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  • Dunadan019Dunadan019 Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    I'm thinking about playing LoL

    Only play with folks in vent specifically the d&d folks. The general lol community is full of toxic dickwads.

    my brother plays LoL with his WoW friends so I wouldn't mind being with them for a bit....

    that and I've run through all the computer games I really want to play for a while.

  • DeebaserDeebaser Lead Frog Rammer Fake Board GamerRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
  • EddyEddy pale Gengars I loved beside Cerulean CaveRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
  • JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I don't want to whore it up or anything, but it's not like I'm making money posting this. And people enjoyed the stories earlier. So for the making of merry-time benefit for later chatters, WW2 stories from my late grandpa.


    #1 - Happy Story
    Spoiler:

    #2 - Sad Story
    Spoiler:


    Bonus stories:
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:


    Later [chat], I'm moving today!

  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy Fighting the War on String Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Feral wrote: »
    I do feel like LoL would be a lot better if they had more true tanks and fewer fake tanks.

    Going up against a team of five fake tanks is the worst thing ever.

    oh god NO MORE TANKS

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  • MazzyxMazzyx A Restoration through Revolution. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Feral wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    I am not a fan of unlocking them in a game like LoL. In things like WoW though I understand since it gives you something every time you level up in a game based on making you wanting to play longer to pay for more.

    I'd play more if I started with all the talents available to me.

    I might have kept playing!

    You are probably the exception though than the rule with WoW and the standard community.

    Also the Noxus team was poorly designed and had two of the best carries which did nothing. But really no initiators on the team. Oh well. I think I might just play now.

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  • TavTav Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    GY!BE ended up being crap. Post-rock sucks in a live environment when you're in any way sleepy.

  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Deebaser wrote: »
    speaking of LoL, who's down....

    Down like a clown, Charlie Brown.

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy Fighting the War on String Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    deebaser I'll play soon but are you low level?

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  • NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2010
    deebaser, what is your LoL name

    @nealcm @faynor
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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Thanatos wrote: »
    If you're making webcomics because you think you're going to do that for a living, you're a fucking idiot.

    Y'know, except the few who made it of course.

    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    I am not a fan of unlocking them in a game like LoL. In things like WoW though I understand since it gives you something every time you level up in a game based on making you wanting to play longer to pay for more.

    I'd play more if I started with all the talents available to me.

    I might have kept playing!

    You are probably the exception though than the rule with WoW and the standard community.

    Sorry, you can't use Serra Angel in your deck because you haven't clocked enough hours.

    Sorry, you can't use Nob Bikers in your army because you haven't clocked enough hours.

    Sorry, your medic can't user ubercharge because you haven't clocked enough hours.

    It's a generally retarded idea and needs to go away forever.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
    the "no true scotch, man" fallacy.
  • JamesJames Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Feral wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    I am not a fan of unlocking them in a game like LoL. In things like WoW though I understand since it gives you something every time you level up in a game based on making you wanting to play longer to pay for more.

    I'd play more if I started with all the talents available to me.

    I might have kept playing!

    Having them unlock is good for new players, because it keeps them from being overwhelmed by too many choices too quickly. They can examine what talents they would prefer as they learn their class.

    On the other hand, if someone is experienced, it would be nice to have access to all of it up front.

  • NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2010
    that talents are mostly insignificant, though, feral

    it's not really equivalent to any of your examples


    you could make a good case against having to unlock heroes, but I think the free hero setup deals with that anyway

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  • JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Feral wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    I am not a fan of unlocking them in a game like LoL. In things like WoW though I understand since it gives you something every time you level up in a game based on making you wanting to play longer to pay for more.

    I'd play more if I started with all the talents available to me.

    I might have kept playing!

    You are probably the exception though than the rule with WoW and the standard community.

    Sorry, you can't use Serra Angel in your deck because you haven't clocked enough hours.

    Sorry, you can't use Nob Bikers in your army because you haven't clocked enough hours.

    Sorry, your medic can't user ubercharge because you haven't clocked enough hours.

    It's a generally retarded idea and needs to go away forever.


    It's a general facto of human psychology though that talent trees as they are work better. Haven't you ever experienced the phenomenon of cheating in a game, having everything, and quickly losing interest? It happens.

    Measured, flow-controlled and tempered progress keeps players longer.

    Otherwise we have to come up with a way to allow talent trees that benefit level 1 players AND level 80. Not impossible, but easier the current way.

  • MazzyxMazzyx A Restoration through Revolution. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    But it is the point of most mmos to level, gain abilities then raid to gain more items and abilities and increase the ones. That is the draw. In fact leveling and gaining abilities is a pretty standard draw in all rpgs and their derivatives.

    Really you are comparing apples and monkey wrenches there Feral. Guess the games like that you just aren't for you.

    Also you could say, you can't use Serra Angel because you didn't buy enough packs to draw one. You can't use Nob Bikers because you don't spend enough money to make a full unit.

