It seemed to rely a bit on the police and forensic services being completely useless thereby giving things for Holmes to work out. Godd fun though.
I haven't watched ep 3 yet, so a few things.. I have a sneaking suspicion that
Moriarty is Dr Watsons girlfriend.
I'm probably wrong on that but little things peeked my suspicions in the second ep.
Also, I just don't get the whole police being incompetent at forensics. The UK is a pioneer in modern forensics. Ok, I can perhaps buy the police being incompetent but not forensics.
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I am extremely disappointed that Moriarty is basically
Graham Norton's little brother
Good episode though on the whole. Maybe Moriarty will evolve as a character as the series goes on.
I really have no idea
what was going on with that accent. It started out kind of Lloyd Grossman type Massachusetts and ended up as some kind of odd Northern Irish.
I noticed the thing with the accent too, and I'm wondering if its part of the smoke screen; hiding the truth about his origins to Sherlock. I suppose it could have just been the actor hamming it up. I'm also considering if they're picking the series up for a second run, its possible that is not the real Moriarty and kind of just a mouthpiece for the actual arch-nemesis. Either way, they've got my attention should the show return in a few months time!
I am extremely disappointed that Moriarty is basically
Graham Norton's little brother
Good episode though on the whole. Maybe Moriarty will evolve as a character as the series goes on.
I really have no idea
what was going on with that accent. It started out kind of Lloyd Grossman type Massachusetts and ended up as some kind of odd Northern Irish.
I noticed the thing with the accent too, and I'm wondering if its part of the smoke screen; hiding the truth about his origins to Sherlock. I suppose it could have just been the actor hamming it up. I'm also considering if they're picking the series up for a second run, its possible that is not the real Moriarty and kind of just a mouthpiece for the actual arch-nemesis. Either way, they've got my attention should the show return in a few months time!
I got the impression that the actor was Irish, and told to lose the accent, but failed. I have to admit that I preferred it when Moriarty was just a name. I'm sure the writers will make it work, but knowing that Moriarty is a young adult with accent problems makes him less imposing
I am extremely disappointed that Moriarty is basically
Graham Norton's little brother
Good episode though on the whole. Maybe Moriarty will evolve as a character as the series goes on.
I really have no idea
what was going on with that accent. It started out kind of Lloyd Grossman type Massachusetts and ended up as some kind of odd Northern Irish.
I noticed the thing with the accent too, and I'm wondering if its part of the smoke screen; hiding the truth about his origins to Sherlock. I suppose it could have just been the actor hamming it up. I'm also considering if they're picking the series up for a second run, its possible that is not the real Moriarty and kind of just a mouthpiece for the actual arch-nemesis. Either way, they've got my attention should the show return in a few months time!
I got the impression that the actor was Irish, and told to lose the accent, but failed. I have to admit that I preferred it when Moriarty was just a name. I'm sure the writers will make it work, but knowing that Moriarty is a young adult with accent problems makes him less imposing
I like the idea that he was shifting his accent in an effort to fool with Sherlock, who would be using anything he could to gather more information about Moriarty. It was a little too obvious for it to simply be the actor messing it up, I doubt they would have cast their Moriarty so haphazardly. The ridiculousness of his voice is very much on purpose, so I find it hard to believe the rest wasn't as well.
I am extremely disappointed that Moriarty is basically
Graham Norton's little brother
Good episode though on the whole. Maybe Moriarty will evolve as a character as the series goes on.
I really have no idea
what was going on with that accent. It started out kind of Lloyd Grossman type Massachusetts and ended up as some kind of odd Northern Irish.
I noticed the thing with the accent too, and I'm wondering if its part of the smoke screen; hiding the truth about his origins to Sherlock. I suppose it could have just been the actor hamming it up. I'm also considering if they're picking the series up for a second run, its possible that is not the real Moriarty and kind of just a mouthpiece for the actual arch-nemesis. Either way, they've got my attention should the show return in a few months time!
I got the impression that the actor was Irish, and told to lose the accent, but failed. I have to admit that I preferred it when Moriarty was just a name. I'm sure the writers will make it work, but knowing that Moriarty is a young adult with accent problems makes him less imposing
I like the idea that he was shifting his accent in an effort to fool with Sherlock, who would be using anything he could to gather more information about Moriarty. It was a little too obvious for it to simply be the actor messing it up, I doubt they would have cast their Moriarty so haphazardly. The ridiculousness of his voice is very much on purpose, so I find it hard to believe the rest wasn't as well.
