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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    You know, considering the whole rainbow of options that stereotypical sheltered impressionable first-year college students have open to them when it comes to being transmogrified into an intolerable asshole via exposure to new ideas and whatnot, "self-righteous bleeding heart" is one of the less painful options.

    I mean, would you sooner have them advocate for the complete dismantling of the welfare state because Ayn Rand says so?

    Heck, I'd sooner have a naive first-year college student become politically active than simply sitting around their dorm all day playing WoW and/or getting stoned.

    I think the issue is that for the most part they trade parroting their parents opinions to parroting their favorite professors and at no point show independent thought. I'd rather have a stoner talk about how cool blue is then listen to some regurgitated opinion.

    You say that like stoner wisdom isn't equally regurgitated.

    Man.

    I'm just saying that going from naif to save-the-world-now-activist seems to be a better overall option than going from naif to apathetic, cynical misanthrope, even if it's painful to deal with the save-the-world-now types before they've developed some nuance.

    When really stoned me and some other peeps came up with the perfect place for world peace.

    We find an average guy and give him a secret remote control. If he pressed the button on this remote control it will trigger every nuclear weapon on the planet assuring everyone's demise.

    Basically everyone would go out of their way to be reaaaalllly nice to each other because no one would want to accidentally blow up the world.

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  • GalahadGalahad Registered User regular
    DK -- I'm curious why the doors on that house refuse to open?

    Also, I think everyone's gotten over their minecraft crush. I see little changes you've made... but doesn't look like anyone else logs in.

  • HonkHonk Registered User regular
    Nerdgasmic wrote: »
    zen always seemed pretty cool to me

    me too

  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    Fartacus wrote: »
    I think what it comes down to is something like this

    Whenever anyone brings up discrimination against whites, even in jest

    It deeply irks me

    It's not that it's not true, per se, but that even choosing to talk about it strikes me as so inherently suspect

    I can't dissociate it from stuff like Fox News talking heads trying to scare white grandparents with stories of some black kids beating up a white kid at an inner-city school somewhere. Meanwhile 1/9 black men 18-25 are in jail, and despite roughly equal incidence of actual drug use, black people are far more likely to be caught, far more likely to be charged once caught, and far more likely to be convicted if charged.

    Like any discussion of non-white discrimination against whites, to me, activates some alarm bell. It just always seems to scream to me "Lock your doors, the n*****s are coming!" or even worse "see they deserve what they get."

    The reality is that we live in a world of overwhelming oppression and injustice. The poor, minorities, women, the disabled, queer people -- there are so many groups that face real, institutional, overwhelming injustice and have suffering enforced upon them and it should break people's heart and make them angry

    Here's the quote tree that set me off:
    Fartacus wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Fartacus wrote: »
    I think the only drugs college-going white kids consider dirty or off-limits are meth, heroin, and crack.

    Not to talk in generalities that could be construed as racist or anything...

    it's not racist if it's about white people

    literally not joking here

    Was it a stupid thing to say, that I then spent ~100 posts sort of slowly calming down and backtracking from? Yeah. It was.

    But because there's something about comments like that (even though I know it was partially in jest) that strikes me as insensitive, trivializing, or even somehow immoral.

    I guess there is a part of me that feels like, yeah, it's almost immoral to even talk about discrimination against whites, because the discrimination against non-whites is so overwhelming and yet so little talked about in the mainstream (another part of the structure of oppression). By discussing the harm that comes to whites, I think it unavoidably participates in a culture of equivocation that is desensitizing at best.

    It's like when we show stereotypical characters on TV -- the black drug deal, the corrupt black politician, the absent black father, the promiscuous young black woman -- and people so often justify these portrayals as "well but there are people like that!" And yes, there are. But in the absence of portrayals of the equally real people who are not like that, those stereotypical portrayals take on a significance beyond merely being stories.

    To borrow a phrase from a brilliant TED talk, they become the single story, and it is a dehumanizing story.

