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[DnD 4e PBP] God is dead. (Lorrum (un)Death March!)

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  • RiusRius Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Cyros wrote: »
    I see the name Gregor and I can't help but think Gregor Clegane, the Mountain That Rides.

    Gregor and Sandor would be a neat pair of characters to submit to some game. A pair of Fighters?

  • CyrosCyros Registered User
    edited June 2010
    Rius wrote: »

    Gregor and Sandor would be a neat pair of characters to submit to some game. A pair of Fighters?

    Would be awesome to RP out the animosity between those two.

  • ironzergironzerg Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Keep in mind a few things with the Paladin/Warlock builds:

    1) Marks don't stack. Hence either your or the defender can have something marked. Overwriting each others marks could possibly have some very bad consequences, especially for defenders who's key defense abilities proc off their marks.

    2) Range attacks are subject to AoO's. If you're planning on being in the middle of the melee, your may be subjecting yourself to a lot of extra beat down if you're trying to use your main warlock powers.

    3) Marking is a minor action. Cursing is a minor action.

    4) Playing a hybrid means you have to split your powers equally between the two classes. When you start getting 2 encounters and 2 dailies, etc, you're going to have to take Paladin powers, which may severely gimp your damage output, versus a warlock tossing out pure warlock love.

    If you're trying to be mostly a striker, you're probably much better of going straight Warlock. Looking at most cases, you're almost always going to be doing less damage per round, especially in fights against single targets than a pure striker class. If you want to keep the concept, but be more of a pure striker, the Avenger class has a great mix of melee with some range powers, as well as a lot of neat tricks to entice creatures to hit or run, plus they carrying a lot of survivability, without sacrificing the damage output of pure striker.

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  • KayKay What we need... Is a little bit of PANIC.Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Thanks for the input, ironzerg. :)

    1) I understand that marks can be overwritten, and you need to be aware of it. My RL/maptools group has two defenders, a Warden and a Paladin. The Warden's the main tank, the Paladin's mainly strikerish (she does crazy damage) and off-tanks anything that goes for the squishies, so I have a little experience.

    2) Yep, the idea to keep putting Dire Radiance on enemies would include a shift away. If I can't, she's got a big AoE push in a close burst, and Enfeebling Strike as an at-will, which helps the defendery portion.

    3) That's one of the biggest problems. Thing is, both curse and Divine Challenge are persistent, as long as I continue to engage the marked target. I can engage at range with Dire Radiance, or by ending next to them, so my minor'd be free to spread the curses around.

    4) Got that covered, too. My plan at level 3 is to pick up Righteous Smite for temp HP all round, or to retrain Arms of Hadar for Dazzling Flare, and pick up either Delban's Deadly Attention, Frigid Darkness, or Hands of Ihbar, if Arms of Hadar was proving too deadly to the rest of my party to use.

    The point with this character though, is the concept above everything else. The gods are dead, she believes truly in her heart that these otherworldly creatures that have contacted her are indeed the gods returning to the world, but she's being misled. She's taken up sword, shield and armor to act as their champion, but all her power comes from the stars themselves. She is, to all observers, a paladin of the gods returned - that's the concept behind her. It wouldn't really work as a pure Warlock or Avenger. (Though Warlock and Avenger are my outright favorite strikers, I think.)

    Anyhow, going to submit a Rogue idea tomorrow. That'll be a pure striker through and through. :)

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  • AegisAegis Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    2nd and last application (and I actually found a picture for it in less than 20 hours like the stupid drow pic took):

    Thurr'n Skycrasher, Dragonborn Barbarian

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    Background:
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    Personality:
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  • ironzergironzerg Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I just read your character bio, and what you were trying to do mechanically, and it screamed "Avenger!" to me.

    Particularly:
    Spoiler:

    I don't see any reason why if these "voices" are giving you access to paladin powers, the same couldn't be worked out for Avengers. After all, Avengers don't have to worship a god. In fact, I think my Divine Power book actually has some verbiage about Avengers who follow concepts or ideals, which is perfect for your idea with "The Stars".

    Plus, the mix of powers works really, really well conceptually with what you're trying to do with the hybrid, with virtually none of the disadvantages. Might be worth a look at while you're working up on the rogue.

