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And that's all fine and dandy but it still doesn't make the statement: "women are less good at sports because of genetics" any less stupid.
Body-building and powerlifting are simple sports. That is, there is a clear goal and a clear way of working towards that goal. To cite that as proof that women are obviously worse at soccer and basketbal because of inferior genetics is just insane.
To look at sports that are really complex (there are various strategies and plays and all that) and then look at the complexity of society and come to the simple conclusion that it's mostly genetics is just absurd.
I mean, it could be true that women are in fact worse at stuff like this because of genetics. However, to assert that when there is so much stuff that could affect it and we don't even know all of it is silly. It's the same problem with evolutionary psychology: seeing stuff and then trying to rationalise it via one way that explain almost everything.
If women were the faster runners we'd say that men are slower because their cocks got in the way. Backwards justification ftw.
Are you sure there's something wrong with it now...
Ask them how they feel about things.
What is active teaching? Therapy for boys to deprogram them from thinking crying is a sign of weakness?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY6k50qB4Ys
There are half a dozen reasons we're taught not to cry by our fathers, male role models, and TV, including such gems as 'getting emotional upsets the women in our lives and we have to put on a brave face for their sake' and 'you wanna look like a sissy?'
Um, no we wouldn't, that's silly.
Men are better runners because of longer leg length, muscle, and the wider hips of women cause different rotations when they run which puts them at a disadvantage and makes them more prone to injury. The wider hips are needed because women are the ones who carry and give birth to a baby.
This isn't a bad thing, if that wasn't the case childbirth would be far more dangerous if not fatal.
In a similar issue, you know why all top level female gymnasts are really young and short? Because being tall and having a developed chest throws off your center of gravity making these things harder. So you will never see a tall woman with a developed chest in the olympics. On the male side, we don't have to worry about our chest, but you'll never see a tall man as a gymnast.
It's simply a fact of life that different physical builds are more advantageous then others for certain activities.
So when it comes to a lot of the base functions in many sports, running, jumping, strength, ect, the odds are stacked in men's favor. Which is why we avoid coed competitions.
On the other hand women tend to live longer then men and develop nasty conditions later in life. From what I've read, most of that's genetics as well.
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I agree. More on topic with this thread. I've read in places that males bottling up emotions leads to various health problems.
That's already going on. We don't spank kids anymore, boys are told not to fight instead of defend themselves, ect. We won't know the results for a while. Will we have more well adjusted adults, or will have raised a nation of wimps and cowards. Who knows.
It's not just that. I've had these "lessons" quite cruelly beaten into my head by my peers and teachers, as well. There was no place to escape it, something I doubt has changed at all. I can't tell you how many years of my life were utter emotional hell because I thought there was something wrong with me. It wasn't just about emotions either, it was about nearly everything. Sports, video games, toys, even my choice of food. I see it on this forum with no irony at all. It's easy to miss when you're comfortable with it, but if you don't fit into the box your culture made for you it's often hell.
little boys get taught not to cry by women too
it is a societal problem, not a problem caused solely by men
This isn't actually true. I mean, the the first two paragrahps are certainly true, but the conclusion you make isn't. Men have a slight advantage in a bunch of ways. Women have others. But the reason we avoid coed competitions have far more to do with entrenched views about gender. Women-sports are just so much less focused on.
Yes and no.
Yes, if women were better atheletes we wopuld have absurd justifications as to why.
That DOES NOT change the important of sexual dimorphism in this particular area, though. We may over emphasize it, but there is still a large real influence from it.
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gender expectations are foisted on children by adults of BOTH genders
personally, it bothers me when I see repetition of the idea that men are the ones perpetrating gender roles, as opposed to society in general, because I believe it causes some people to miss the point.
Its pretty much the root cause behind all the angst that pops up in these threads. Dudes getting butthurt because they think someone bitching about patriarchy is bitching about men. They're not the same thing.
Also, there's nothing funnier than watching a dude mansplain to a grown-ass lady that her hips are wider because of babies. Thanks for that tip ntsf, we'd all be lost without you :lol:
Yeah...actually this was studied in netball players. What was found was that during different periods of their menstrual cycle, the risk of muscle injuries in the legs went up. The observation was that higher hormone levels at the fertility peak of their cycle seem to cause a degree of relaxation in the muscles and ligaments, allowing them to flex slightly more.
Of course, since the mentrual cycle can be beaten out with the Pill (and in many athletes, doesn't occur normally anyway)...
Because I'm not psychic. Glad you are. And nice insults at men in general. Though from you, 100% expected.
I c wat u did there
I figured it out from the one post on that page and i don't even know her, are you just not paying attention because you're looking too hard for things to be offended about?
