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Walmart Spends $2M To Save $7K (Or, Why Regulations Do Matter)
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The greedier we are as a society, the worse our corporations will be.
What does looking over Wal-Mart's shoulder even mean? Is Wal-Mart afraid they'll be banned from having Black Friday sales in crowds exceed 2,000 waiting customers? Are they afraid OSHA won't let them advertise big sales in the paper for fear of drawing unruly crowds?
Don't be absurd, the free market can never fail, and this is exactly what [STRIKE]Jesus would want[/STRIKE] JESUS DIED FOR YOUR SINS.
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Cops were there and helping. Barricades were up.
Barricades were fucking set up.
I'm quoting myself in the spoiler...
Get your workers out of harm's way, don't send them to open the doors and set off the bomb.
"Taking any precaution" isn't the standard. Taking the necessary precautions is.
Kay! Some people disagree with that! Including the family of the dead employee who was trampled.
First off, other contemporary reports note that no cops were present.
Second, barricades are not, on their own, enough. Crowd management is not just about putting physical barriers, but about managing the crowd's mindset and expectations. This was not done.
Except that the article you quoted doesn't say what your claiming. Working with the police doesn't mean any were on site or that the police had inspected the set up of the store prior to opening or that Wal-mart received or followed any advice given them by the police.
Aren't you a cop? I'm curious because would the police really advise you to use a human chain to slow a surging crowd? Especially with people not train to deal with the situation?
Ask any club owner. You don't get covered just because you asked a cop/lawyer if your security was 'enough'. You are obligated to make sure people don't get hurt or your ass is definitely going to get litigated.
Walmart isn't ignoring all responsibility. Settling with the injured and the families of the deceased has already been done.
This battle has to do with OSHA regulations. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about it, but it is a whole different beast.
And I work for Walmart.
On one hand, take the damned company for all that they're worth. OSHA doesn't even begin to touch the surface as far as fining walmart for most things that they should.
On the other hand, the more money that the company has to pay out for stuff like this, the less money i see in my bonus (not that it matters because my store sucks so damn bad that we don't even qualify for a bonus on our own merit, let alone the company's).
Should Walmart be fined? Hell yes. Have they already paid damages/restitutions/etc? Yes, I believe that they have. Is OSHA behind on the times? Yes, slightly.
I'm still waiting on my settlement check from the 'forcing workers to work off the clock/forgo breaks and shorten lunches' class action suit from last year sometime. Don't remember how much that settlement was going to be, but i think it was like $200/person or something, and it affected about 13 different states.
You have to fight through some bad days, to earn the best days of your life.
Get out while you can.
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So I'm guessing they actually do that shit. Sucks.
Some do, because the management at those stores are assholes. The two in this area both demand that workers not work off the clock. If a customer asks them a question while they're off the clock they are required to say "I'm sorry, but I'm off the clock right now." Helping that customer can get them into serious trouble.
I am getting $5
My quarterly bonus tanked from 200+ to less then 20 in the last year the bosses are very cryptic and vauge when asked why one muttered something about they changed the rules and will answer anything else when pressed further
One guy said at the last one when we were getting $17 "This is not enough to buy weed!" I just hung my head in shame because I work with a sex offender whom we have to watch and make sure he behaves and some real losers
I will answer questions if I am off the clock and heading to the door if someone asks
But things like this are a problem where I work
Yes it's a pile of trash I have no idea what is going on but there are days it piles but and no one picks it up
But holy shit, what is with that pile of trash leech?
But then the holiday messed with the garbage collection or something and the dumpster didn't get emptied. So now we're putting the trash out to the side. Which is great when yuo have to take it out the grocery receiving doors and walk to the dumpster down my GM receiving (across the back of the store for those not familiar). Even more fun doing that in downpouring rain and lightning.
Yes, I've forgone my breaks (i did last night) in order to get work done, yes I will help a customer if i'm off the clock and heading to the door if they ask a simple question.
Delro-- I'm getting out at the end of the year. I'm moving to new Zealand in Feb and Walmart can't hold me any longer than that! mwahahahah!!
