he know what she's doing and where she is anyway? Ouch my head.
Frost said that the flash-forwards only show potential futures, and the name-dropping of the quantum entanglement devices seems to imply to me something about quantum universes. Nevertheless, Baltar's also stated that she's supposed to have gone to Harvard and (presumably) met Lloyd there, so at least one of the futures he's seen has not already NOT come to pass.
Maybe even in those futures when she's with Lloyd, she's still in the same places? Or maybe it's not every future, and he's just exaggerating/generalizing? Or maybe he's just fucking crazy?
I think that the idea is that the powers that be specifically engineered for Olivia and Lloyd not to meet, because it somehow hurt their plans.
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I think we're going to get a flashback moment which will show something happening and turning Olivia off going to Havard.
Early flashforward experiments using savants was quite interesting, it implies there's been a whole lot of work done into this "consciousness field" stuff they mentioned and early attempts were possibly harder to remember. although given how bad Baltar is at being sane, it seems odd that nobody remembers the crazy waiter at the wedding.
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I think we're going to get a flashback moment which will show something happening and turning Olivia off going to Havard.
Early flashforward experiments using savants was quite interesting, it implies although given how bad Baltar is at being sane, it seems odd that nobody remembers the crazy waiter at the wedding.
"He remembered our order perfectly! A little too perfectly."
Giving him a cap was a great idea. Otherwise, it would have been completely distracting.
Apart from Olivia and Miles hooking up and the way in which Frost got shot, and to be honest the entire ham fisted manner in which the trip to Soamlia episode was written Flashforward has really kept going up in my opinion.
They 'pace' of the show has remained high and, as an example of good writing, the Janis reveal/twist made things make sense and pull together rather than made me go WTF?!? which is what seems to happen in other shows with regular twists.
I found last night's episode to be pretty meh, especially following the previous one. It might be that the writers keep changing their mind on this future thing. First they all thought what they saw was for sure going to happen, then they decided it was only a possible future (as far back as two episodes with Frost's drawing), and now it is back to the method may change but "everyone will end up where they are supposed to be".
I found last night's episode to be pretty meh, especially following the previous one. It might be that the writers keep changing their mind on this future thing. First they all thought what they saw was for sure going to happen, then they decided it was only a possible future (as far back as two episodes with Frost's drawing), and now it is back to the method may change but "everyone will end up where they are supposed to be".
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I liked the show well enough but it was absurdly predictable and the "twists" so far have been pretty ho-hum.
My wife loves the show though and will be really disappointed that it was canceled.
It seems like a good fit for a USA or FX sort of show; but I'm sure it'll just die a quiet death.
I'm not sure why the public doesn't seem to like Sci-Fi in their prime time shows unless it is completely fucking retarded faux sci-fi like Lost or Heroes.
Not surprised (although I am surprised that V gets renewed). Almost too bad, since the show seems to be doing better. But not good enough to particularly care.
The sad thing is, since they were ending with another flashforward, they could have ended with a scene of "and this is how everything works out in the end."
Still, it's really sad that this show gets canceled for V.
It had ambitious ideas but more often than not it fell flat on its face. I would much rather have a show that swung for the fences and failed miserably than a bland show like V.
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Too bad. I quite liked this show. It wasn't awesome or anything but the actors and the overall idea kept me interested.
This show got better over time and I would've been really interested on how they went for further seasons. The premise was cool, the actors were cool and the story was decent if you discount all the boring shit. The idea behind the show seriously could've made for some really interesting stuff and I think the writers had good plans.
At least the final wrapped things up enough. Not awesome, but I didn't expect it to be so it was decent.
I haven't watched the last few episodes, but while it was often terrible, the blackout bits of the pilot, the very first Somalia towers reveal and the conspiracy shootout in Washington were great TV. There were glimmers there of something potentially very cool.
