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  • PeterAndCompanyPeterAndCompany Registered User
    edited September 2010
    I think that's probably why I love drawing trees and forest scenery so much. The essence of being a non-architectural organic structure automatically leans towards more interesting and complex shapes, as well as more unique compositional layouts.

    ND, I think it might help to approach your thinking of space as more organic than architectural. Perhaps what I love most about this idea, for example, is the fact that you can draw a tree completely from your own imagination and people will believe that it's completely accurate. All it takes is an understanding of how things in nature grow and what shapes they can take. When something is more architectural and geometric, it's more noticeable when something isn't quite perfect. This is why incorporating game controllers/glasses/other man-made objects into a still-life is so much more difficult. You get one detail out of place and people will know instantly that something is off with it.

    I've actually found that in drawing trees so damn much, my approach to drawing buildings has adapted some of the same elements of structure. A comic doesn't have to be a technical drawing. Nowadays I'll end up freehanding most of my architecture rather than ruling out all the lines. It comes off looking more organic, but is still certainly recognizable as a house. It sort of unintentionally brings everything together in the backgrounds, and has definitely increased my enjoyment of putting in a higher level of detail to the environments. This is how I think you might have a better time coming up with spaces and elements to include.

    Back when I would try ruling out the perspective and making everything as perfectly straight and uniform as possible, I would have such a hard time coming up with objects to flesh out the scenery since I was so preoccupied with making everything look right. It drove me INSANE and I usually would end up avoiding it entirely, torturing myself with the establishing shot and then opting for blank white spaces for the characters to float in for the next few panels ("Eh, the reader knows where they are, I don't have to redraw it every time"). Now even with interior shots, I lose myself in the details. I just can't bear to leave a single background empty. It really does bring a page together.

    Edit: A visual example of what I mean. The backgrounds in these panels are all freehand, including the architecture.
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    Keeping it freehand definitely saves my sanity and suddenly dramatically increases my interest in background details. I remember being told once that you should "treat your backgrounds with the same level of detail and attention as you would the main characters." This means finding a method that works for you and allows you to enjoy drawing one just as much as the other. No element of illustration should ever feel like a chore.

  • MagicToasterMagicToaster Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Pantone colors and transparencies do not match in print. Ugh!

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  • NibCromNibCrom Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Tell me more.

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  • MagicToasterMagicToaster Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Well, if you drop the opacity on a Pantone color, I've found that one of two things will happen:

    -They will print in a shade very diferent from what it should be
    -They will not print at all

    I just got a color key from my printer and one area I accidentaly toned down a Pantone by lowering the opacity, not the tint. That area was as if it there were no graphics there. Well, live and learn... then make the same mistake a couple of times until you remember forever.

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  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited September 2010
    Iruka wrote: »
    Destroying the evidence, or never producing it, wont help. You cant always work through it either, and I have pages in from highschool that are smushes of eraser marks. I've recently started doodling in marker and now have pages and pages of stupid looking faces, strait up failures. But I know if I put my mind to it I can draw a face, so who cares. And they do get better, and faster, and I have the time line of evidence.

    Wall of text time
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    I think you might be miss interpreting me a little, I'm not saying I will draw the same mistake over and over just for the sake of it and don't focus on fixing it, but I know those failures are going to happen. I'm not advocating success by volume, but I've never met an artist that never met a shit sketch is my point.

    If you feel like your process works, and you're working on the doubt thing then I guess you are on the right track. Beating yourself up over mistakes just sounds like it would take a lot of the fun out of it, for no good reason, was all I was getting at, and it sounds like you know. I highly suggest working at the anxiety as much as you can though.

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  • PROXPROX Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    You should set aside time to draw for fun Nightdragon. Constantly grinding on something "for profit" really drains your gusto. Just have some fun. And then get down to business time.

    Also you need to loosen up with your sketches to create more dynamic compositions. LOOSEN UP.

    I throw crap up on the doodle page all the time. You gotta get into to the groove where every piece is not a portfolio piece. That way you'll get more mileage.

    And with more mileage comes confidence, which I think you need.

  • CountBlackulaCountBlackula MarylandRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I'm enjoying reading this whole conversation going on about ND's art frustrations, because I can relate. It's good to hear someone else talk about something that you feel all the time. I just think that I haven't been able to put those feelings into words like ND did. I keep a sketchbook, and I refuse to tear out any sketches that I think are bad, mostly because when you look back at them in a year, you'll know -exactly- what you did wrong and how to fix it. That's a pretty good feeling.

