-Ashe is the most played character
-Ashe is #10 For W/L ratio
-Ashe is #11 For Assists
-Ashe is not even in the top 20 for K/D Ratio
-Ashe is not even in the top 20 for Overall Kills
Now, this could be because so many people play her, she is often played badly, but I dont think that would skew the results this much.
As Dave said, most other good carries have an escape mechanisms and abilities that massively add to their damage. Ashe has neither. And going to what Nisi is saying, if the other team is good, the Ashe should never be alive. Cleanse Flash is simply not enough to save her from any good players.
Dave and Nisi are pretty dead on in their analysis.
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Could somebody fix up the OP? Maybe add a link to the main website in there and a few screenshots, maybe even a video of gameplay.
Edit: Is this game as moddable as WC3 is or are we stuck with whatever they give us?
of screenshots:
1) I don't think a zoomed out pic looks good static The zoomed in screenshots to not actually give an adequate impression on what the game is about
video may not be a bad idea
if i linked the main page, then who would use my referral code?
(also, thought it was linked in the title image)
5th) how dare you disparage the yordle
and, i see absolutely no modding in the future. they got their plate full with making the game as is work.
-Ashe is the most played character
-Ashe is #10 For W/L ratio
-Ashe is #11 For Assists
-Ashe is not even in the top 20 for K/D Ratio
-Ashe is not even in the top 20 for Overall Kills
Now, this could be because so many people play her, she is often played badly, but I dont think that would skew the results this much.
As Dave said, most other good carries have an escape mechanisms and abilities that massively add to their damage. Ashe has neither. And going to what Nisi is saying, if the other team is good, the Ashe should never be alive. Cleanse Flash is simply not enough to save her from any good players.
Dave and Nisi are pretty dead on in their analysis.
Being most played and tied for the cheapest definitely would have a negative effect on K/D. I'd actually agree she isn't the best carry in terms of damage at all, but her ult is just magnificent. Global ults are disproportionately good, and a full length stun that doesn't get merc treaded / cleansed is enough time for the side lane people to take someone from 100 to 0.
Her hawk shot is going to be amazing, because depending on the specifics, it could counter junglers hard.
So, our intrepid Shaco (with the new Mad Hatter skin, no less) dies to the lizard trying to get the buff. He then becomes my laning partner and proceeds to hug the tower, occasionally dropping a jester box in front of it.
Our mid, Malzahar, gets killed at level 8 and leaves the game.
Just another day in the League of mother-goosing Legends.
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Go on vent and play with the other 36 people I see on my friends list you fucking baby
Okay, so I love Tristana late game. And even midgame. Pretty much any-game after I get my BF sword. But until then, it's not so fun and easy. How can I fix this? I'm trying to get lots of last hits but like, last game, I was alone in mid and the guy with the turrets was against me. So he'd just set up turrets right in front of my tower so that my creeps died to his turrets and a second later his creeps showed up. So I was stuck competing with my own tower all match, and I couldn't score many kills against it, despite folks in Vent saying it's so easy :P
Go on vent and play with the other 36 people I see on my friends list you fucking baby
This needs to be quoted everytime someone complains about their pug teammates. The number of players playing nowadays has grown hugely. You'd have to be playing at 9am Britisher time to not find someone, and even then you'll probably find some 'mericans staying up until 3am to play with. Then we can complain about our terrible PA teammates.
Okay, so I love Tristana late game. And even midgame. Pretty much any-game after I get my BF sword. But until then, it's not so fun and easy. How can I fix this? I'm trying to get lots of last hits but like, last game, I was alone in mid and the guy with the turrets was against me. So he'd just set up turrets right in front of my tower so that my creeps died to his turrets and a second later his creeps showed up. So I was stuck competing with my own tower all match, and I couldn't score many kills against it, despite folks in Vent saying it's so easy :P
Rushing BF sword is sooooo old school. Now Youmuu's Ghostblade, that is one classy item. 8-) I recommend it to all Ashe or Tristana users.