The shootout in Washington was a moment of pure bro-osit. The sheer power of bro (the look across, the curt nod) made them invulnerable. It went non-ironically straight into cliche, through the otherside and as a result found something truly awesome. I may have fist pumped at the conclusion of the shoot out.
As for the final episode, I really liked it, it worked as a series finale, it worked as a good bit of cliff hanger television, it worked as an undecided fate-vs-free will argument, it just worked.
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There were indeed some really nice ideas in here, but it needed a stronger lead writer. The mid-series retooling caused a drastic leap in quality was a very firm step in the right direction, but it still managed to get bogged down.
I'm confident that the plot of this could have been drawn up for a single series of something amazing.
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So why did they need the autistic people?
I don't know about perfect recall as Penelope didn't seem to remember the equations on the mirror.
No they don't. Like Mark needing the drug or Lloyd having to revisit the bedroom and have conversations to jog it. Also, these people would have been subject to repeated flash forwards. Remembering the details of one hugely traumatic, global disaster might be easier? I dunno.
Also, seriously pet shop lady, "You signed on for this"? No she didn't! That was her whole point! And furthermore, if you had told her to kill Mark Benford FIRST, then told her to steal the blueprints, she could have done both instead of failing at both! Worst. Diabolical. Taskmaster. Ever.
What I find amusing is when people say something like, "Your vision doesn't seem to add up to 2 and a half minutes." As though you expect for every single 2.5 minute interval in your life to be terribly exciting and life changing, and not simple "I sat in front of my computer and was downloading porn."
All in all, though, it's a vastly better show than V. Although Mark is an idiot for letting Frost get shot.
I think it was more that everyone remembered their's pretty well because it was a very unusual thing that had just happened, but Mark had gaps because he was hammered at the time. It was also a relatively short period of time--if it had been hours or days I'm sure people wouldn't have detailed memories of exactly what happened. No one has said that everyone remembers them perfectly.
My problem is the whole closed-loop nature of the experiments. Baltar remembers seeing Olivia in the future, because in the future he keeps trying to find her and change her trajectory? And in his futures she's with Lloyd, so how does he know what she's doing and where she is anyway? Ouch my head.
Maybe even in those futures when she's with Lloyd, she's still in the same places? Or maybe it's not every future, and he's just exaggerating/generalizing? Or maybe he's just fucking crazy?
Early flashforward experiments using savants was quite interesting, it implies there's been a whole lot of work done into this "consciousness field" stuff they mentioned and early attempts were possibly harder to remember. although given how bad Baltar is at being sane, it seems odd that nobody remembers the crazy waiter at the wedding.
"He remembered our order perfectly! A little too perfectly."
Giving him a cap was a great idea. Otherwise, it would have been completely distracting.
They 'pace' of the show has remained high and, as an example of good writing, the Janis reveal/twist made things make sense and pull together rather than made me go WTF?!? which is what seems to happen in other shows with regular twists.
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Well I'm not terribly surprised.
I liked the show well enough but it was absurdly predictable and the "twists" so far have been pretty ho-hum.
My wife loves the show though and will be really disappointed that it was canceled.
It seems like a good fit for a USA or FX sort of show; but I'm sure it'll just die a quiet death.
I'm not sure why the public doesn't seem to like Sci-Fi in their prime time shows unless it is completely fucking retarded faux sci-fi like Lost or Heroes.
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Fun while it lasted.
Still, it's really sad that this show gets canceled for V.
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This show got better over time and I would've been really interested on how they went for further seasons. The premise was cool, the actors were cool and the story was decent if you discount all the boring shit. The idea behind the show seriously could've made for some really interesting stuff and I think the writers had good plans.
At least the final wrapped things up enough. Not awesome, but I didn't expect it to be so it was decent.
As for the final episode, I really liked it, it worked as a series finale, it worked as a good bit of cliff hanger television, it worked as an undecided fate-vs-free will argument, it just worked.
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I'm confident that the plot of this could have been drawn up for a single series of something amazing.