    The last one in TF2 you can't use kritzkrieg because you haven't earned the it through the achievements.

    Really sorry to pop your bubble.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Kagera wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    If you're making webcomics because you think you're going to do that for a living, you're a fucking idiot.
    Y'know, except the few who made it of course.
    That is like buying a lottery ticket and expecting to win.

  • OrganichuOrganichu Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    hey

    eddy and deebaser

    y'all looking to play or what

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy Fighting the War on String Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    If you're making webcomics because you think you're going to do that for a living, you're a fucking idiot.
    Y'know, except the few who made it of course.
    That is like buying a lottery ticket and expecting to win.

    same with trying to write a book. most authors can't support themselves with book sales and work a regular job.

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  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    The last one in TF2 you can't use kritzkrieg because you haven't earned the it through the achievements.

    Which is exactly why I stopped playing TF2.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
    the "no true scotch, man" fallacy.
  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy Fighting the War on String Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Organichu wrote: »
    hey

    eddy and deebaser

    y'all looking to play or what

    sure but I don't know what level deebaser is and if it would be a good idea to play with him

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  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    But it is the point of most mmos to level, gain abilities then raid to gain more items and abilities and increase the ones. That is the draw. In fact leveling and gaining abilities is a pretty standard draw in all rpgs and their derivatives.

    Really you are comparing apples and monkey wrenches there Feral. Guess the games like that you just aren't for you.

    Also you could say, you can't use Serra Angel because you didn't buy enough packs to draw one. You can't use Nob Bikers because you don't spend enough money to make a full unit.

    The last one in TF2 you can't use kritzkrieg because you haven't earned the it through the achievements.

    Really sorry to pop your bubble.

    no, all of those things are like each other. I am right with feral on this... I want to purchase entertainment with dollars, not earn it with time spent doing things I don't enjoy. Anything I have to earn spending time doing things I don't enjoy bothers me and makes me enjoy the game less, and grouping those things together is very legitimate regardless of the reasons other people don't mind this thing that bothers me.

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  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Otherwise we have to come up with a way to allow talent trees that benefit level 1 players AND level 80. Not impossible, but easier the current way.

    So it's a lazy substitute for good game design. No argument from me there.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
    the "no true scotch, man" fallacy.
  • OrganichuOrganichu Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Organichu wrote: »
    hey

    eddy and deebaser

    y'all looking to play or what

    sure but I don't know what level deebaser is and if it would be a good idea to play with him

    we'll try to inhouse

    we can all play new chars to help mitigate it

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  • FartacusFartacus __BANNED USERS
    edited December 2010
    Organichu wrote: »
    hey

    eddy and deebaser

    y'all looking to play or what

    sure but I don't know what level deebaser is and if it would be a good idea to play with him

    ooh i want to play LoL

  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    If you're making webcomics because you think you're going to do that for a living, you're a fucking idiot.
    Y'know, except the few who made it of course.
    That is like buying a lottery ticket and expecting to win.

    Well yeah but even Oprah was once quoted as saying "I knew I was destined for greatness" which is a pretty retarded thing to say even though she became a billionaire.

    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2010
    man, I hate it when this discussion comes up in [chat]

    @nealcm @faynor
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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy Fighting the War on String Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Fartacus wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    hey

    eddy and deebaser

    y'all looking to play or what

    sure but I don't know what level deebaser is and if it would be a good idea to play with him

    ooh i want to play LoL

    yeah but you fart a bunch : /

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  • RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    But it is the point of most mmos to level, gain abilities then raid to gain more items and abilities and increase the ones. That is the draw. In fact leveling and gaining abilities is a pretty standard draw in all rpgs and their derivatives.

    Really you are comparing apples and monkey wrenches there Feral. Guess the games like that you just aren't for you.

    Also you could say, you can't use Serra Angel because you didn't buy enough packs to draw one. You can't use Nob Bikers because you don't spend enough money to make a full unit.

    The last one in TF2 you can't use kritzkrieg because you haven't earned the it through the achievements.

    Really sorry to pop your bubble.

    no, all of those things are like each other. I am right with feral on this... I want to purchase entertainment with dollars, not earn it with time spent doing things I don't enjoy. Anything I have to earn spending time doing things I don't enjoy bothers me and makes me enjoy the game less, and grouping those things together is very legitimate regardless of the reasons other people don't mind this thing that bothers me.

    You totally misunderstood Mazzyx there. Feral (and you) are wrong in several of those examples because they are not limited by time spent. They are limited money. Which you claim is exactly what you want: pay money, get your game stuff.

  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I'm probably describing my feelings as a little more extreme than they actually are.