    Otherwise, I'll shut up. Sincerely trying to be helpful here. I'm 100% with you on concept over mechanics, so I just wanted to point out there may be a more effective archetype for your concept 8-)

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  • KayKay What we need... Is a little bit of PANIC.Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Well, as one of the avenues I wanted to explore was the slow corruption of a noble ideal due to the powers being granted by beings from beyond the stars doing their thing... Warlock powers and flavour fit more than Avenger, I feel. Avengers are more direct and brutal, while Lyssa's meant to be a little more indirect, and the extra tanking ability, I feel, works best with the 'protector of the faith' concept.

    Plus, plate armour and shield... Something more noble about platemail, sword and shield, as opposed to a manic zealot in a robe with a massive two-hander. :D Anyhow, this is straying dangerously off-topic, so we can continue to discuss things in PM if you want.

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  • licwidcakelicwidcake Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    For your consideration:

    Berten Broadcloak, dwarf repeating crossbow ranger and guerrilla fighter
    http://4e.orokos.com/sheets/2106

    Background:
    Spoiler:

    Mannerism and Personality:
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    Icon:
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    As for me, I'm in 1 pbp and follow several other on the boards cause they are interesting. I have DM'd 1 full session and several mini adventures with my friends and played as character about as much.

  • adventfallsadventfalls Why would you wish to know? Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Revamped my build a bit. Fingers crossed.

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  • AegisAegis Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Huh that's weird. Orokos seems to be adding both incendary dagger properties to your fire at-will power damage, adventfalls. I would have thought only one applies since the spells are only going through one implement?

    Edit: Hmm, apparently there is a rules clarification question pertaining to exactly this point about dual-wielding implements, neat. You're still missing 1 feat though since Expertise should be a free feat.

  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    I present Roquon Slatevein for submission. I wanted to be specific with a clan name for his history, but figured that might be mildly stepping on your toes, so you may feel free to choose, or give me permission to name them myself, if you prefer. Also, I am super bad at using any sort of picture editing software with which I could have cropped off one of his horns, but oh well.

    Also, he throws a fucking Execution Axe at motherfuckers, which is awesome as shit.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Dalequan may be better than the rest of the known world, but it's no utopia. There isn't a ton of land to farm, or a ton of forests to hunt, so food isn't as plentiful as it should be. There is very little trade with the outside, so materials are often scarce. There is not enough work for everyone, and crime is a problem, especially in the more urban areas. The King's guards and mages have enough trouble keeping the boarders of the nation and do not have sufficient time or manpower to properly police the country. And for that, no one blames them, or the King, because they are aware of the terrible state of the world.

    But sometimes, someone will need something looked into that the Guard simply can't. A business deal gone wrong, a missing person, a theft of valuable goods, or something more sinister. Private investigators have popped up around Dalequan for just these kinds of situations. They have formed the beginnings of a network, whereby they can work together, share information, and direct clients to investigators that are better suited for their particular problem. It is not a perfect network, and not everyone in it can be trusted, but it is a start. These investigators have the blessing of the King, and at times he or the Guard even employ one of them when manpower is especially short.

    Iados is one of these investigators, and he must be good at it, as he caught the eye of the King for this secret and most important mission.

    As a Tiefling, he occupies a unique position in this world. Some people hate and mistrust his kind, blaming them for the disappearance of the gods. Others see no connection between the two. While the official government position is that Tieflings are to be treated as any other race, he was refused admittance to the Archmage's academy, and he believe his race may have to do with it. Rather than pursuing another means of learning arcane magic, he turned his considerable natural talents inwards, cultivating his psionic talent, and tailoring it to his chosen profession of investigator.

    Note: I am not going to hold on to the stupid overpowered first level powers for the entire game so don't worry about me cheesing/spamming Mind Thrust or whatever every round.

    e: I've played in a few PBP's, and in a few real life games (one currently ongoing). I am going to try to start running a real life game soon.

  • Abysmal LynxAbysmal Lynx Registered User
    edited July 2010
    Okay, here's another character. It's a Revenant|Tiefling Wizard|Warlock. One question; do you mind if I start out proficient with Tomes? I can remake him to focus on wands if you want.

    Character Sheet:
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    Background:
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  • adventfallsadventfalls Why would you wish to know? Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Re-revamped with missing feat. Thanks Aegis.

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  • hippofanthippofant Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Okay, here's another character. It's a Revenant|Tiefling Wizard|Warlock. One question; do you mind if I start out proficient with Tomes? I can remake him to focus on wands if you want.