You have to fight through some bad days, to earn the best days of your life.
Unfortunately the people who see a fallen person in front of them cannot stop no matter how much they might want to. That's how crowd surges work. The back pushes. You either move with them or you're trampled. Walmart employees should have run away rather than try to stop them...
What the fucking fuck, don't people know how to throw trash down the goddamn compactor chute?
We didn't have that problem at my store. The only big problems we faced in the back of the store was 1) the cardboard bale maker, in that nobody would fucking make a bale and 2) the overstock area was a goddamn mess. We had changed over to a scan in + out system when I was working there, and for some reason someone during the day was wiping the section for my aisle off the computer system. Like, only my aisle. It was the start of some day time vs. night time bullshit.
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pushing in the first place is incredibly dangerous is kind of the point. it's kind of like firing a gun wildly in to a crowd. sure, you aren't aiming for anybody, but you still could kill them
And this is why I hate WalMart, because they expect their employees to do shit like this. In California, if you don't get a break? Bonus hour of regular pay. Help a customer when you're off the clock? No, you were really on the clock, and management has to change it. Of course, WalMart banks on the ignorance of employees, that they will be to scared to report violations like these, and that is how WalMart gets away with it.
WalMart does everything it can to fuck over its employees just so they can make a teensy bit more profit in the short term. Oh, and if you unionize? They close the whole fucking store.
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
Even if it were impossible, which it isn't, then the correct thing would be not to hold Black Friday sales if they prevent an unmitigated danger to employees. Surely no one here would condone a "bring your improvised explosive device to shop and get 50% any order of $100 or more" sale? That's taking it to the absurd, but it still demonstrates that some promotions are too inherently risky to allow regardless of the cautions taken.
Yeah. If they are spending $2 mil to avoid potential $70K fines, the only conclusion is that they intend to kill multiple workers through bad policy in the future, or they aren't addressing it from a cost / benefit perspective and feel they have a right to kill employees through bad policy. Neither looks good for them.
wallmart didn't get to big so big by being stupid with their money
Man I'm waiting for that check from 4 years ago. It's pretty much Dukew nukem forever at this point
I no longer work for purgatory mart but I will say at my store safety was maybe tenth to cowtowing to customer demands. So yeah OSHA might be a little late
The crowd busting down doors was a foreseeable situation?
They are incredibly stupid with their money.
They got so big because Sam Walton was actually competent and for the most part treated his employees as people . His death pretty much marked the end of the company and the beginning of a shithole that looks at Coal Labor camps of the early 20th century with teary eyes and says " Man those guys were geniuses" .
I don't mind trying to get my work done correctly. I work in a fresh area, if I don't do my cleaning properly in the back, then I could (in theory) get somebody sick.
Here's my biggest problem, I've worked for 2 walmarts, one in maine and one here in delaware. And here's my issue so far, there is absolutely NO consistency from store to store. On the big stuff, sure. But the little things (haha little things) like the cleaning procedures? Up in Maine, it was the LAW. You did your 5 Steps (tm). Down here... Eh. If you get around to it, go for it. But you don't really need to do all 5... Even just one is a good thing.
I won't even go into just what the USDA/FDA would say/think if they came back through our area..... Just, gross. I'm doing what I can to keep the place clean, but I'm working against a huge handicap.
I just tell myself its only for 5 more months...
You have to fight through some bad days, to earn the best days of your life.
Yes? Its not like it hadn't happened before.
Yeah, no. Walton created the Walmart environment.
Yes, it was. Read the thread for an explanation.
just going to waltz in without reading the rest of the thread or supporting your opinion huh?
So yeah, retroactive fines are as unnecessary as your snarkyness.
Good thing these fines aren't retroactive then, huh?
This seems like a problem of police incompetence or lack of resources, and the individual members of the mob more than anything. The police were called... where did they go?
But according to the very first article in the thread, they are. The article you posted.
Care to point out where the article says exactly that?
By the way, you might want to actually read the thread - the argument you're trying to make was argued and debunked in it.