    So, while, yes, there are black drug dealers and corrupt black politicians, there is something immoral about portraying those stories in the context of the current media environment we live in -- unless you're going to also do your part to portray real, sympathetic characters who are equally as true to life but also positive (see: the Wire).

    I guess the anger I feel when I see commercials for The Chicago Code is the same thing that gets dredged up whenever anyone talks about whites being on the receiving end of discrimination. It makes me want to scream where are your priorities?

    I feel there is something inherently political, something perhaps even detrimental about it. Yes, it's true, and yes, it's also absolutely wrong, and yes we absolutely should have empathy for its victims for they are also human and they also suffer.

    But something about it feels wrong when suffering of such enormous magnitude is left out of the discussion entirely.

    I don't know if that's justified, but that's the feeling that triggered my initial response, in case anyone's curious.

    It's not justified. At all. I can explain to you why and in detail, but only if you are interested in hearing it.

  • ArchArch Trust me, I'm a scientist Registered User regular
    Galahad wrote: »
    DK -- I'm curious why the doors on that house refuse to open?

    Also, I think everyone's gotten over their minecraft crush. I see little changes you've made... but doesn't look like anyone else logs in.

    ......yeah.........

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    zen's cool but he's an angry little man too

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    jesus christ its so nice to just sit here you have no idea

    my locker is fucking tight and our room is p okay

    so tomorrow it'll take like half an hour to make everything perfect

    or porn, as we say

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  • NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    Honk wrote: »
    Nerdgasmic wrote: »
    zen always seemed pretty cool to me

    me too

    come with me, bro

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  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong and a cast of thousands Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    no, although that is a good thought!

    the idea is that evolution acts either on the genotype or the phenotype

    gene-centrists believe that the gene is the unit of selection, whereas the alternate view posits that it is the phenotype that is the unit of selection

    I'm not a biologist, I've only taken high school biology and brushed up on a few things relating to mitosis in the past few years but aren't both those options silly? Evolution tends to act on a chemical level where shit goes "wrong" either accidentally or by pressure of conditions and if it turns out to be a successful mutation, it spreads through the gene pool by survival of the fittest.

    Whether that is expressed as a phenotype, a new gene, a deleted gene, lots of deleted genes, activation of previously inactivated shit, promotion, whatever... That part seems irrelevant; it all falls under the same umbrella of evolution.

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  • WinkyWinky Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    jesus christ its so nice to just sit here you have no idea

    my locker is fucking tight and our room is p okay

    so tomorrow it'll take like half an hour to make everything perfect

    or porn, as we say

    So, are you doing mandatory military service or something?

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  • ArchArch Trust me, I'm a scientist Registered User regular
    oh i wasnt intending to say i disliked zen

    i like zen a lot

    he is like preacher

    just ignore what he says and pat him on the head

  • Psycho Internet HawkPsycho Internet Hawk Registered User regular
    Zen's a dick but he's a 99% correct dick

    and let's be honest, everyone on this forum is a dick anyway

    dick dick dick dick

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  • FroThulhuFroThulhu Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    I like pro wrestling as well, zen's a cool guy unlike you lames.

    I'll make sure to note next time Fart's being a racist not to call him out on it because it offends him.

    Man, I'm not sure Fartacus was actually being racist. I thought we established that he's white; being as he's white, and was talking about white people, I wouldn't say that makes him racist. It might make him full of shit (I wouldn't go that far, actually), not not racist.

    Cinders wrote: »
    Dogs helped us evolve and create new technology.
    New technology eventually led to the band Queen.
    Without dogs we never would have had Freddy Mercury.
    Declarative Statement!
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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    Farty I am willing to engage you in a conversation about why I feel your outrage and reactionary glibness is unjustified and wrong, but only if you actually want to continue the conversation. It's already been extremely lengthy and if you'd rather not, that's is also okay.