Based on the earlier scene in which M appeared, the actor kept a pretty solid accent-- seemed like a northern one, but I'm no expert on the intricacies of English dialects :P
Shifting the accent around to fool Sherlock makes sense, and...well to go along with his criminal side, perhaps he was being a bit theatric. Sherlock's ego appreciates a good boost now and then (part of the reason in this series he likes keeping Watson around), think about how another criminal genius feels being behind the scenes constantly...bit cabin feverish perhaps? Makes sense he'd be a bit off-balance, and want to really ham it up.
"We knew what we wanted to do with Moriarty from the very beginning. Moriarty is usually a rather dull, rather posh villain so we thought someone who was genuinely properly frightening. Someone who's an absolute psycho," Moffat said.
"In a way Moriarty is the man who makes Sherlock a hero … he's a rather amoral character Sherlock Holmes, so you want someone for him to respond to that turns him into the hero he's sort of destined to be."
I finally got round to watching the last two episodes - the second one wasn't as good as the others overall, but it really picked up in the middle.
The last one, though, was magnificent. Plenty of detectoring and floaty word graphics
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About Holmes and Moriarty:
They're definitely playing up Holmes' asshole side to a degree that we never actually saw in the stories. Holmes in the novels was impatient with the social niceties, but he wasn't a sociopath; he had compassion and empathy and often went beyond merely solving the puzzle to being a dispenser of justice, handing out fitting punishments to the guilty and rewards to the deserving. And in the first two episodes the lack of those humane qualities has kind of bothered me, because instead of being in awe of Cumberbatch's Holmes I just kind of wanted to slap him, and I couldn't tell if that was down to his performance or the writing.
So Moffat's comment gives me hope, because it suggests that what they're doing here is taking the Holmes from the very first story, "A Study in Scarlet," who actually was the kind of young, flip, eminently punchable grad student type that Cumberbatch is playing, and putting him through an arc that wisens and humanizes him through contrast with his heartless doppelganger.
Moriarty's accent seemed fine to me. He was doing different voices because he meant to do different voices, not because his accent slipped unintentionally.
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Yeah, I definitely read the "shifting face of evil" thing going on there. You start out thinking "WHAT, the hospital guy?" and then you realize that there never was a hospital guy to begin with--that was just another identity for him to play out and discard.
Extremely excited to hear there's more coming.
Edit: Did anyone else watching the pre-opening scene think "HOLY SHIT ALAN RICKMAN"?
Complaints about Moriarty are crazy talk. About as crazy as Moriarty.
That was a great performance, he was a genuinely frightening presence, I had no idea what he was going to do, what he could do. He appeared absolutely and totally psychotic, and from the Moffat quote above that's what they were aiming for so good job.
Edit: Did anyone else watching the pre-opening scene think "HOLY SHIT ALAN RICKMAN"?
Yep
Yeah - I even went as far to be impressed that they got him as Moriarty while at the same time thinking that Alan Rickman was getting yet another evil mastermind role :P
Ummmmmmmmm. Really? Grammar policeman? No. I know this is a modern interpretation of Sherlock and all that but one of Sherlock's gifts is being able to comprehend just about anyone given their own mode of conversation, innit? I find it weird that Sherlock would deride a prisoner for Cockney grammar.
Ummmmmmmmm. Really? Grammar policeman? No. I know this is a modern interpretation of Sherlock and all that but one of Sherlock's gifts is being able to comprehend just about anyone given their own mode of conversation, innit? I find it weird that Sherlock would deride a prisoner for Cockney grammar.
Ummmmmmmmm. Really? Grammar policeman? No. I know this is a modern interpretation of Sherlock and all that but one of Sherlock's gifts is being able to comprehend just about anyone given their own mode of conversation, innit? I find it weird that Sherlock would deride a prisoner for Cockney grammar.
Yes, but he's a dick.
Yeah but that's a really lowbrow form of dickery. And I admit that even canon Sherlock isn't above some lowbrow, goading-type dickery from time to time, but I dunno, haven't we already gotten past the "grammar police" kind of argument already? I mean I think it's as outmoded now as "arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics..." kind of nonsense was.