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  • KochikensKochikens Lovely-Cuddle-Blanket-Stephen-Fry-Awesomer Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I haven't been drawing lately. Like, at all. I really ought to start again but I just can't bring myself to even try. I've been doing paintings of my friends sketches, but I just can't draw right now.

  • CountBlackulaCountBlackula MarylandRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Kochi, link us to your site already!!!

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  • NightDragonNightDragon Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    PROX wrote: »
    You should set aside time to draw for fun Nightdragon. Constantly grinding on something "for profit" really drains your gusto. Just have some fun. And then get down to business time.

    ...

    And with more mileage comes confidence, which I think you need.
    Spoiler:

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  • NappuccinoNappuccino Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    PROX wrote: »
    You should set aside time to draw for fun Nightdragon. Constantly grinding on something "for profit" really drains your gusto. Just have some fun. And then get down to business time.

    ...

    And with more mileage comes confidence, which I think you need.
    Spoiler:

    Be a real man. Do some LSD and paint with your own feces.*


    *This may not be a good idea.

    Like to write? Want to get e-published? Give us a look-see at http://wednesdaynightwrites.com/
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  • The_Glad_HatterThe_Glad_Hatter Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Yes Ms. Mills. Be a real man. ;)

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  • NappuccinoNappuccino Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    (That's the joke... well, part of it anyway.)

    Like to write? Want to get e-published? Give us a look-see at http://wednesdaynightwrites.com/
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  • KochikensKochikens Lovely-Cuddle-Blanket-Stephen-Fry-Awesomer Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Kochi, link us to your site already!!!

    bluhh? I think most people have already seen my shit enough, I haven't updated my site in ages as everything I've worked on in the past year is NDA as fuck

  • TamTam I hate art I love artRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I really need to drop acid just once

  • KochikensKochikens Lovely-Cuddle-Blanket-Stephen-Fry-Awesomer Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Orange juice, tam
    just settle for some OJ

  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited September 2010
    I dont feel like the effects are similar kochi, unless not having smell makes you react to OJ in a really special way.

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  • TamTam I hate art I love artRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    while OJ is wonderful stuff, I'm pretty sure it's not really going to alter my perception

  • KochikensKochikens Lovely-Cuddle-Blanket-Stephen-Fry-Awesomer Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    But, acid!! Orange juice

    okok

    try putting some vinegar on your french fries.

  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited September 2010
    Boardwalk fries with old bay and vinegar did alter my perception of reality, I'll admit.

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  • TamTam I hate art I love artRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Kochikens wrote: »
    But, acid!! Orange juice

    okok

    try putting some vinegar on your french fries.

    pfff citric and acetic bullshit
    want me some hydrochloric fo' dat real twang

  • KochikensKochikens Lovely-Cuddle-Blanket-Stephen-Fry-Awesomer Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Tam wrote: »
    Kochikens wrote: »
    But, acid!! Orange juice

    okok

    try putting some vinegar on your french fries.

    pfff citric and acetic bullshit
    want me some hydrochloric fo' dat real twang

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    GO FOR IT

  • FugitiveFugitive Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Kochi you should make a game called "hopskotchikens"

  • KochikensKochikens Lovely-Cuddle-Blanket-Stephen-Fry-Awesomer Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    heh
    hehehheeheh

  • ParadiseParadise Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Tam wrote: »
    I really need to drop acid just once

    Stupidity confirmed.

    edit: My Phi Theta Kappa invitation finally came in the mail. It's a few months late, but hey. I'm excited!

  • Angel_of_BaconAngel_of_Bacon Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited September 2010
    So I think somebody like Magictoaster brought this up awhile back, but I just watched Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins.
    It is astounding that a movie that should be so ridiculously awesome because it contains so many ridiculous and awesome elements manages to be ridiculous, but at the same time, somehow not really awesome. It just lacks something, like that undefinable magic of an 80's-era Joel Silver in the production role.

  • TamTam I hate art I love artRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Paradise wrote: »
    Tam wrote: »
    I really need to drop acid just once

    Stupidity confirmed.

    why's that?

    edit: because a careful dose from a clean source and in a controlled environment makes it a very low risk affair

  • earthwormadamearthwormadam Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Hey you never know till you try. Just do a quarter tab to be safe, or better yet mushroooms.