    Uh... say what? Don't Hybrid Warlock/Wizards get Tome proficiency by default? I ... can't mind it any more than I mind the class combo...

  • Abysmal LynxAbysmal Lynx Registered User
    edited July 2010
    You really think they would, wouldn't you.

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  • hippofanthippofant Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    You really think they would, wouldn't you.

    ??? My CB says they do. PHB3 Hybrid rules:
    Implements: You can wield the implements of both classes. and you can use implement powers from either class (and from those classes' paragon paths) through the implements of either class. For example,
    a cleric/warlock can use Implement powers from either class through holy symbols, rods, and wands.

  • Abysmal LynxAbysmal Lynx Registered User
    edited July 2010
    Oh, cool. when I was looking at the Wizard Hybrid class, it didn't have tomes on it's list, but I guess it was an oversight or something.

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  • bratrbratr Registered User
    edited July 2010
    bratr wrote: »
    I see your divine powers and raise you Mikal the Human Wizard

    He uses fire and doesn't get the Burning Blizzard Feat cause I want Flaming sphere. A level 3 wand would be really nice too :winky:

    Background to come its late right now.

    Here's the long overdue Background: I really like this character actually. Despite initally jsut saying, hey lets make an arcane controller, He has taken on a life of his own, as is neccassary.

    Mikal is a wizard of the Alabaster Tower. The name used to represent the purity and unity of the tower. Now it just meant the tower was slightly white. Inside its walls constant turmoil raged. When the gods disapeared the wizards were split. Many who studied religion as much as arcana locked themselves in one floor of the tower, trying to atone for the sins of the world and bring back gods. The other wizards are pretty sure that floor contains only the dead, yet just in case a magic spell bipasses that floor when taking the stairs.

    The current state is one of multiple factions fighting for control of the tower, mainly beuracracy. In a rare moment of clarity however the tower appointed Mikal, a newly fully trained wizard, to go into the world to:

    1) Assess the situation outside
    2) Make sure the gods are really gone and not just really quiet (he's not sure what that means exactly but decided not to ask)
    3) Bring back information on location of religious relics
    if the gods are just being really quite, then he is to
    1) Report back
    2) Find the gods
    3) Confront them. <- ok this one again, he knows is insane.

    And so Mikal has set out, travelling city to city. Defending himself from the chaos with equally chaotic fire magic.

    Status:
    Full level Wizard of the Alabaster Tower, Flame Wizard, Unseated, Faction: Undecided

    Description:
    Wears blue robes with red trimming and carries a red wand, his "death stick". He has black uncombed hair and a short trimmed anchor beard.

    Personality:
    While he can be strong willed he chooses not to be. He lets others lead and goes with the flow till he believes it is neccasary to force his case, in which case his intelect, will, and arcana skill usually make a strong case.
    He is quite easy going. He knows he isn't very strong and so he doesn't handle confrontation well, avoiding it for the most part if he can.

  • ironzergironzerg Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Oh, cool. when I was looking at the Wizard Hybrid class, it didn't have tomes on it's list, but I guess it was an oversight or something.

    A tome is a superior implement, meaning you have to take "Superior Implement Training" feat to be able to use one.

    It's the same as a cleric or warlock's superior implement, or even analogous to a barbarian or avenger taking "Superior Weapon Training" to use a full-blade or execution axe.

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  • Abysmal LynxAbysmal Lynx Registered User
    edited July 2010
    Makes sense. If that character gets selected I know what his next feat is!

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  • KayKay What we need... Is a little bit of PANIC.Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Kinda light on Leaders and Controllers, but plenty of everything else. Maybe I should submit one of those classes as a second, rather than another Striker.

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  • WoogityWoogity Registered User
    edited July 2010
    ironzerg your post on hybrid pallylocks was kind of what i was trying to get at, thanks for putting that in less awkward wording, my next app is a Brawler/Runepriest, and as someone who primarily plays defenders, im terrified of a striker being able to override my mark.

    Spoiler:

    the game assassino_O
  • RiusRius Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    ironzerg wrote: »
    Oh, cool. when I was looking at the Wizard Hybrid class, it didn't have tomes on it's list, but I guess it was an oversight or something.

    A tome is a superior implement, meaning you have to take "Superior Implement Training" feat to be able to use one.