The guy was a murderer. Sherlock was having some fun with him by baiting him.
Clearly I am aware of that. I just feel it is the kind of petty mockery that "Sherlock Holmes" generally doesn't engage in.
Again, I realize this is a modern interpretation and not canon Holmes, but it still irks me. It irks me when someone pulls that grammatarian card here on D&D, so of course it'll irk me when a figure like Sherlock Holmes does it. I tend to associate the practice with silly goosery now.
That's all I'm trying to say.
I love the series though, don't get me wrong. Maybe my gripe is as petty as Holmes' goading was.
The guy was a murderer. Sherlock was having some fun with him by baiting him.
Clearly I am aware of that. I just feel it is the kind of petty mockery that "Sherlock Holmes" generally doesn't engage in.
Again, I realize this is a modern interpretation and not canon Holmes, but it still irks me. It irks me when someone pulls that grammatarian card here on D&D, so of course it'll irk me when a figure like Sherlock Holmes does it. I tend to associate the practice with silly goosery now.
That's all I'm trying to say.
I love the series though, don't get me wrong. Maybe my gripe is as petty as Holmes' goading was.
It's pretty clear that one of the long term goals of the series is to redeem this Sherlock Holmes. There are tons of dialogue cues that suggest that the character in these serials is insanely flawed - possibly damn close to being a villain himself - and that the role of Watson is to mold him into a better human being.
The guy was a murderer. Sherlock was having some fun with him by baiting him.
Clearly I am aware of that. I just feel it is the kind of petty mockery that "Sherlock Holmes" generally doesn't engage in.
Again, I realize this is a modern interpretation and not canon Holmes, but it still irks me. It irks me when someone pulls that grammatarian card here on D&D, so of course it'll irk me when a figure like Sherlock Holmes does it. I tend to associate the practice with silly goosery now.
That's all I'm trying to say.
I love the series though, don't get me wrong. Maybe my gripe is as petty as Holmes' goading was.
It's pretty clear that one of the long term goals of the series is to redeem this Sherlock Holmes. There are tons of dialogue cues that suggest that the character in these serials is insanely flawed - possibly damn close to being a villain himself - and that the role of Watson is to mold him into a better human being.
Fair enough. Even canon Holmes often displayed compassion, or at least a desire to see justice done. Moreso than this Holmes. I hope you are correct. Lestrade's comment "he's a great man, maybe some day he'll even be a good one" lends a lot of support to your interpretation. I just don't want this show to become "teach the sociopath how to be human" though, or at least not focused on it. I personally feel Psych was better in the earlier seasons, when Shawn wasn't so sappy. Not that I dislike it now, but eh, you know.
So I just finished episode 3 (I know, I watched slowly). I loved it, and I can't wait until next year.
This show made me extremely sad that John Doe went off the air after only one season. To me, that was one of the best "consulting detective" shows. It was really slick and I loved the temperament of the main character.
I thought it was phenomenal as well. I usually just watch BBC shows for the comedy, but if the drama is this good as well, I have some catching up to do.
Are there any other dramas of this quality on BBC?
I thought it was phenomenal as well. I usually just watch BBC shows for the comedy, but if the drama is this good as well, I have some catching up to do.
Are there any other dramas of this quality on BBC?
Jekyll, which is also by Steven Moffat, is available for streaming on Netflix, and it's really good. It's a modern-day sequel to Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
Some BBC drama is this good. Some is mediocre and some is utter piffle. but they produce an awful lot of it, and have been doing so for many, many years.
Other recent fantastic drama includes State of Play (made into a duff film with a Hollywood cast), Spooks, Wallander and Occupation. Classic BBC drama you might want to hunt down includes Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy, starring Alec Fucking Guiness as spymaster George Smiley, a million costume dramas (Tess of the D'Ubervilles, Bleak House, Little Dorritt, Pride & Prejudice, Cranford, etc), Talking Heads, Clocking Off, Edge of Darkness, Life on Mars, Messiah, blah blah blah.
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I've read every single Sherlock Holmes story and this show gets it all so right.
The ending... Oh man... WANT MORE!