Signs point to yes.
edit: actually you know what, i conflated a couple of posts there, so disregard. you're still being pretty silly though.
Is that an oxytocin effect? Because its pretty well-known that stretching too much/too intensely while pregnant can cause problems since elevated oxytocin levels screw around with one's ligaments (its the same reason some women's feet change size, everything holding the foot bones together kind of relaxes a bit). I wouldn't be surprised if there's a subdued version of the same effect within a standard menstrual cycle.
That said, I also don't think its unmanageable or a dealbreaker for a sportsperson. And there is increasing evidence of hormonal cycles in men, although obviously they work differently. Its just that not as many people seem interested in studying that...
I'm not offended at anything. I don't make any assumptions about what anybody could be over the internet because it is the internet. Anybody could be anybody. So unless, for the sake of this forum, it's someone I know in game or have ran into IRL, you're all the same to me. This is why argument to authority doesn't work here either. I didn't see anything that pointed to she being a she, and even then who knows.
I just find it funny that you come running back into this thread and the first thing you do is get in a huff and then start hurling insults at men in general now that your standard go to crux is forbidden.
Not offended at all. It's entertaining and I got a good laugh out of it. It's like Pavlov's dog.
absolutely
to make things clear, sexual dimorphism only sets the baseline. plenty of women are MUCH BETTER athletes than the average man.
Pointing out that its stupid for people to confuse patriarchy with men is not 'throwing insults'. Stop being stupid. I'm not the one dragging the thread down here, you are. Lighten up.
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Also, there's nothing funnier than watching a dude mansplain to a grown-ass lady
Due and mansplain are negative terms. Grown ass shows hostility.
Again, I'm not upset. I found your outburst rather expected and silly. I got a laugh out of it, thanks.
Not all of the people bitching always know that, for the record (not that i've seen that in this particular thread yet).
But honestly, I have a problem blaming this on "the patriarchy". Women have had plenty of incentive for perpetuating this particular gender role in the past. the idea that in a partnership one party is allowed to behave irrationally on occasion and blame it on emotions, but the other is expected to always behave in a rational manner shows a clear advantage (ceteris paribus). Yes, it does have a strong historical link with the concept of the "big strong man", but that doesn't mean that only men benefit from it (arguably, men don't really benefit from it at all. it is really just an extra burden on them.)
I'm not saying that there is some secret conspircacy of women, what I'm saying is that ALL of society, women included, is guilty of perpetrating certain gender roles for both genders.
Wow. wow. 'dude' is a negative term? what? I don't even
you what you have fun with that
and you really don't have any place commenting about hostility while displaying this level of passive aggression.
that's kind of what i just said, but with a lot more words
That's sort of what patriarchy means. It doesn't mean there is a conspiracy of men trying to keep women down, it means everyone in society assumes men are awesome and women are kind of lame, because that's what everyone around them says.
It is well-known that patriarchy hurts men too. But it's worse for women.
Man emotions 101. I find that someone using a childish phrase such as "dude has to mansplain" and then calling them self "grown-ass" right after highly funny and amusing. Not offensive. I saw it as an attempt to bash the frat type guys that say dude, and then knock male intelligence only the sly and be witty that fell on it's face given the context, hence I got a kick out of it.
Personally I'd have gone for "you don't need to explain t a woman about her hips, we know" rather then trying to be a smart ass. But that wouldn't have been as funny, so in the end, this brought me some entertainment while waiting for dinner to cook.
There, I have explained what went through this man's head.
I've heard that women are actually stronger, pound-for-pound. They generally don't reach the same size as men for a variety of reasons, but (not sure if there's a better way to put this) "to scale" women are, again from what I've heard, on average stronger than men.
I'd look this up but I'm kinda lazy at the moment.
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You're clearly a little irritated, otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to clarify that you are Amused By This Childishness.
People who genuinely find forum bullshit to be amusing just laugh or troll instead of typing out long posts.
Well then there should be a new term for it. Patriarchy comes as a loaded term. Unless you're able to define in a sound bite, because of our ADD nation, how it's not an attack on men, it can be taken as such simply because of what people have been told a patriarch is.
Trying to convince people to work against something works better when you don't use loaded terms.
At this point I'm just having fun with it and running with it, I took the chance to stir up a little shit. But think what you like.
That's flat ridiculous. Patriarchy is a well-defined term not just among feminists but among the anthropological studies in which it originated. You not knowing what the term means (and apparently substituting a set of ridiculous stereotypes for its actual meaning instead of doing some danged research) does not invalidate its usefulness.
Is that....
...is that soundbitey enough for you?
I mean I have ADHD and I don't take that as a particularly loaded definition.