Why not just do the easy thing and renew the Bush Tax Cuts?
Because doing the easy thing is incredibly stupid. The last thing rich people in this country should get is more money to put in their bank accounts and leave there.
It's about what their base believes. Which is why nobody backed by progressives, kos, huffpo, can ever be anything but anti military, anti police. And that's why those tactics work. Nobody ever seriously questioned Kerry, they did question those voting for him and if he would cave for them.
Except for the niggling little fact that there have been plenty of candidates featured on Daily Kos who were in the army. And VoteVets.org is distinctly left-leaning. But don't let those facts get in the way of your lie-spouting.
Which means fuck all since they are backed by progressives! That's like asking me to take a pro nazi person seriously just because a few jews support him (yeah I went there).
Kill the progressive shit, and then push your options, till then, no liberal can be taken seriously on military matters, and until you get that, expect to get slaughtered over "the troops".
Of course! Who knew that progressives all inherently want to murder our troops in their sleep despite any evidence to the contrary? I mean, they're progressives! That's like nazi communists!
Don't be naive, like it or not, the reality is the progressive base has been anti military, that's been the case since the 60's. Thus anybody that "progressives" approve of, has all their military credentials shot to hell off the bat and swift boating works. The right, does not have this problem. In fact, even the worlds largest coward, as long as they have an R, gets some military credit for it.
I didn't create this situation, I'm just calling a duck a duck here.
Why not just do the easy thing and renew the Bush Tax Cuts?
Because doing the easy thing is incredibly stupid. The last thing rich people in this country should get is more money to put in their bank accounts and leave there.
What a douche. Money in the bank does not "sit there". It gets loaned out, to people who need it. Your savings account is merely there to show you what the bank owes you.
Only way the money would be useless is if they stuff it in a mattress.
And in fact, most of the wealthy people in this land are owners of businesses, for the fact that you pretty much do not get rich in this country by working for someone else on a salaried job. Often, these people reinvest their money back into their own business, which good for MANY people.
And in fact, most of the wealthy people in this land are owners of businesses, for the fact that you pretty much do not get rich in this country by working for someone else on a salaried job.
Yes, you do. Many, many investment bankers became ludicrously wealthy despite not running the company.
We tried trickle down economics for 30 years. It didn't work for anyone who's not rich (and even then, they were better off under the Democrat!).
I'd agree but locking at my 401k, 403b, and personal investements I'm getting killed, though the killed face in 2006. I know the conservatives caused this, but most will just look at their funds and panic.
So I hear the Democrats are headed for destruction.
Like, they might lose control of the House for like 4-8 years! OMG!
If Nate Silver's current projection is correct, the GOP will have a 7-seat majority in 2011-2013, which is certainly nice for them, but doesn't have much wiggle room. Of course, given their party discipline over the past decade, it might be just as good as a 50-seat majority.
So I hear the Democrats are headed for destruction.
Like, they might lose control of the House for like 4-8 years! OMG!
At which point it becomes the Republican Economy again. Huzzah!
Hahaha. Yeah, no. Unless they decide to shut down the government, then it's 50-50 and we're on the "requiring responsible media coverage" side.
4 years of Republican rule at this point will likely leave us near Mad Max level infrastructure issues. Particularly with this new class of truly rabid anti-taxers.
The fact that we can't afford to staff schools or repair roads anymore surely won't go unnoticed, regardless of media coverage.
So I hear the Democrats are headed for destruction.
Like, they might lose control of the House for like 4-8 years! OMG!
At which point it becomes the Republican Economy again. Huzzah!
Hahaha. Yeah, no. Unless they decide to shut down the government, then it's 50-50 and we're on the "requiring responsible media coverage" side.
4 years of Republican rule at this point will likely leave us near Mad Max level infrastructure issues. Particularly with this new class of truly rabid anti-taxers.
The fact that we can't afford to staff schools or repair roads anymore surely won't go unnoticed, regardless of media coverage.
It's gone unnoticed for about 40 years now, I don't see why it would change, unless there are shit geysers in New York, Boston, Philadelphia, or DC.
