Problem Two: By altering it. Punk took Rock and Roll and added the anger of their period. This give something unique to them. Hipsters value the exact opposite. They aren't a creative subculture.
I don’t know what world you live in where young people aren’t creating anything
Not all young people are hipsters.
so what?
have you ever heard of a thing called tumblr?
It's a blogging platform. We had something similar when I was young. We called them notebooks. They also tended to be filled with drivel.
So then your ultimate conclusion is that youth in general is a pretty useless incubation period in which people wait until they become adults and then suddenly their thoughts and opinions become valid?
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Man, I really want a cookie but all there is is carrot cake. Which is delicious, but that last piece is not mine and even if it were it is not a cookie and I want a cookie.
My life is terrible. I'm considering joining the circus.
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Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
This conversation is relevant as I have to write a paper about Duchamp tonight
what are you going to say?
duchamp is the fucking BEST. he was so good at modern art that he went "man, this shit is boring now. I'mma play chess" and he dedicated his life to chess and didn't produce a single artistic piece for like 20 years.
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Like, I was drinking shots of 100 proof rye for five hours, and I'm reading half these posts and going "man what are you guys fucking wasted or something?"
Man, I really want a cookie but all there is is carrot cake. Which is delicious, but that last piece is not mine and even if it were it is not a cookie and I want a cookie.
My life is terrible. I'm considering joining the circus.
My life has been a roller coaster these past few days- cupcakes led to brownies led to carrot cake led to cookies
And all of them actually produced culture. Hipsters seem to do little more then to sort through the refuse pile of cultures gone by.
Problem One: If hipsters hadn't produced a culture, by what rubric would you then accredit hipsterism to someone?
Problem Two: How have other subcultures created other cultures by any means other than re-appropriating the detritus of mainstream culture?
Problem One: Adapting a mixture of various other cultures allow for the creation of a culture. That does not mean that the culture produces anything of value.
Problem Two: By altering it. Punk took Rock and Roll and added the anger of their period. This give something unique to them. Hipsters value the exact opposite. They aren't a creative subculture.
p1: but those very values are only measured, in turn, by the current cultural measurements. If they aren't producing anything of value, perhaps you have to actually analyze what is "valued" and in turn what the cultural implications of that are.
p2: This seems pretty ridiculous. How is "adding anger of the period" altering rock and roll, and how is that adding value. This is a fluff answer, and I do not accept it as valid. What about the thousands of artists who are producing art of far greater cultural value than the punks. Give me a punk artist, and I guarantee you that I can submit a quote hipster unquote (whatever that may mean) whose work is, GASP, shockingly more culturally creative than a punk artist, or at least as much so.
This is such a silly argument, D&D, and I am surprised that you are carrying on like this. Culture and Subculures are rarely anything other than net-neutral -- gains here and losses there which merely alter the course of life, both for better and for worse.
Sure, they are valued on current cultural measurements. You can make up any bullshit measurement you like to defend them but based on the metrics of the last few centuries, they come up short. Admittedly, producing a cultural metric that assigns them value might actually lead them to create something. It would be pretty novel.
And you don't see how adding the anger of rebellion produced a kind of music and movement that differed from cultures that came before it? That it rejected the excesses of mainstream music and added a harder edge to it then music that came before? And you really think you can find a hipster artist that you seriously believe will have as much long term impact on any kind of art as say the Ramones?
Like, I was drinking shots of 100 proof rye for five hours, and I'm reading half these posts and going "man what are you guys fucking wasted or something?"
This conversation is relevant as I have to write a paper about Duchamp tonight
what are you going to say?
duchamp is the fucking BEST. he was so good at modern art that he went "man, this shit is boring now. I'mma play chess" and he dedicated his life to chess and didn't produce a single artistic piece for like 20 years.
It's the first paper in my Freshman comp class, 2-3 pages, so nothing really in-depth
Basically an "is it art?" evaluation looking at L.H.O.O.Q.
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Mine were filled with caged genius.
yes...
we smoked a jay on top of the crotan river dam which was pretty awesome actually. and he held it to my lips which was pretty smooth.
but I think he was too high because he got weirded out at the 7-11 as there were tons of cops there and then asked to be taken home.
i mean i think he wants to go out again
I want a cookie. I think I'll go get one.
And a glass of milk to dunk it in.
Then nappy time.
Things are coming up Milhouse.
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So then your ultimate conclusion is that youth in general is a pretty useless incubation period in which people wait until they become adults and then suddenly their thoughts and opinions become valid?
Well I hope you guys go on another date.
And then have wild awesome sex
Come to PAX
My life is terrible. I'm considering joining the circus.
what league are you these days?
are you watchin' them videos? I'm getting stuck in plat right now. need to step up my game!
what are you going to say?
duchamp is the fucking BEST. he was so good at modern art that he went "man, this shit is boring now. I'mma play chess" and he dedicated his life to chess and didn't produce a single artistic piece for like 20 years.
I KNOW, RIGHT
IT'S 112 FUCKING DEGREES
WHAT'S UP WITH THAT SHIT
do not!
On the black screen
Your life sounds like an indie movie.
This is why I say smoking is a third date activity, at least.
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I watch lots of videos and I enjoy the game but it is hard to get my mechanics good enough!
he's really, really good looking. like I assumed he would be really stupid he's that good looking
you also had old people who said that young people wasn’t producing anything of value
now it’s your turn to be that douche
I HATE INDIE MOVIES
Name/pics or this musing is useless.
well if I knew I'd show you
she's blond, has pretty short hair
kinda like second-key to Olivia Munn
I know right? strange thing is whenever shit like this happens it doesn't feel special, it's just feels like more shit that I'm doing.
My life has been a roller coaster these past few days- cupcakes led to brownies led to carrot cake led to cookies
but now all of it is gone
and i am left with nothing
Your av/sig beg to differ.
no shit, dude
it would be pretty weird if some guy on a pennyfarthing bicycle a hundred years ago was all "man, fuck hipsters"
Man fuck the desert. Why can't they let you guys fight people in a nice temperate climate amirite?
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But he never said that
In fact a few minutes ago he explicitly said he wasn't saying that
don't let your facts get in the way of the righteous rage
On the black screen
Sure, they are valued on current cultural measurements. You can make up any bullshit measurement you like to defend them but based on the metrics of the last few centuries, they come up short. Admittedly, producing a cultural metric that assigns them value might actually lead them to create something. It would be pretty novel.
And you don't see how adding the anger of rebellion produced a kind of music and movement that differed from cultures that came before it? That it rejected the excesses of mainstream music and added a harder edge to it then music that came before? And you really think you can find a hipster artist that you seriously believe will have as much long term impact on any kind of art as say the Ramones?
Let me see that fancy footwork
If that's not the stupidest generalization of the year I'm Vince with the Slap Chop.
does that make me a hipster
it's the second largest handmade structure after the pyramids apparently?
Sometimes it's Jessica Chobot though. And then sometimes it's some lady named Carrie Keegan.
It's the first paper in my Freshman comp class, 2-3 pages, so nothing really in-depth
Basically an "is it art?" evaluation looking at L.H.O.O.Q.
My answer is yes.