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    man after adding him to my facebook I relived what a bro Zen is

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    I've been waiting for the monster patch to work on multiplayer before I jump on DK's Minecraft server.

    Once it does, I'm in.

  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    Speaking of privileged, naive, first-year college students, today I spent close to $400 on textbooks.

    For two classes.

    In related news, would anyone perhaps like to buy one of my plump and succulent kidneys?

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  • WashWash Registered User regular
    The weirdest choice in the movie Taxi Driver was making both the pimp and prostitute white

    NYC back then, finding a white pimp was like finding a charizard in your booster pack when you were a kid

    They exist, but that shit is rare

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  • Look Out it's Sabs!Look Out it's Sabs! Registered User regular
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Speaking of privileged, naive, first-year college students, today I spent close to $400 on textbooks.

    For two classes.

    In related news, would anyone perhaps like to buy one of my plump and succulent kidneys?

    This is why I love my archaeology classes cause most of the time we just read journal articles that you get online. :)

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  • FartacusFartacus __BANNED USERS
    Preacher wrote: »
    I like pro wrestling as well, zen's a cool guy unlike you lames.

    I'll make sure to note next time Fart's being a racist not to call him out on it because it offends him.

    Wait, do you genuinely think it was racist that I said college white kids generally consider crack, heroin, and meth to be the "dirty" or "hard" drugs?

    Really?

    You of all people?

  • CindersCinders Registered User regular
    Is it a baby kidney?

  • ArchArch Trust me, I'm a scientist Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    no, although that is a good thought!

    the idea is that evolution acts either on the genotype or the phenotype

    gene-centrists believe that the gene is the unit of selection, whereas the alternate view posits that it is the phenotype that is the unit of selection

    I'm not a biologist, I've only taken high school biology and brushed up on a few things relating to mitosis in the past few years but aren't both those options silly? Evolution tends to act on a chemical level where shit goes "wrong" either accidentally or by pressure of conditions and if it turns out to be a successful mutation, it spreads through the gene pool by survival of the fittest.

    Whether that is expressed as a phenotype, a new gene, a deleted gene, lots of deleted genes, activation of previously inactivated shit, promotion, whatever... That part seems irrelevant; it all falls under the same umbrella of evolution.

    It is a bit more nuanced than that, and the distinction is somewhat important to how some research is carried out.

    Ultimately I really feel it is completely silly to separate it into an either/or, as both genotype AND phenotype are acted upon by natural selection at different times and in different ways to produce diversity and novelty, but the medial stance is generally not publicized. When forced to pick I choose phenotype over genotype as the unit upon which selection acts.

  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    Thanatos wrote: »
    I've been waiting for the monster patch to work on multiplayer before I jump on DK's Minecraft server.

    Once it does, I'm in.

    what monster patch?

    if you mean for monsters to work in SMP, Thanny, they do

    they have for a couple weeks now

    SMP is identical to single-player except there's no Nether

  • FartacusFartacus __BANNED USERS
    Pony wrote: »
    It's not justified. At all. I can explain to you why and in detail, but only if you are interested in hearing it.

    natch

  • TL DRTL DR Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    technology can in fact go a long way to assuaging racial, class, gender, etc tension and problems*


    *provided that all of those groups are afforded equal access to those things which is THE HUGE DISCLAIMER HERE

    I would say that technology is a great way to afford equal access to technology.

    buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu


    hey winky one of my potential grad school advisors doesn't agree with the gene-centered view of evolution
    Spoiler:

    Is this just the idea that DNA is not the end-all be-all of evolution, but itself a trait which happened to be advantageous? Because I'd agree with that.

    no, although that is a good thought!

    the idea is that evolution acts either on the genotype or the phenotype

    gene-centrists believe that the gene is the unit of selection, whereas the alternate view posits that it is the phenotype that is the unit of selection

    What do you think? Seems to me that selection wouldn't be granular enough to act on genes; an expressed trait is going to be the deciding factor, regardless of the genetic precursors.