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We tried trickle down economics for 30 years. It didn't work for anyone who's not rich (and even then, they were better off under the Democrat!).
Bullshit. Coming from a rather liberal, euro, family in potomac MD we made bank off regean, and some off Clinton. They wont invest now because they are well, fucked. I've got my military home loan to try and translate into bucks, and a GI BILL to try and suck every last buck out of for a worthless degree.
What you say might happen, but we stopped paying for hippy funds, and quit our contributions once we tanked, that's life. And for hungarian and dutch jews, we didn't have a free hand. In fact, my family had to survive multiple death camps, only to barely shrug it out with 3 remaining members, and then be forced to fight the korean war.
For "30 years" yeah we hire and fired people, mostly hired. We got killed by the .net crash under clinton, I was whiped out. And yes, my dad, the asshole, probably falls into the tax bracket you hate.
So no, you haven't tried it, and you are far to quick to judge. It worked for us, rather well. Or maybe you should look at how it's worked out for immigrants such as my family.
We tried trickle down economics for 30 years. It didn't work for anyone who's not rich (and even then, they were better off under the Democrat!).
I'd agree but locking at my 401k, 403b, and personal investements I'm getting killed, though the killed face in 2006. I know the conservatives caused this, but most will just look at their funds and panic.
We tried trickle down economics for 30 years. It didn't work for anyone who's not rich (and even then, they were better off under the Democrat!).
Bullshit. Coming from a rather liberal, euro, family in potomac MD we made bank off regean, and some off Clinton. They wont invest now because they are well, fucked. I've got my military home loan to try and translate into bucks, and a GI BILL to try and suck every last buck out of for a worthless degree.
What you say might happen, but we stopped paying for hippy funds, and quit our contributions once we tanked, that's life. And for hungarian and dutch jews, we didn't have a free hand. In fact, my family had to survive multiple death camps, only to barely shrug it out with 3 remaining members, and then be forced to fight the korean war.
For "30 years" yeah we hire and fired people, mostly hired. We got killed by the .net crash under clinton, I was whiped out. And yes, my dad, the asshole, probably falls into the tax bracket you hate.
So no, you haven't tried it, and you are far to quick to judge. It worked for us, rather well. Or maybe you should look at how it's worked out for immigrants such as my family.
We tried trickle down economics for 30 years. It didn't work for anyone who's not rich (and even then, they were better off under the Democrat!).
I'd agree but locking at my 401k, 403b, and personal investements I'm getting killed, though the killed face in 2006. I know the conservatives caused this, but most will just look at their funds and panic.
Yes, most people don't care about who caused the financial problems, just who's in power right now. Which is why republicans taking both houses might not be the worst thing ever come 2012
We tried trickle down economics for 30 years. It didn't work for anyone who's not rich (and even then, they were better off under the Democrat!).
I'd agree but locking at my 401k, 403b, and personal investements I'm getting killed, though the killed face in 2006. I know the conservatives caused this, but most will just look at their funds and panic.
Yes, most people don't care about who caused the financial problems, just who's in power right now. Which is why republicans taking both houses might not be the worst thing ever come 2012
Yes because a private fund, a 401k via LM and a 403b via USAID are so the same things, and I I so have the same amount in each. And either party might not be the same.
We tried trickle down economics for 30 years. It didn't work for anyone who's not rich (and even then, they were better off under the Democrat!).
I'd agree but locking at my 401k, 403b, and personal investements I'm getting killed, though the killed face in 2006. I know the conservatives caused this, but most will just look at their funds and panic.
We tried trickle down economics for 30 years. It didn't work for anyone who's not rich (and even then, they were better off under the Democrat!).
Bullshit. Coming from a rather liberal, euro, family in potomac MD we made bank off regean, and some off Clinton. They wont invest now because they are well, fucked. I've got my military home loan to try and translate into bucks, and a GI BILL to try and suck every last buck out of for a worthless degree.
What you say might happen, but we stopped paying for hippy funds, and quit our contributions once we tanked, that's life. And for hungarian and dutch jews, we didn't have a free hand. In fact, my family had to survive multiple death camps, only to barely shrug it out with 3 remaining members, and then be forced to fight the korean war.