I haven't watched ep 3 yet, so a few things.. I have a sneaking suspicion that
Also, I just don't get the whole police being incompetent at forensics. The UK is a pioneer in modern forensics. Ok, I can perhaps buy the police being incompetent but not forensics.
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Sherlock has less on his plate,
Watson: What are you doing?!
Holmes: BORED!!!
Sherlock to return for second series says producer
YESSSSSS
how can you do that
They've confirmed that a second series will be made. With the phenomenal ratings these episodes got they'd be mad not to.
How so?
Shifting the accent around to fool Sherlock makes sense, and...well to go along with his criminal side, perhaps he was being a bit theatric. Sherlock's ego appreciates a good boost now and then (part of the reason in this series he likes keeping Watson around), think about how another criminal genius feels being behind the scenes constantly...bit cabin feverish perhaps? Makes sense he'd be a bit off-balance, and want to really ham it up.
"In a way Moriarty is the man who makes Sherlock a hero … he's a rather amoral character Sherlock Holmes, so you want someone for him to respond to that turns him into the hero he's sort of destined to be."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/aug/10/sherlock-second-series-bbc
Hmm... Moriarty/Joker? :P
The last one, though, was magnificent. Plenty of detectoring and floaty word graphics
So Moffat's comment gives me hope, because it suggests that what they're doing here is taking the Holmes from the very first story, "A Study in Scarlet," who actually was the kind of young, flip, eminently punchable grad student type that Cumberbatch is playing, and putting him through an arc that wisens and humanizes him through contrast with his heartless doppelganger.
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Extremely excited to hear there's more coming.
Edit: Did anyone else watching the pre-opening scene think "HOLY SHIT ALAN RICKMAN"?
That was a great performance, he was a genuinely frightening presence, I had no idea what he was going to do, what he could do. He appeared absolutely and totally psychotic, and from the Moffat quote above that's what they were aiming for so good job.
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Yeah - I even went as far to be impressed that they got him as Moriarty while at the same time thinking that Alan Rickman was getting yet another evil mastermind role :P
I dunno, it's not a big deal. It just irked me.
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Clearly I am aware of that. I just feel it is the kind of petty mockery that "Sherlock Holmes" generally doesn't engage in.
Again, I realize this is a modern interpretation and not canon Holmes, but it still irks me. It irks me when someone pulls that grammatarian card here on D&D, so of course it'll irk me when a figure like Sherlock Holmes does it. I tend to associate the practice with silly goosery now.
That's all I'm trying to say.
I love the series though, don't get me wrong. Maybe my gripe is as petty as Holmes' goading was.
It's pretty clear that one of the long term goals of the series is to redeem this Sherlock Holmes. There are tons of dialogue cues that suggest that the character in these serials is insanely flawed - possibly damn close to being a villain himself - and that the role of Watson is to mold him into a better human being.
Edit: Phillishere put it well.
Fair enough. Even canon Holmes often displayed compassion, or at least a desire to see justice done. Moreso than this Holmes. I hope you are correct. Lestrade's comment "he's a great man, maybe some day he'll even be a good one" lends a lot of support to your interpretation. I just don't want this show to become "teach the sociopath how to be human" though, or at least not focused on it. I personally feel Psych was better in the earlier seasons, when Shawn wasn't so sappy. Not that I dislike it now, but eh, you know.
Definately this show ranks up there with the Jeremy Brett version of Sherlock Holmes.
This show made me extremely sad that John Doe went off the air after only one season. To me, that was one of the best "consulting detective" shows. It was really slick and I loved the temperament of the main character.
This was fantastic, though. Can't wait for more.
Are there any other dramas of this quality on BBC?
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Jekyll, which is also by Steven Moffat, is available for streaming on Netflix, and it's really good. It's a modern-day sequel to Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
Other recent fantastic drama includes State of Play (made into a duff film with a Hollywood cast), Spooks, Wallander and Occupation. Classic BBC drama you might want to hunt down includes Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy, starring Alec Fucking Guiness as spymaster George Smiley, a million costume dramas (Tess of the D'Ubervilles, Bleak House, Little Dorritt, Pride & Prejudice, Cranford, etc), Talking Heads, Clocking Off, Edge of Darkness, Life on Mars, Messiah, blah blah blah.
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