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  • LudiousLudious Registered User regular
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Speaking of privileged, naive, first-year college students, today I spent close to $400 on textbooks.

    For two classes.

    In related news, would anyone perhaps like to buy one of my plump and succulent kidneys?

    vegan kidneys..ehhhhn.

    I'll pass.

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  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    Cinders wrote: »
    Is it a baby kidney?

    It's a white baby kidney.

    Only slightly used.

    $400, please.

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  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong and a cast of thousands Registered User regular
    Galahad wrote: »
    DK -- I'm curious why the doors on that house refuse to open?

    Also, I think everyone's gotten over their minecraft crush. I see little changes you've made... but doesn't look like anyone else logs in.

    It must be a glitch because it's in the protected spawn area. I took the doors off for a while but then monsters kept roaming in!

    The minecraft crush has largely ended, yeah. People log in on occasion but leave quickly once they notice the hMod commands are gone (RIP hMod). I'm gonna post the world files this weekend and probably close up the server. It's getting to be a pain to keep running 24/7 when not many people are using it.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    The weirdest choice in the movie Taxi Driver was making both the pimp and prostitute white

    NYC back then, finding a white pimp was like finding a charizard in your booster pack when you were a kid

    They exist, but that shit is rare

    the pimp was expanded into a real role solely for Harvey Keitel

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    jesus christ its so nice to just sit here you have no idea

    my locker is fucking tight and our room is p okay

    so tomorrow it'll take like half an hour to make everything perfect

    or porn, as we say
    Make sure you rub your balls on everything in the room.

    Gotta mark your territory.

  • FartacusFartacus __BANNED USERS
    FroThulhu wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    I like pro wrestling as well, zen's a cool guy unlike you lames.

    I'll make sure to note next time Fart's being a racist not to call him out on it because it offends him.

    Man, I'm not sure Fartacus was actually being racist. I thought we established that he's white; being as he's white, and was talking about white people, I wouldn't say that makes him racist. It might make him full of shit (I wouldn't go that far, actually), not not racist.

    yeah and he's not even talking about the actual argument

    he's talking about before the argument when i said white kids at college frown on crack, heroin, and meth

    like

    what

  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    FroThulhu wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    I like pro wrestling as well, zen's a cool guy unlike you lames.

    I'll make sure to note next time Fart's being a racist not to call him out on it because it offends him.

    Man, I'm not sure Fartacus was actually being racist. I thought we established that he's white; being as he's white, and was talking about white people, I wouldn't say that makes him racist. It might make him full of shit (I wouldn't go that far, actually), not not racist.

    You can have self-hating Jews. Self-hating blacks. Why can't you have white people who are chronically disgusted with whiteness in general? You know, Dances with Wolves-itis.

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  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    The weirdest choice in the movie Taxi Driver was making both the pimp and prostitute white

    NYC back then, finding a white pimp was like finding a charizard in your booster pack when you were a kid

    They exist, but that shit is rare

    the pimp was expanded into a real role solely for Harvey Keitel

    And said pimp was a black dude in the original script, if I recall.

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  • FroThulhuFroThulhu Registered User regular
    Fartacus wrote: »
    FroThulhu wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    I like pro wrestling as well, zen's a cool guy unlike you lames.

    I'll make sure to note next time Fart's being a racist not to call him out on it because it offends him.

    Man, I'm not sure Fartacus was actually being racist. I thought we established that he's white; being as he's white, and was talking about white people, I wouldn't say that makes him racist. It might make him full of shit (I wouldn't go that far, actually), not not racist.

    yeah and he's not even talking about the actual argument

    he's talking about before the argument when i said white kids at college frown on crack, heroin, and meth

    like

    what

    Ok. I... I'm gonna have to go check that out, in context.

    Because, uh... seriously, there was some whiny bullshit going on, if that was what sparked the whole thing.