For "30 years" yeah we hire and fired people, mostly hired. We got killed by the .net crash under clinton, I was whiped out. And yes, my dad, the asshole, probably falls into the tax bracket you hate.
So no, you haven't tried it, and you are far to quick to judge. It worked for us, rather well. Or maybe you should look at how it's worked out for immigrants such as my family.
What is this I don't even
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You know, there are times when i almost have some respect for you nstf cause you come back time and time and time again to talk and debate and things.
And then you say something so absolutely insane.. It's like, I don't even know.
You know, there are times when i almost have some respect for you nstf cause you come back time and time and time again to talk and debate and things.
And then you say something so absolutely insane.. It's like, I don't even know.
I think "debate" may be too strong a term.
All I gotta say is that if I took some of the name calling and things that are heaped on nstf, i'd probably have told you all to fuck off and die long ago.
Maybe he's a masochist, who knows.
But, I just, I dunno. I start just maybe agreeing on points with him and then...... it goes away.
but anyways.
Primaries.
watching Rachel, and seeing her Carl Paladino information on. And..
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edited September 2010
You aren't fucked, you selfish idiot, you just won't make obscene amounts of money that isn't taxed anymore. I am in a very similar situation, and my parents may joke about not making nearly as much under better tax law, but they are intelligent enough to realize that taxes can be good.
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Wait, am I missing something? Here's how that would go:
1. Some Democrat offers a bill extending the tax cuts for the lower four brackets.
2. During floor debate, a Republican submits an amendment extending Bush's tax cuts for the highest bracket as well.
3. All Republicans and Blue Dogs, as well as Democrats with very wealthy constituents, vote for the amendment, and it passes.
4. The bill as a whole passes, and the entirety of the Bush tax cuts are extended.
There's a small chance the amendment fails. Particularly if there's a lot of attention brought on the subject by the Dems during the runnup to the midterms. If they're going to try and use it as an issue to run on, like Plouffe is saying they are.
Wait, am I missing something? Here's how that would go:
1. Some Democrat offers a bill extending the tax cuts for the lower four brackets.
2. During floor debate, a Republican submits an amendment extending Bush's tax cuts for the highest bracket as well.
3. All Republicans and Blue Dogs, as well as Democrats with very wealthy constituents, vote for the amendment, and it passes.
4. The bill as a whole passes, and the entirety of the Bush tax cuts are extended.
No, the amendment will get attached, then the Republicans will Filibuster ANYWAY unless the Democrats agree to remove the other tax cuts or INCREASE the ones on the top percentage.
Then, after all that, they'll still filibuster, and run ads on every channel about how despite their best efforts, the Democrats just wouldn't work with them.
Obama needs to veto (or commit to a veto, at least) a full extension before either chamber of congress will pass an extension for just the non-uber rich.
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Okay, what the hell is that supposed to mean?
Don't be naive, like it or not, the reality is the progressive base has been anti military, that's been the case since the 60's. Thus anybody that "progressives" approve of, has all their military credentials shot to hell off the bat and swift boating works. The right, does not have this problem. In fact, even the worlds largest coward, as long as they have an R, gets some military credit for it.
I didn't create this situation, I'm just calling a duck a duck here.
So sig'd.
What a douche. Money in the bank does not "sit there". It gets loaned out, to people who need it. Your savings account is merely there to show you what the bank owes you.
Only way the money would be useless is if they stuff it in a mattress.
And in fact, most of the wealthy people in this land are owners of businesses, for the fact that you pretty much do not get rich in this country by working for someone else on a salaried job. Often, these people reinvest their money back into their own business, which good for MANY people.
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions...
Like, they might lose control of the House for like 4-8 years! OMG!
Do I need to post this in-line again?
I'd agree but locking at my 401k, 403b, and personal investements I'm getting killed, though the killed face in 2006. I know the conservatives caused this, but most will just look at their funds and panic.
