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Roman Polanski: he made a thriller
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Lots of countries with extradition treaties with the U.S. refuse to extradite prisoners for specific reasons. Notably in death penalty cases.
my unofficial autobio will be accompanied with tips on how to smile
cause I've found that when they don't see you frown, they never know that you're a threat
and they don't sweat you when you came around
Nor is there a lack of evidence. The guy kind of pleaded guilty and ran.
It's pretty open and shut.
Wow dude, you should definitely get a job at Fox News or another credible source of truthiness for that brilliant insight.
Also read the quote that said the general feeling is that the Swiss government is uncomfortable with how old the charges are.
Also, get over yourself. I'm not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination.
Since you seem to be so well versed in Swiss Expedition policies, tell us, why AREN'T they expediting him?
Because they have significantly stronger cultural and political relation with France and were recently antagonized by the US. There really doesn't need to be anything more to it, unfortunately.
Or ya know, tell me whats going to fix this so that rapist doesn't get to continue living a life of luxury on the back of a despicable crime.
Do you agree with josh's brilliant and enlightened take on this situation? Let's repeat it for clarity:
Yes, clearly the Swiss arrested Polanski and then kept him under house arrest for months, just to stick it real good to America.
Let's look at that statement again, I'll bold a pretty hilarious section of it
Apparently they wanted him so much they weren't willing to release 30 year old court documents. Why is everyone ignoring those documents? What's in those transcripts that is so damaging that the US is willing to let a child rapist walk?
He's a confessed child rapist and pornographer who fled justice before sentencing. His arguments about serving his sentence in a psychological evaluation center in which he didn't even stay the allotted period are legally, ethically and morally incoherent.
He was rich and famous so the Swiss said child rapists 1 common decency 0 and let him go. The extradition treaty does not require the US to provide the information the Swiss are blaming this on. It only requires (in the case of convicted ppl) the arrest warrant and some basic information on the trial and if applicable the sentencing. There is no requirement on detailed information regarding the decision process of sentencing, only the final conclusion if one has been reached (which it had not at)
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
I don't know why you're being so acerbic towards me in particular. The Swiss made it perfectly clear that while they don't think there was a reason not to extradite, they believe we didn't give them enough of a reason to extradite.
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So instead of them refusing because there was a good reason that existed in the request to refuse, they refused because there wasn't a good enough reason not to refuse. I guess having an admitted child rapist wandering free wasn't a good enough reason. But this isn't about extradition or justice, let's at least be honest about that. This is about politics, both with France and the entertainment industry.
But really, what's in those documents that the US is willing to let a child-rapist walk over?
Who cares
The Swiss government cited "national interests" and "the possible but unknown presence of a mistake in the request for extradition"
It's pretty clear that the U.S. is not the country who kept Polanski from being extradited
People in Hollywood will even come out and excuse your actions as not being "rape rape."
And posters on the internet will smugly ignore what Polanksi did because they have a hard-on against American foreign policy.
Rigorous Scholarship
God, this. Even if the U.S. did somehow botch this up, and you really have to go through some serious mental gymnastics to get there, who the fuck cares? The man pled guilty before fleeing justice.
We didn't give them documents that were completely unnecessary for his extradition, and wouldn't have been required for anybody who wasn't even close to being as famous! The U.S. is in the wrong!
Because when you plead guilty to a crime in the U.S., the only thing left in a trial is sentencing. Innocent until proven guilty, right? Well, if you walk into a courtroom and say, "I'm guilty," we can pretty much lose the presumption of innocence. Then when you flee the country to escape the sentencing to the crime you admitted to, I think we can call that an even bigger mockery of the justice system than simply running away while saying you were wrongfully accused.
"Yeah, I did it, but I'm not going to be punished for it!"
Dog the Bounty Hunter?
In reality, nothing. Polanski's probably fucking a 12 year old right now in celebration.
Except that there are plenty of reasons why someone would end up pleading guilty as part of a plea bargain that do not involve them actually being guilty. So it doesn't actually tell us anything.
If the Swiss judges were worried that misconduct had taken place, then I think it's their right to deny the extradition request. Certainly I don't see an American court acting any differently in that position.
Unless the Swiss are going to argue that a prominent, wealthy film director, who could afford the best attorneys available, was somehow railroaded to plead to a crime he didn't commit?
Rich celebrities getting wrongfully convicted of crimes is an epidemic in this country. That's why OJ has been sitting in prison for years, even though all the evidence clearly showed he was innocent.....
Rigorous Scholarship
PantsB covered that quiet correctly above. Guilt is absolutely irrelevant for the extradition procedure. The desire to trial alone is enough.
Just curious.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7104773.html
Next time I flee justice I'll just use the ol' "I didn't know I could be be extradited" defense.
Yes?
Its rape of a minor.
This is a terrible argument, because even if it's true, we'd still be complete assholes.
He raped a 13 year old. He admits this.
Thanks that didn't answer a thing.
Again, what do YOU think is their reasoning for not extraditing (I was using the wrong term before, my apologies) a confessed rapist, child molester, and man who fled from justice?
I was under the impression that they don't fucking NEED 30 year old documents when all they need to release is the statement that says he admitted to it.
I'm not sure how you hand over papers saying someone didn't do something they were supposed to do. Maybe a paper that says "TIME SERVED BY MR. POLANSKI" with "ZERO HOURS" on it?
Because it makes it pretty clear that he is guilty and there's no good reason ("They didn't release these papers they asked for!" is being silly) that he isn't being extradited?
I'm really kind of curious what the papers could've POSSIBLY had in them that would make it easier to extradite him.
For a child rapist? I'd hope so. The US gave Noriega to France on money laundering in April, 3 years after he had already completed his US prison term. The US gave Suwit Prasoprat, a US citizen, to Thailand on drug charges - and Thailand is not a place you want to be brought up on drug charges in, some drug charges are punishable by death there. And the charge against Prasoprat, smuggling 3 kilos of heroin for distribution, is one of those capital offenses.
If some country had asked for the extradition of a rapist who had publicly plead guilty with the current administration and government?
Yeah, I think we'd have done it. For no other reason than child molesters trigger the FOR THE CHILDREN voting block.
Well, technically, doesn't the plea bargain agreement state something like,
"Mr. Polanski, 44, had a consensual encounter with a 13-year-old girl, during which he performed sex acts on her she probably didn't even know the word for, and the fact that he got her drunk and gave her Qualludes is a complete coincidence", even throwing in an angle on how this grade-school kid may have "seduced" a middle-aged man?
Amazingly, the state was willing to accept such an absurd story, which goes to show just how far money will take you. But of course Polanski couldn't be bothered to serve out a very lenient sentence (something like 90 days?) on these ridiculously reduced charges.
I'm also kind of curious as to whether he was ever charged with making child pornography. He more or less admitted to that, too IIRC.