    In a PvE game like WoW (*cough*) it's a little more forgivable to have talents unlock. In a PvP game like LoL or TF2 I think it's pretty bad.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
    the "no true scotch, man" fallacy.
  • Rear Admiral ChocoRear Admiral Choco Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I just had a personal disaster worse than the flooding in Pakistan, the earthquakes in Haiti, and pretty much anything else you care to name.

    I dropped my goddamn fries.

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  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    You totally misunderstood Mazzyx there. Feral (and you) are wrong in several of those examples because they are not limited by time spent. They are limited money. Which you claim is exactly what you want: pay money, get your game stuff.

    I think you misunderstood my point.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
    the "no true scotch, man" fallacy.
  • MazzyxMazzyx A Restoration through Revolution. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    But it is the point of most mmos to level, gain abilities then raid to gain more items and abilities and increase the ones. That is the draw. In fact leveling and gaining abilities is a pretty standard draw in all rpgs and their derivatives.

    Really you are comparing apples and monkey wrenches there Feral. Guess the games like that you just aren't for you.

    Also you could say, you can't use Serra Angel because you didn't buy enough packs to draw one. You can't use Nob Bikers because you don't spend enough money to make a full unit.

    The last one in TF2 you can't use kritzkrieg because you haven't earned the it through the achievements.

    Really sorry to pop your bubble.

    no, all of those things are like each other. I am right with feral on this... I want to purchase entertainment with dollars, not earn it with time spent doing things I don't enjoy. Anything I have to earn spending time doing things I don't enjoy bothers me and makes me enjoy the game less, and grouping those things together is very legitimate regardless of the reasons other people don't mind this thing that bothers me.

    The game play of WoW is leveling and gaining abilities and such. Thus you spend the 15 a month to get that. If you don't want that then don't get WoW.

    Though I agree with games like LoL or TF2 it is stupid because it lessens the main idea of the game. I don't play TF2 anymore because I don't like the item idea or bosses and such. But in WoW it is the design of the game.

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  • RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    In other news, I got a call today to come in for an interview for a job at 3:09 for an interview at 4:30. Just barely had time to shave and run to the bus. Totally aced the interview (though it's the first of a couple).

    For some reason though they were all in a rush to bring me in for a job that doesn't start until late January.

  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    James wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    I am not a fan of unlocking them in a game like LoL. In things like WoW though I understand since it gives you something every time you level up in a game based on making you wanting to play longer to pay for more.

    I'd play more if I started with all the talents available to me.

    I might have kept playing!

    Having them unlock is good for new players, because it keeps them from being overwhelmed by too many choices too quickly. They can examine what talents they would prefer as they learn their class.

    On the other hand, if someone is experienced, it would be nice to have access to all of it up front.

    or just have an unlock talent tree that players can opt out of?

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  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    The game play of WoW is leveling and gaining abilities and such. Thus you spend the 15 a month to get that. If you don't want that then don't get WoW.

    Though I agree with games like LoL or TF2 it is stupid because it lessens the main idea of the game. I don't play TF2 anymore because I don't like the item idea or bosses and such. But in WoW it is the design of the game.

    In WoW what I found most enjoyable was the actual dungeon crawl; being a tank and keeping my team alive, marking targets for crowd control, etc. Frankly, I think that's the draw for a lot of people, which is why people try to level quickly and then get to the endgame, because they don't want to level, they're not paying to level, they're paying to kill monsters in dungeons. That doesn't describe the entire WoW playerbase, obviously, but I don't think any one particular player archetype does.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
    the "no true scotch, man" fallacy.
  • Rear Admiral ChocoRear Admiral Choco Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I think what's being said is for good competitive game design every option should be available from the get-go, no additional time/money needed.

    I can agree with that for PVP, that's pretty much the best way you could do it. I think I prefer the power to scale up as you go for single-player or cooperative games, though.

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  • Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot WRIGGLY OMG WRIGGLYRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    ugh what a poo poo night

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  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies Registered User regular
    edited December 2010

    You totally misunderstood Mazzyx there. Feral (and you) are wrong in several of those examples because they are not limited by time spent. They are limited money. Which you claim is exactly what you want: pay money, get your game stuff.

    Then i did misunderstand. Sorry duders

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  • RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Feral wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    The game play of WoW is leveling and gaining abilities and such. Thus you spend the 15 a month to get that. If you don't want that then don't get WoW.

    Though I agree with games like LoL or TF2 it is stupid because it lessens the main idea of the game. I don't play TF2 anymore because I don't like the item idea or bosses and such. But in WoW it is the design of the game.

    In WoW what I found most enjoyable was the actual dungeon crawl; being a tank and keeping my team alive, marking targets for crowd control, etc. Frankly, I think that's the draw for a lot of people, which is why people try to level quickly and then get to the endgame, because they don't want to level, they're not paying to level, they're paying to kill monsters in dungeons.

    On the other hand, as soon as I ever got even close to max level in wow was exactly when I quit. I can't stand the kind of experience "end game" people like.

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