[Time Cube Phalla] GAME OVER

Spoit · November 2010

Dunadan019 wrote: »

Spoit wrote: »

So, was I actually seered, or did I just mess up by pushing a grudge on Dunadan too hard?

too hard.

never push a grudge on the guy whose vote counts for 3.

Yeah, I actually did a vote count, and if it weren't for that vote manipulation stuff you would have died the first day, before you started the wagon on me

CaptainPlanet82 · November 2010

romanqwerty wrote: »

Your spreadsheet was really good. It would have been really useful if we'd received it sooner and hadn't been too paranoid too actually use it.

I shared a bunch of info from it with Durax. But I wasn't going to completely open it up to the mafia. It made me somewhat useful and good to keep around just in case the stabbings were not enough.

Spoit · November 2010

I set up a spreadsheet for the mafia, and left it open to edits for after I died. But no one used it

Phyphor · November 2010

So the village seer dies, the mafia is shown to have only one kill, the village has 4 vote kills and the first reaction upon being contacted by a second seer isn't that he's mafia?

romanqwerty · November 2010

Phyphor wrote: »

So the village seer dies, the mafia is shown to have only one kill, the village has 4 vote kills and the first reaction upon being contacted by a second seer isn't that he's mafia?

Uh what?

I didn't think it was unreasonable to believe. Mafia don't get seers very often at all. Mains often have multiple seers. It looked like there were two mafia kills, one of which was a vig or something.

daniant · November 2010

Capfalcon wrote: »

Whew. That was stressful. Glad to see everyone has been properly educated.

I'm waiting for Dani to grudge me forever, though, since I revealed as a village seer to her to get her to save my bacon.

But, at least it was only half a lie. Surely that counts for something, Dani.

Nope. We were noobs together, man.

The worst part was, I knew in my heart that you were lying to me, but didn't want to believe it because you're Capfalcon, and we're friends, right?

Wrong.

I hated being dubious network head in this game. Sir Fabulous originally wanted to reveal instead of me, but I volunteered so that I would get killed on Day 1. Stupid fucking me. What made it so much more stressful for me was, my dad and mom broke up right after I signed up for this game after 40 years of marriage and I was trying to balance that with being "network head". That's why I volunteered to reveal and get killed off. That's also why I played so shitty. I was horribly distracted by not so nice things.

Feel free to start crying at my sob story at any point here. I know it sounds over the top, but it's all true.

daniant · November 2010

CaptainPlanet82 wrote: »

stabby, stabby. hehe

Roman- durax should have known about all my kills. I sent a PM to him with the kill or agreed with whatever the last PM he sent me would be. we discussed them a little each time. If you would have been sharing more info with me sooner, I wouldn't have waited so long to kill Daniant. But I got her back now. hehe

Boy, that was a fun role. Ironically even though Durax told me he was "some group" going against the awakened, I somehow knew it was mafia. It took about 3 or 4 days before he owned up to it. But it was much more fun to help the mafia, couldn't help myself.

Got her back for what? Inventing the CaptainPlanet freakout scale?

daniant · November 2010

T-t-t-triple post!

Final words: Awakened role sucked. We were assumed to be mafia, could have actually been used as village vigs but because of our stupid fucking color in the narration, were assumed to be evil. Had no seers, but the other sides did. Basically we got fucked over royally.

I knew that the other side was working with the mafia too, but had no one would have voted out Duna after Spoit and Samurai.

Grudge list: Capfalcon, CaptainPlanet, romanqwerty, dunadan (all who contacted me and lied to me, or vigged me), REND.

Especially Capfalcon and CaptainPlanet. I thought we had something special. Sob.

EDIT: This was Day 1, before we knew we didn't have our vig until we killed an Incarnation:

Sir Fabulous wrote:

daniant wrote:

Sir Fabulous wrote:

daniant wrote:

Yay! I get to be networked with youuuuuuuu!

Also. If nothing bad happens I think we may want all the awakened to be networked. I would think that there are two awakened for each Incarnation.
I could get a call out for all the Awakened to contact me. It would probably result in my death but we'd get together with the other Incarnation's awakened that much faster.

Thoughts?

