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My underage brother is planning a beer pong tournament
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Graduated in 08, so not too long really. So did you guys burn through like 5000 cups a night? We reused stuff before we stared using 'side cups' or just drinking from a bottle/can.
Salmon-ed for wrong.
Hey you know what happens when teens binge drink and then get in a car and go 80 down a back road? They kill themselves and/or other people.
Hey you know what happens during beer pong tournaments? Binge drinking.
The responsible thing has already happened. There is no wet blanket or sissypants-ness going on. Murphy had the right advice.
Unless you like some innocent lady going to jail because her 20 year old son was a dumbfuck. It may have never happened, or maybe they're responsible, but it doesn't take away from the fact that he's not legal and anything that happens because of it is the mother's fault.
If he were 21? What ever he wants to do, it's his life to throw away. Don't advocate the mother taking the heat for his bad decisions because of it.
Hey Murphy, for whatever it means, you're one stand up guy.
It must be rough getting disheartened whenever someone has different opinions from your own. If you ask me thinking you have the be-all and end-all on morality is an immature state of mind.
according to Wikipedia, you can serve in Canada's military at 18 and can't drink until 19 in most provinces. also according to Wikipedia alcohol is illegal in a lot of Muslim countries. imagine having to live in Pakistan and not even being allowed to drink.
like i said we just poured the cups off the table into our own cup.
edit; wow Bowen you made some bad assumptions, dude. what's it like being a member of the temperance movement
I was not aware that the laws of the United States were opinion.
that's drinking and driving, different crime dude. i wasn't talking about that. That is terrible regardless of your age. When you take driving off the table? What happens during binge drinking? you get real sick and learn a lesson. obviously, there are exceptions if you are super dumb and get alcohol poisoning and die, but then the only victim is yourself unless you want to get all existential.
If you want proof just check out how laws are different everywhere.
Or, maybe, charging cover to the illegal party?
Yeah see all those things are illegal. That's the dumbest part of this whole thread. Seriously. What is wrong with you all? I mean they're a little buzzed, that's all, they can totally drive home. They had enough foresight not to do something illegal in the first place right?
But laws elsewhere do not pertain to this specific instance, good sir. If this were taking place in Canada, for example, it would not be an issue, nor would the thread have been made.
I disagree with some laws. As my first reply on the first page stated, I do not believe the legal drinking age in the United States should be twenty-one years old. I also see no reason why marijuana should not be decriminalized. However, that is how the law is here, so I abide by the laws put in place since I choose to live here.
Yeah actually, in my experience underage drinking parties were often sleepover parties as well. you are making lots of assumptions and claiming that because i'm not against one thing, i am also not against something that might happen because of it.
I'd much rather crash on someone's floor that stroll into my parents house at 2am, or whenever, drunk.
what's amazing about it?
Well, put it into perspective. This is a video game related message forum, frequented by a high number of children and immature people. A lot of which have already been jaded by years of being on the internet, not to mention what their definition of "fun" is. Add on top of that the fact that this entire thread was a guy posting on the internet and asking anonymous strangers what he should do to handle a situation that arouse in his real life.
In summary: "Hey, random video game playing anonymous strangers, is my brother breaking the law bad? What about if it negatively effects others, like my mother, for example?"
No one is, actually.
People are worried about the parent's liability and the status of the house after a facebook announcement.
And seriously. No one in this thread has been all pearl-clutchy about underage drinking. We're worried about liability for the parents.
and druhim's comment.
i can fully understand the 'parent's house' argument.
You are a real winner.
Is the only difference because you are considered a legal adult at 18? Since a 20-year-old drinking is apparently OK because the legal drinking age is 21, what if the legal drinking age was changed to 18? Does that mean that a 17-year-old drinking underage when then too be OK?
I think it is an interesting discussion, honestly. I have never really understood all the reliance on age for a lot of things, personally. Like not being able to run for president unless you are 35 years old.
But it's not okay, they just got away with it. Same way that speeding is okay until you're caught, then it's "get me out of this ticket!"
have you ever heard of a victimless crime? 17 year olds in porn or at war are being exploited. a 17 year old drinking a beer is not being exploited.
And when that 17 year old is driving drunk because they're too young to comprehend the consequences and t-bones a car full of people doing 50? Are you still going to claim that's victimless?
people also keep saying underage drinking = drinking and driving. not true.
I think we're assuming everyone at the party will be at least 20, what if some minors attend and get injured/arrested? That opens an even worse pandora's box of legal problems.
holy crap, drunk driving is a crime.
This is precisely how I envisioned it when reading a lot of the replies in this thread as well.
If this was a sleepover, drinking and driving would probably not be such a concern.
I'm sure it's not. Pretty much any "I'm not drinking at home" scenario plays out with drunk driving. That's like saying "gee it's raining, but I don't hear thunder so thunder is impossible."
I'm totally a shark.
Yeah it actually is. So is killing people. Or damaging property. Or underage drinking. Or speeding too probably. Or failing to yield. Well those last ones probably won't land you in jail unless you're doing 50 in a 20 or a school zone.
A 20-year-old is going to drink. There is no victim here. He may puke and pass out, but he's harming no one but himself. If he decides to drive, that is a completely different issue that has nothing to do with the fact that he's drinking illegally.
However, a 20-year-old is going to drink in his parents' house and invite a whole bunch of underage people over. This is a problem. The crime is being committed by the 20-year-old, but the victim is the parents. There is high potential for harm.
Many independent-minded people choose to ignore or dismiss certain laws, not because they think it doesn't apply to them, but because they think it's fundamentally useless. When they ignore those laws in a way that causes risk only to themselves, it's illegal, but not harmful and not morally wrong. When they ignore those laws in a way that causes risk to others (whether or not the risk comes from the law itself) it's harmful and morally wrong.
So having a party and inviting other people over should be illegal, because it will inevitably lead to drunk driving?
this is why ya'll are wrong, just read it.
Yes, he's advertising "drunk teenagers and lots of booze and cash on hand".
A local criminal or bunch of criminals are going to look at that and read "FREE MONEY! COME AND TAKE OUR FREE MONEY, POSSESSIONS AND CARS! JUST ADD WEAPONS!"
And you'll also get the guys who think it's A-OK to get girls all liquored up before disappearing into a bedroom with them or taking them "home".
The amount of possible legal charges your brother could be hit with are staggering, as is his stupidity.
Drop the friend's parents an email, and then send a link to your local police department.
I'm not trying to be a buzzkill, but this is a disaster waiting to happen, and if it goes down, everyone involved has the potential to be in deep, deep shit.
Jesus Christ, every single person that have said to "tattle" or be a "sissypants" has said to tell the mother because of the 2nd thing you outlined.
Whoever said it had to be illegal? But yeah, underage kids having a party with alcohol already is. Feel free to ask a cop about it anytime.
Usually involves fines too. A lot of jurisdictions are actually remove parent liability from this though.
Edit: funny enough even if you weren't driving you can lose your license for a long span of time, among other things depending on where you live, how you got it, and where you're drinking.
Yes. Nearly everyone in this thread agreed on what should be done, but disagreed on why. The why is what we're debating.
That's not what I asked. What does being underaged and throwing a party have to do with the potential for drunk driving? What's the difference between a 20-year-old drinking at someone else's house, and a 22-year-old doing it? Why is one illegal, and not the other?
Way to cut out the more relevant part of the post that described the real issue. So, no, we aren't wrong.
I was specifically referring to a few insufferable folks who insist on connecting drunk driving to underage drinking.