    Cinders wrote: »
    Dogs helped us evolve and create new technology.
    New technology eventually led to the band Queen.
    Without dogs we never would have had Freddy Mercury.
    Declarative Statement!
    XBL: DexHavok
  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    White people are the fucking worst.

    I mean, I'm awesome, but most white people fucking suck.

  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    British Foreign Office advises against all but essential travel to Cairo, Alexandria, Luxor and Suez.

    Way to keep up with events there, guys.

  • FartacusFartacus __BANNED USERS
    Thanatos wrote: »
    White people are the fucking worst.

    oh brett <3

    /swoon

  • GalahadGalahad Registered User regular
    Galahad wrote: »
    DK -- I'm curious why the doors on that house refuse to open?

    Also, I think everyone's gotten over their minecraft crush. I see little changes you've made... but doesn't look like anyone else logs in.

    It must be a glitch because it's in the protected spawn area. I took the doors off for a while but then monsters kept roaming in!

    The minecraft crush has largely ended, yeah. People log in on occasion but leave quickly once they notice the hMod commands are gone (RIP hMod). I'm gonna post the world files this weekend and probably close up the server. It's getting to be a pain to keep running 24/7 when not many people are using it.

    Aw. Ah well.

    Whelp, I'll probably continue to poke around occasionally for as long as it is there.

    I built a quick little bunker immediately in front of the house that anybody is welcome to use, and started something a little more permanent down at the end of the beach.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Fartacus wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    I like pro wrestling as well, zen's a cool guy unlike you lames.

    I'll make sure to note next time Fart's being a racist not to call him out on it because it offends him.

    Wait, do you genuinely think it was racist that I said college white kids generally consider crack, heroin, and meth to be the "dirty" or "hard" drugs?

    Really?

    You of all people?

    It's more that you made generalized statements about an entire group of people based on your limited interaction with them. You use "white people" as a stand in for the small group you've met and then transpose that to them all. All the white kids I knew in college if they did any drug it was pot and that was it.

    This statement combined with your laughable other views is about as joking as rush limbaugh speaking on any minority. You clearly don't like white people, you couch it in a joke but it isn't funny, it won't be funny, because frankly you're a fucking racist.

  • WinkyWinky Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    no, although that is a good thought!

    the idea is that evolution acts either on the genotype or the phenotype

    gene-centrists believe that the gene is the unit of selection, whereas the alternate view posits that it is the phenotype that is the unit of selection

    I'm not a biologist, I've only taken high school biology and brushed up on a few things relating to mitosis in the past few years but aren't both those options silly? Evolution tends to act on a chemical level where shit goes "wrong" either accidentally or by pressure of conditions and if it turns out to be a successful mutation, it spreads through the gene pool by survival of the fittest.

    Whether that is expressed as a phenotype, a new gene, a deleted gene, lots of deleted genes, activation of previously inactivated shit, promotion, whatever... That part seems irrelevant; it all falls under the same umbrella of evolution.

    It is hard for me to describe the central disagreement in simple terms.

    So, I'll frame it like this: group selection, though I know this isn't exactly what Arch is getting at.

    So, group selectionists think that a trait may evolve into a population of animals because it benefits the survival of the entire population of animals. Say, food sharing. If one of the animals shares his food with all of the rest of them, his particular genetic fitness will go down, but the entire population's fitness will go up. If the group is the unit of selection, then selective forces will cause this trait to appear.

    Now, if the gene is the unit of selection, then no matter what a trait won't get selected for unless it enhances the fitness of the gene itself. So a food sharing trait like that would never get selected for just because it increases the fitness of the group. The trait would only get selected for if it benefited the fitness of the gene, because the selective pressure is felt on the gene and not the population.

    EDIT:
    Or, you could look at other levels, like if the organism is the unit of selection, or if the phenotypic expression of the gene is the unit of selection, etc.

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