Okay, so I love Tristana late game. And even midgame. Pretty much any-game after I get my BF sword. But until then, it's not so fun and easy. How can I fix this? I'm trying to get lots of last hits but like, last game, I was alone in mid and the guy with the turrets was against me. So he'd just set up turrets right in front of my tower so that my creeps died to his turrets and a second later his creeps showed up. So I was stuck competing with my own tower all match, and I couldn't score many kills against it, despite folks in Vent saying it's so easy :P
The tower does about 45% damage to a melee creep and maybe 70% to a ranged creep. You have to have a good understanding of that damage along with your own damage, and time it so that the tower will leave the creep near death so you can finish it off in one hit. For example sometimes a melee creep has just over half health, so you have to hit it one time, let the tower hit it once, and then finish it off. You also have to take into account the damage of your own creeps. Don't try to kill a creep from full to empty, odds are the tower will switch to it and take the kill from you.
-Ashe is the most played character
-Ashe is #10 For W/L ratio
-Ashe is #11 For Assists
-Ashe is not even in the top 20 for K/D Ratio
-Ashe is not even in the top 20 for Overall Kills
Now, this could be because so many people play her, she is often played badly, but I dont think that would skew the results this much.
Wow, really. Your flawed argument is bugging me a lot.
1) You assume that this is lolbase is an accurate source of information. Which it might or might not be, I'll play along with you on this one.
2) Ashe is #10 for W/L ratio. Actually, #11. You forget to mention that out the 10 champions ahead of her, only 2 are physical carries (Shaco and Warwick) and there are no ranged carries to be found unless you count Janna, Soraka or Heimerdinger. Making her the 3rd best carry to pick to win a game.
3) Ashe is #11 for assists. Again, Ashe is top carry in this respect.
4) Ashe is not even top 20 for K/D ratio. Because K/D ratio is a measure of a good carry champion, rite?
5) Ashe is not even top 20 for Overall Kills. Again, there are some characters that get kills easier than others. Clearly this shows that she isn't that good in this respect. Yeah Ashe sucks because she can't get kills and only a ton of assists and if she can't get kills she can't win games rite? Oh wait...
As Dave said, most other good carries have an escape mechanisms and abilities that massively add to their damage. Ashe has neither.
How about your god arrow and slow? Do you remember when ECA stunned for 5 seconds and Ashe was in every game? Even now, a 3.5s stun equates to a whole bunch of damage that you can do to your opponent while your target is stunned. That is the massive damage. Kiting with slow is massive damage.
Forget that, lets look at a similar ranged carry that has both an escape mechanism and abilities that massively add to their damage: Tristana
-Tristana is the #23 most played character
-Tristana is #51 For W/L ratio
-Tristana is #50 For Assists
-Tristana is not even in the top 20 for K/D Ratio
-Tristana is not even in the top 20 for Overall Kills
Apparently TF doesn't do any better either.
As for damage, she cant compare to Kat, Akali, Trist, Ezreal, TF, Jax, Sion...
Ashe is #6 on average overall damage dealt, and none of the champions you listed are top 5. Top 5 in order are: Heimerdinger, Sivir, Mordekaizer, Karthus, Master Yi. 4 have more than 1 AoE ability.
Ashe is not the best carry? Fine. She is not bad and is actually pretty goddamn good. Please stop twisting numbers to fit your arguments. Also, stop trolling me =[
2) Ashe is #10 for W/L ratio. Actually, #11. You forget to mention that out the 10 champions ahead of her, only 2 are physical carries (Shaco and Warwick) and there are no ranged carries to be found unless you count Janna, Soraka or Heimerdinger. Making her the 3rd best carry to pick to win a game.
3) Ashe is #11 for assists. Again, Ashe is top carry in this respect.
4) Ashe is not even top 20 for K/D ratio. Because K/D ratio is a measure of a good carry champion, rite?
5) Ashe is not even top 20 for Overall Kills. Again, there are some characters that get kills easier than others. Clearly this shows that she isn't that good in this respect. Yeah Ashe sucks because she can't get kills and only a ton of assists and if she can't get kills she can't win games rite? Oh wait...
This is the entire crux of my point. A carry hero is one that does get kills, that gets fed by others until they are so big and beefy that noone can stand up to them. Think morphling and viper in dota. Where at the end of a decent game, if the support carry does their job right, they will be so powerful, they can solo the other team. A carry is not a person that gets assists, a carry is not a person that has alot of deaths. The support carry and support should do their job to keep these people alive and get them in position to wreck the other team. Ashe is simply not a carry, at all, period. On our team, that is annie, and she does it incredably well. Furthermore our team comp is doing incredably well.