If Nate Silver's current projection is correct, the GOP will have a 7-seat majority in 2011-2013, which is certainly nice for them, but doesn't have much wiggle room. Of course, given their party discipline over the past decade, it might be just as good as a 50-seat majority.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Hahaha. Yeah, no. Unless they decide to shut down the government, then it's 50-50 and we're on the "requiring responsible media coverage" side.
The fact that we can't afford to staff schools or repair roads anymore surely won't go unnoticed, regardless of media coverage.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
It's gone unnoticed for about 40 years now, I don't see why it would change, unless there are shit geysers in New York, Boston, Philadelphia, or DC.
Otherwise they're never going to learn.
Step back, say "we're letting them have it for a few years", then swoop back in right before Kansas declares war on South Dakota, and fix everything.
So the people can get comfortable enough to vote based on prejudice again 2 years later. Like they always do.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Bullshit. Coming from a rather liberal, euro, family in potomac MD we made bank off regean, and some off Clinton. They wont invest now because they are well, fucked. I've got my military home loan to try and translate into bucks, and a GI BILL to try and suck every last buck out of for a worthless degree.
What you say might happen, but we stopped paying for hippy funds, and quit our contributions once we tanked, that's life. And for hungarian and dutch jews, we didn't have a free hand. In fact, my family had to survive multiple death camps, only to barely shrug it out with 3 remaining members, and then be forced to fight the korean war.
For "30 years" yeah we hire and fired people, mostly hired. We got killed by the .net crash under clinton, I was whiped out. And yes, my dad, the asshole, probably falls into the tax bracket you hate.
So no, you haven't tried it, and you are far to quick to judge. It worked for us, rather well. Or maybe you should look at how it's worked out for immigrants such as my family.
And that's with the 50s boom helping out Republican numbers!
Actual purchasing power stagnated for most Americans in the last 30 years.
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Are... do you have multiple personalities? O_o
Yes, most people don't care about who caused the financial problems, just who's in power right now. Which is why republicans taking both houses might not be the worst thing ever come 2012
Funny because other than MM or KNash not a fucking person has questioned democratic taxes, and even MM sides with you.
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Yes because a private fund, a 401k via LM and a 403b via USAID are so the same things, and I I so have the same amount in each. And either party might not be the same.
What is this I don't even
And then you say something so absolutely insane.. It's like, I don't even know.
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They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
All I gotta say is that if I took some of the name calling and things that are heaped on nstf, i'd probably have told you all to fuck off and die long ago.
Maybe he's a masochist, who knows.
But, I just, I dunno. I start just maybe agreeing on points with him and then...... it goes away.
but anyways.
Primaries.
watching Rachel, and seeing her Carl Paladino information on. And..
wow.
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Although I;m not disagreeing with you.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
yeah, i missed the first 5 minutes or so, was watching the end of wwe.
I just caught the beastiality words..
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I'm pretty sure the entirety of the Bush tax cuts will be extended because Lieberman/Nelson are assholes primarily, but also the Blue Dogs.
There are rumblings that Elizabeth Warren will be appointed on an interim basis (no confirmation needed) for the next year.
It would also be good politics. The Dems either get to claim bipartisanship or point to the Republicans voting against tax cuts for 98% of Americans.
Which is why it won't happen.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
1. Some Democrat offers a bill extending the tax cuts for the lower four brackets.
2. During floor debate, a Republican submits an amendment extending Bush's tax cuts for the highest bracket as well.
3. All Republicans and Blue Dogs, as well as Democrats with very wealthy constituents, vote for the amendment, and it passes.
4. The bill as a whole passes, and the entirety of the Bush tax cuts are extended.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Luckily, that's why we have people like Plouffe. He just needs to get cracking the whip.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
No, the amendment will get attached, then the Republicans will Filibuster ANYWAY unless the Democrats agree to remove the other tax cuts or INCREASE the ones on the top percentage.
Then, after all that, they'll still filibuster, and run ads on every channel about how despite their best efforts, the Democrats just wouldn't work with them.
Meanwhile, the Democrats will run no ads at all.
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This will in all likelihood not happen.