    It's the same as a cleric or warlock's superior implement, or even analogous to a barbarian or avenger taking "Superior Weapon Training" to use a full-blade or execution axe.

    This is all sorts of wrong.

    Tomes are a type of normal implement that ordinary Wizards can choose to use from level one, without a feat, just like wands, staves and orbs.

    Superior Implements are upgraded versions of normal implements that provide additional benefits if you have spent the feat to be able to use them. For example, an Accurate Staff gives a +1 to all attacks made with it.

    I can't check the compendium right now, but it seems to me that hybrid wizards should have Tomes on their implement list. If they don't, that seems very dumb, but the feat you need is Arcane Implement Proficiency.

  • WoogityWoogity Registered User
    edited July 2010
    Regdar of TensaHuman Hybrid Fighter/Runepriest this is a defender submission btw

    Background
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    Appearance and Personality
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    please check out this build im pretty proud of it :D

    Spoiler:

    the game assassino_O
  • ironzergironzerg Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Rius wrote: »
    ironzerg wrote: »
    Oh, cool. when I was looking at the Wizard Hybrid class, it didn't have tomes on it's list, but I guess it was an oversight or something.

    A tome is a superior implement, meaning you have to take "Superior Implement Training" feat to be able to use one.

    It's the same as a cleric or warlock's superior implement, or even analogous to a barbarian or avenger taking "Superior Weapon Training" to use a full-blade or execution axe.

    This is all sorts of wrong.

    Tomes are a type of normal implement that ordinary Wizards can choose to use from level one, without a feat, just like wands, staves and orbs.

    Superior Implements are upgraded versions of normal implements that provide additional benefits if you have spent the feat to be able to use them. For example, an Accurate Staff gives a +1 to all attacks made with it.

    I can't check the compendium right now, but it seems to me that hybrid wizards should have Tomes on their implement list. If they don't, that seems very dumb, but the feat you need is Arcane Implement Proficiency.

    Sorry for the confusion. I was looking at the PHB. It looks like Tomes were added in the Arcane Powers handbook, which was added to the proficiency list for Wizards.

    So yes, you do have proficiency with the "tome" implement as a hybrid class.

    However, if you wish to use a superior version which has additional benefits, then you'll need the feat.

    Thanks for the clarification. I love how the extra books start to make things all kinds of interesting :winky:

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Another character, since there aren't many Leaders submitted.

    Qartiss, Half-Elf Ardent/Bard Hybrid

    Background:
    Spoiler:

    Appearance:
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  • CyrosCyros Registered User
    edited July 2010
    So you're like a hybrid master?

  • hippofanthippofant Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    ... I could run this with an all hybrid party... Hmm :P

  • 3clipse3clipse Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    hippofant wrote: »
    ... I could run this with an all hybrid party... Hmm :P

    People certainly seem to be excited about them.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Cyros wrote: »
    So you're like a hybrid master?

    If by "hybrid master" you mean I have mastered the art of making hybrid characters, then yes.

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  • AegisAegis Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    hippofant wrote: »
    ... I could run this with an all hybrid party... Hmm :P

    2 Paladins, 3 Warlocks, a Wizard, Fighter, & Runepriest!

  • bratrbratr Registered User
    edited July 2010
    hippofant wrote: »
    ... I could run this with an all hybrid party... Hmm :P

    I disagree purely on the basis that it removes me from the running.

    Although it would certainly be an interesting game.

  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Hey, I submitted a Leader/Leader hybrid, which means he's all leader.

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  • bratrbratr Registered User
    edited July 2010
    or is he more than just all leader, he is a leader x2

  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Double the Leader, Double the buffs.

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  • bratrbratr Registered User
    edited July 2010
    Double the ego as well it seems.

  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    bratr wrote: »
    Double the ego as well it seems.

    Did you see his Charisma score?

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  • WoogityWoogity Registered User
    edited July 2010
    only downside of an all hybrid party far as i can tell is that the leader would only get 1 heal per encounter unless they were a hybrid leader/leader. also i think there are so many of them because lets be honest, who dosnt want to have a one of a kind character? and with enough time spent working on the build they can be pretty damn strong esp at low lvl too.

    Spoiler:

    the game assassino_O
  • BrodyBrody SeattleRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Cotillion, Halfling Rogue/Warlock

    Background:
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    Appearance:
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