And for a million reasons, her slow is the worst escape mechanism in the game, it will not help you aginst more than 1 hero, and if they have any form of stun, slow, its negated, and point blank arrow lasts about 1 second. Valkeryie, Rocketjump, TF's stun, Jax's leap and dodge shield, yi's highlander, all help avoid multiple disables and can get you out of a 2 v 1 situation. Very rarely are two persurers stupid enough to get hit by the same volley and come from the same angle on ashe with no disables.
You yourself arent even debating the same arugment, noone is saying ashe isnt good as a support, that her arrow and slow arent benefical. What I am saying, and nisi, and dave, is that her damage output, due to the fact that its a) single target b) not enhanced by her abilities, and c) packed on a very veunerable character, make her not a solid carry. When you want to put a carry on a team, its not ashe, its someoen that actually gets a ton of kills and can most likely do aoe damage, and has alot of survivability. Ashe wins games, but that doesnt make her a carry and shes certainly not OP carry like everyone claims.
Ashe is not the best carry? Fine. She is not bad and is actually pretty goddamn good. Please stop twisting numbers to fit your arguments. Also, stop trolling me =
The ironic thing is, im not twisting any numbers at all, they state exactly what I am sayiyng, she is not a top tier carry. Period. You are twisting my words into saying that shes a bad hero in general. I never said anything of the sort. If you look back at my posts I never said anything bad about arrow and volley, I know their uses and benefits to a team. If I thought she was bad I wouldnt have 95% of the 500ish games ive played with her. I am quite aware of her capeability to SUPPORT a team. Over 300 in beta and approaching 200 now.
Sounds like you're nitpicking over his use of the word "carry" rather than her ability to do so. The line begins to blur when you use the label "support carry" and also mention a DotA champion rather than a champion that can actually solo the other team in League of Legends. There are no champions, by my knowledge, in a balanced match that can do so.
I've once soloed the enemy team as a fed Malphite in very low elo games... but I digress..
Pick Ashe if you need ranged physical DPS.
Pick Ashe if you want support.
Pick Ashe if you want a global stun, a dependable slow, and oodles of gank opportunities.
All of these things are true. All of these things are things she can do well even if she is item dependent and even if she isn't absolutely the top tier damage dealer or top tier escape artist.
2) Ashe is #10 for W/L ratio. Actually, #11. You forget to mention that out the 10 champions ahead of her, only 2 are physical carries (Shaco and Warwick) and there are no ranged carries to be found unless you count Janna, Soraka or Heimerdinger. Making her the 3rd best carry to pick to win a game.
3) Ashe is #11 for assists. Again, Ashe is top carry in this respect.
4) Ashe is not even top 20 for K/D ratio. Because K/D ratio is a measure of a good carry champion, rite?
5) Ashe is not even top 20 for Overall Kills. Again, there are some characters that get kills easier than others. Clearly this shows that she isn't that good in this respect. Yeah Ashe sucks because she can't get kills and only a ton of assists and if she can't get kills she can't win games rite? Oh wait...
This is the entire crux of my point. A carry hero is one that does get kills, that gets fed by others until they are so big and beefy that noone can stand up to them. Think morphling and viper in dota. Where at the end of a decent game, if the support carry does their job right, they will be so powerful, they can solo the other team. A carry is not a person that gets assists, a carry is not a person that has alot of deaths. The support carry and support should do their job to keep these people alive and get them in position to wreck the other team. Ashe is simply not a carry, at all, period. On our team, that is annie, and she does it incredably well. Furthermore our team comp is doing incredably well.
And for a million reasons, her slow is the worst escape mechanism in the game, it will not help you aginst more than 1 hero, and if they have any form of stun, slow, its negated, and point blank arrow lasts about 1 second. Valkeryie, Rocketjump, TF's stun, Jax's leap and dodge shield, yi's highlander, all help avoid multiple disables and can get you out of a 2 v 1 situation. Very rarely are two persurers stupid enough to get hit by the same volley and come from the same angle on ashe with no disables.