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  • WassermeloneWassermelone Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Hey you never know till you try. Just do a quarter tab to be safe, or better yet mushroooms.

    I can neither confirm or deny that I liked mushrooms much better.

  • TamTam I hate art I love artRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    aren't the effects of psilocybin different though?

  • NightDragonNightDragon Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I'd do acid, if it had absolutely 0 negative effects, and if I wanted to, I could immediately sober up from it. I think it'd be pretty interesting to see what weirdness I'd end up drawing.

    But, ya know, hallucinating. I don't think I'd be very comfortable with that. I sliiightly hallucinated only twice in my life (fevers) and one time I was fine with it (even though I thought little shadow-people were dancing around the nightlight, and then walked across the floor and got into my blanket)...and another time where I thought two of my friends on either side of me were growing taller, and that one I freaked out a bit with.

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  • WassermeloneWassermelone Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Tam wrote: »
    aren't the effects of psilocybin different though?

    Yeah, but if I were to choose one hallucinogenic again, I would choose the mushroom variety. Felt... more natural?

  • earthwormadamearthwormadam Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Hahha yeah last time I hallucinated I could have sworn I could see the microscopic organisms crawling all over my carpet and my skin. Even though I'm usually a germaphobe I couldn't help but find it awesome.

    Damn, shadow people are so much cooler.

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  • RubberACRubberAC Sidney BC!Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    acid does not have negative affects unless you have underlying mental illness or you a bitch

    painting on lsd is AWESOME and i cannot imagine how rad it would be if i had you guys' talent

    painting on mushrooms is cool but not nearly as intense

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  • NightDragonNightDragon Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    They were only like 5 or 6 inches high, too.

    And I was about to go upstairs to wake up my dad and tell him "there are people downstairs", but I suddenly realized that in saying "people" he'd think you-and-me type of people...and not little shadow figure people. It was on my 13th birthday this happened! Weirdest birthday ever haha.

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  • WassermeloneWassermelone Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Regardless, if anyone here does either for the first time, I would suggest having a spotter there who has done it before.

    Safety of course is very important, but it should make it more fun too as they will be able to head off any self destructive thoughts that lead to hallucinations of the scary shit variety.

  • NightDragonNightDragon Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    RubberAC wrote: »
    acid does not have negative affects unless you have underlying mental illness or you a bitch

    painting on lsd is AWESOME and i cannot imagine how rad it would be if i had you guys' talent

    painting on mushrooms is cool but not nearly as intense

    But I've heard the whole "if you're worried about having a bad trip, you're probably going to have a bad trip". I've never done LSD or mushrooms though, so I don't know. The idea of being caught in a waking nightmare, unable to get out of it for hours, seems kinda horrifying though.

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  • TamTam I hate art I love artRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Tam wrote: »
    aren't the effects of psilocybin different though?

    Yeah, but if I were to choose one hallucinogenic again, I would choose the mushroom variety. Felt... more natural?

    did you feel colors and become one with the Universe?

    on another note:

    Diatoms are the coolest thing
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    they are unicellular organisms that encase themselves in silica shells

  • FugitiveFugitive Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Oh hey, drug talk. What's the group consensus on weed?

    I've tried pot twice now. First time was fairly underwhelming, extremely uncomfortable, and kicked my self-consciousness into high-gear. The second was all of those, but I also made myself sick eating way too many brownies (just normal brownies).

  • WassermeloneWassermelone Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Tam wrote: »
    Tam wrote: »
    aren't the effects of psilocybin different though?

    Yeah, but if I were to choose one hallucinogenic again, I would choose the mushroom variety. Felt... more natural?

    did you feel colors and become one with the Universe?

    Er yes :oops:

    Its impossible to describe the way I felt but here are some things I saw/etc:

    - On onset, patterns and walls shift in seemingly impossible ways. Also there seems to be an almost holographic depth to surfaces.

    - Trees alternated between looking like fractals and dancers

    - Went into a 'mode' where everything looked like giant stain glass windows showing my place between heaven and hell. Sort of Heironymous Bosch esque ... and a little scary :P

    - I didn't want to draw, I just wanted to look at a lot of art. Good art felt like it 'snapped' into a pattern.

    And because mushrooms made me feel very introspective - lots of more personal, less tame stuff I don't feel like sharing :P

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