Yeah, that is an idea. It is up to you, however. Does it sound like the incarnations are mafia or other villager/neutrals?

I would think we'er Nuetrals. After all, we are village aligned until a specific event. And we don't need to beat the village, we only need four guys to die.
So here's the plan. I'm going to see how our kill turns up in the Narration and if it appears village aligned, I'll reveal and try to get the other awakened into a network.
The RNG landed the kill on Captain Planet. Any objections?

I'd like to imagine a happier world, where we vigged CaptainPlanet Day 1, Sir Fabulous revealed, and the village won.

towndrunk34 · November 2010

CAPTAIN PLANEEEEEET

MrBlarney · November 2010

Oh geez, you're right! I didn't realize that the Awakeneds' role PMs wasn't clear that they wouldn't get their group kill until they were 'powered up' by the death of an Incarnation. After all, by win condition mechanics, they wouldn't be awakened until that event. (The group would've been networked as they underwent their awakening/Incarnates were eliminated automatically, but that was meant to be a hidden mechanic.) Augh, I thought I proofed the role PMs well enough but I missed that bit.

But really, once the Awakened awoke, they really would become another mafia faction. If they succeeded in killing all the Incarnates, that means that they win and everybody else loses. Rend explained the logic to me like so: The Incarnates are vying for supremacy as the one true day, bored of the equality they have had as the four days in one rotation. The mafia is in support of this endeavor, believing in the logical one day per earth rotation. Of course, they could also educate the masses to disavow their belief in the Time Cube in a standard win condition. For the majority of the Believers, if an Incarnate died, they would be able to go on with their standard goals, protecting the remaining days and eliminating the threats. For the Awakened however, some sort of nihilistic switch would be triggered, leading them to the desire to remove all days - in other words, eliminating the Incarnates.

The full detail of this plot didn't seem to get conveyed to the players in full it seems, partially due to the fact that none of the Incarnates died until the last day. It took me a while to follow the framework myself when Rend described it to me first as well.

romanqwerty · November 2010

@dani: Get in line

If I haven't earned a few grudges after playing mafia I don't think I've done my job right.
And i've been mafia alot recently.

Stew_Stick · November 2010

Everyone who voted for me is on my grudge list except not really because I can't bothered to check who voted for me.

The bandwagonning in this game was really lame. Hurf durf you didn't join this bandwagon therefore you are evil was the silliest reasoning to kill someone off.

Niceguy Myeye · November 2010

Thanks for running the game. I've learned that since even normal mafia games drive me to crazytown, I should probably avoid the crazy ones

Dunadan019 · November 2010

atleast I killed romanqwerty

Rend · November 2010

daniant wrote: »

Grudge list: Capfalcon, CaptainPlanet, romanqwerty, dunadan (all who contacted me and lied to me, or vigged me), REND.

Hey now, I clarified to all the awakened on day 2 when I realized that the role PM was ambiguous that you didn't get your kill yet, and it was pretty clear in the PM that you started out as villagers!

I'm not sure why you decided to try and create the awakened network, but since you started as a villager you should have played like a mason pair up until your incarnation died

Also, you were black colored because you were essentially millers or death cultists. You could not have been used for village vig, because you couldn't win with the village once you had awoken.

daniant · November 2010

It's weird, but if you read our proboards, it's pretty clear that by day 4 we wanted to win with the village and just ignore our other win condition. Also, I personally didn't understand that we wouldn't just leave the game victorious.

Due the clarification that you sent, Rend, we thought we needed to team up with all the Awakeneds to get our vig, so that's why I revealed:

Rend wrote:

daniant wrote:

Rend wrote:

...An Awakened of Sunrise!
The Time Cube's power is too great. It is the last force which can stop us.
Its influence has already infected the earth. Time itself... must be destroyed.

Something within you has always uttered these words, and you just thought you were mentally ill. Well, regardless of the truth of that statement, it looks like those voices were speaking the truth...? About something? Look, you're really not sure what the deal is, but you have the feeling that this four days in one business is a bit more fragile than the believers seem to think.