You yourself arent even debating the same arugment, noone is saying ashe isnt good as a support, that her arrow and slow arent benefical. What I am saying, and nisi, and dave, is that her damage output, due to the fact that its a) single target b) not enhanced by her abilities, and c) packed on a very veunerable character, make her not a solid carry. When you want to put a carry on a team, its not ashe, its someoen that actually gets a ton of kills and can most likely do aoe damage, and has alot of survivability. Ashe wins games, but that doesnt make her a carry and shes certainly not OP carry like everyone claims.
Ashe is not the best carry? Fine. She is not bad and is actually pretty goddamn good. Please stop twisting numbers to fit your arguments. Also, stop trolling me =
The ironic thing is, im not twisting any numbers at all, they state exactly what I am sayiyng, she is not a top tier carry. Period. You are twisting my words into saying that shes a bad hero in general. I never said anything of the sort. If you look back at my posts I never said anything bad about arrow and volley, I know their uses and benefits to a team. If I thought she was bad I wouldnt have 95% of the 500ish games ive played with her. I am quite aware of her capeability to SUPPORT a team. Over 300 in beta and approaching 200 now.
Not trying to be a silly goose but Ashe can be a carry or support depending on your play style.Also I think FightTest played like a fewthousand games from beta til now.
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Just do any build that somehow involved Rageblade and Nashors and watch people fall.
If you look at the stats on lolbase.net
-Ashe is the most played character
-Ashe is #10 For W/L ratio
-Ashe is #11 For Assists
-Ashe is not even in the top 20 for K/D Ratio
-Ashe is not even in the top 20 for Overall Kills
Now, this could be because so many people play her, she is often played badly, but I dont think that would skew the results this much.
As Dave said, most other good carries have an escape mechanisms and abilities that massively add to their damage. Ashe has neither. And going to what Nisi is saying, if the other team is good, the Ashe should never be alive. Cleanse Flash is simply not enough to save her from any good players.
Dave and Nisi are pretty dead on in their analysis.
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we should've taken video of that all-healers game
god that push down mid at level 12
was so weenie
Fine.
http://lol.qq.com/web200912/sec_bz.htm
This will be here until I receive an apology or Weedlordvegeta get any consequences for being a bully
like how tristana is a megling and teemo is just a normal yordle
Like that one MMO where the males were talking raccoons and the females were lolis .
Being most played and tied for the cheapest definitely would have a negative effect on K/D. I'd actually agree she isn't the best carry in terms of damage at all, but her ult is just magnificent. Global ults are disproportionately good, and a full length stun that doesn't get merc treaded / cleansed is enough time for the side lane people to take someone from 100 to 0.
Her hawk shot is going to be amazing, because depending on the specifics, it could counter junglers hard.
Our mid, Malzahar, gets killed at level 8 and leaves the game.
Just another day in the League of mother-goosing Legends.
8-)
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This needs to be quoted everytime someone complains about their pug teammates. The number of players playing nowadays has grown hugely. You'd have to be playing at 9am Britisher time to not find someone, and even then you'll probably find some 'mericans staying up until 3am to play with. Then we can complain about our terrible PA teammates.
Rushing BF sword is sooooo old school. Now Youmuu's Ghostblade, that is one classy item. 8-) I recommend it to all Ashe or Tristana users.
This will be here until I receive an apology or Weedlordvegeta get any consequences for being a bully
The tower does about 45% damage to a melee creep and maybe 70% to a ranged creep. You have to have a good understanding of that damage along with your own damage, and time it so that the tower will leave the creep near death so you can finish it off in one hit. For example sometimes a melee creep has just over half health, so you have to hit it one time, let the tower hit it once, and then finish it off. You also have to take into account the damage of your own creeps. Don't try to kill a creep from full to empty, odds are the tower will switch to it and take the kill from you.
doran's shield + hp pot
boots
start building gunblade
works amazingly well
i lurve it
nisi is horribly inept with Olaf though
Wow, really. Your flawed argument is bugging me a lot.
1) You assume that this is lolbase is an accurate source of information. Which it might or might not be, I'll play along with you on this one.
2) Ashe is #10 for W/L ratio. Actually, #11. You forget to mention that out the 10 champions ahead of her, only 2 are physical carries (Shaco and Warwick) and there are no ranged carries to be found unless you count Janna, Soraka or Heimerdinger. Making her the 3rd best carry to pick to win a game.