Your role: Awakened
Your alignment: Until the incarnation of Sunrise is killed, you are a villager and are aligned with the village. If/Once the incarnation of Sunrise is killed, you awaken, and win only when all four of the incarnations are dead.

Your power(s): As a group, the awakened may kill one person per night. This kill takes place on the last day to have started when the final order is sent in. You get this power once per 9PM-9PM.

Rend, do you mean all the awakeneds have one kill together, or that me and sir fab have a kill together?

All of you

So I revealed so that we could network and start killing things. Had no idea we would mason later on, so we thought that we were supposed to reveal.

Ya, our role was super-confusing to all of us, I think, and we all understood it differently. simonwolf and cheez wanted to just play as villagers, I wanted to be village/neutral vig (I think Sir Fab did too), Erich Zahn wanted to be an sk, and Burnage tried to be network head for a while until his unfortunate demise.

daniant · November 2010

I guess I should post our proboards, although most of the action happened in PMs.

http://theawakeneds.proboards.com/index.cgi

Sir Fab has to unlock them.

Sir Fabulous · November 2010

Ahhhhh. I was confused as to my Awakened Role. After we spent all that time without an Incarnation dying I just wanted to go with the village and ignore killing the Incarnations.
We did a shout-out because we wanted to co-ordinate our kill and we weren't aware of the automatic team up.
Pretty much what Dani said. We were very disoriented and none of us knew what the best way to play was. Ah well.
Boards unlocked. Not much there.

Dunadan019 · November 2010

I understood that you were serial killers without even seeing your PM

daniant · November 2010

Dunadan019 wrote: »

I understood that you were serial killers without even seeing your PM

Maybe if you had seen our PM, you would have doubted we were serial killers, though. I mean, if none of us were aware but Erich Zahn, there must have been a problem.

Dunadan019 · November 2010

daniant wrote: »

Dunadan019 wrote: »

I understood that you were serial killers without even seeing your PM

Maybe if you had seen our PM, you would have doubted we were serial killers, though. I mean, if none of us were aware but Erich Zahn, there must have been a problem.

yeah, I had no clue the game was going to end with a mafia win if any of us achieved our win condition.

personally, I thought that if people wanted to educate believers, it would follow that they wouldn't want to have the incarnations of that which those believers believe in around either.

Burnage · November 2010

daniant wrote: »

Ya, our role was super-confusing to all of us, I think, and we all understood it differently. simonwolf and cheez wanted to just play as villagers, I wanted to be village/neutral vig (I think Sir Fab did too), Erich Zahn wanted to be an sk, and Burnage tried to be network head for a while until his unfortunate demise.

On the first day I thought that each pair of Awakened had a kill each, until Rend clarified that no, an Incarnate had to die first. Even then, I thought each pair was going to have an individual kill upon Awakening - so that once three Incarnates had died, the Awakened would have three kills collectively.

I also didn't realise that the Awakened killing all Incarnates would cause the game to end, so I assumed that we were completely village friendly.

So basically, yeah, confusing role.

MrBlarney · November 2010

Well, keep in mind that if an Incarnate died, then their day vote would have been eliminated from the game. Of course, the Incarnates were the only ones who knew this at the start and were forbidden from alerting others to this fact. But if it had happened, it would have probably become obvious to the village that they needed Incarnates alive to maintain some sort of power, and it wouldn't be a difficult inference from the Awakened that killing all Incarnates would end the game with their victory. Unfortunately, the Incarnates slipped detection and elimination such that these points weren't revealed during the game.

Erich Zahn · November 2010

I was actually going to turn in the rest of my team for summary execution(I even photoshopped Chick tracts for it!), but I decided to wait another day, just in case I was wrong.

Note to self:Be an impulsive jackass!

The Cow King · November 2010

Aww thanks Dunadan! I was guarding you most of the game since I didn't exactly have to do much to get people to waste the sunrise vote.

I assumed the awakened were bad news since our role PM's said to watch out for a specific group since they wanted us dead.

cheez · November 2010

I definitely didn't get the impression from my role PM that I wanted the incarnates dead. In fact, it sounded more like I was a supporter of Midnight Incarnate and wanted to keep him alive, and that if he died I would have to avenge him by killing the other incarnates.

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