3) Ashe is #11 for assists. Again, Ashe is top carry in this respect.
4) Ashe is not even top 20 for K/D ratio. Because K/D ratio is a measure of a good carry champion, rite?
5) Ashe is not even top 20 for Overall Kills. Again, there are some characters that get kills easier than others. Clearly this shows that she isn't that good in this respect. Yeah Ashe sucks because she can't get kills and only a ton of assists and if she can't get kills she can't win games rite? Oh wait...
How about your god arrow and slow? Do you remember when ECA stunned for 5 seconds and Ashe was in every game? Even now, a 3.5s stun equates to a whole bunch of damage that you can do to your opponent while your target is stunned. That is the massive damage. Kiting with slow is massive damage.
Forget that, lets look at a similar ranged carry that has both an escape mechanism and abilities that massively add to their damage: Tristana
-Tristana is the #23 most played character
-Tristana is #51 For W/L ratio
-Tristana is #50 For Assists
-Tristana is not even in the top 20 for K/D Ratio
-Tristana is not even in the top 20 for Overall Kills
Apparently TF doesn't do any better either.
Ashe is #6 on average overall damage dealt, and none of the champions you listed are top 5. Top 5 in order are: Heimerdinger, Sivir, Mordekaizer, Karthus, Master Yi. 4 have more than 1 AoE ability.
Ashe is not the best carry? Fine. She is not bad and is actually pretty goddamn good. Please stop twisting numbers to fit your arguments. Also, stop trolling me =[
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This is the entire crux of my point. A carry hero is one that does get kills, that gets fed by others until they are so big and beefy that noone can stand up to them. Think morphling and viper in dota. Where at the end of a decent game, if the support carry does their job right, they will be so powerful, they can solo the other team. A carry is not a person that gets assists, a carry is not a person that has alot of deaths. The support carry and support should do their job to keep these people alive and get them in position to wreck the other team. Ashe is simply not a carry, at all, period. On our team, that is annie, and she does it incredably well. Furthermore our team comp is doing incredably well.
And for a million reasons, her slow is the worst escape mechanism in the game, it will not help you aginst more than 1 hero, and if they have any form of stun, slow, its negated, and point blank arrow lasts about 1 second. Valkeryie, Rocketjump, TF's stun, Jax's leap and dodge shield, yi's highlander, all help avoid multiple disables and can get you out of a 2 v 1 situation. Very rarely are two persurers stupid enough to get hit by the same volley and come from the same angle on ashe with no disables.
You yourself arent even debating the same arugment, noone is saying ashe isnt good as a support, that her arrow and slow arent benefical. What I am saying, and nisi, and dave, is that her damage output, due to the fact that its a) single target b) not enhanced by her abilities, and c) packed on a very veunerable character, make her not a solid carry. When you want to put a carry on a team, its not ashe, its someoen that actually gets a ton of kills and can most likely do aoe damage, and has alot of survivability. Ashe wins games, but that doesnt make her a carry and shes certainly not OP carry like everyone claims.
The ironic thing is, im not twisting any numbers at all, they state exactly what I am sayiyng, she is not a top tier carry. Period. You are twisting my words into saying that shes a bad hero in general. I never said anything of the sort. If you look back at my posts I never said anything bad about arrow and volley, I know their uses and benefits to a team. If I thought she was bad I wouldnt have 95% of the 500ish games ive played with her. I am quite aware of her capeability to SUPPORT a team. Over 300 in beta and approaching 200 now.
can we all agree
that ashe is better than evelynn, as a carry
as a tank, though, ashe is worse than evelynn. I have data to back this up.
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I've once soloed the enemy team as a fed Malphite in very low elo games... but I digress..
Pick Ashe if you need ranged physical DPS.
Pick Ashe if you want support.
Pick Ashe if you want a global stun, a dependable slow, and oodles of gank opportunities.
All of these things are true. All of these things are things she can do well even if she is item dependent and even if she isn't absolutely the top tier damage dealer or top tier escape artist.
Not trying to be a silly goose but Ashe can be a carry or support depending on your play style. Also I think FightTest played like a few thousand games from beta til now.
This will be here until I receive an apology or Weedlordvegeta get any consequences for being a bully