What does Riot care at this point. They got their payday from their investor. They can just all go tell people to fuck off now. If this IP thing is still in place when PAX East happens I think those of you that are attending should give the Riot people there a piece of your mind.
Either they A: Miscalculated the IP reward system so numbers are too low or B: They are going directly against all the stuff they've said they meant it to do just to screw people.
Gonna say its probably A. Its not like that kind of stuff doesn't happen.
i dunno, i'm starting to think that they like the ability to totally just fuck with their player base and know that nothing will come of it because they'll all come back.
i dunno, i'm starting to think that they like the ability to totally just fuck with their player base and know that nothing will come of it because they'll all come back.
Either they A: Miscalculated the IP reward system so numbers are too low or B: They are going directly against all the stuff they've said they meant it to do just to screw people.
Gonna say its probably A. Its not like that kind of stuff doesn't happen.
I think i'm in this camp as well. I'm expecting the apologetic riot response followed by the hotfix later today. Followed by free IP boosts all around.
Actually we haven't gotten a free boost in awhile, unless I missed one?
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i dunno, i'm starting to think that they like the ability to totally just fuck with their player base and know that nothing will come of it because they'll all come back.
That would be the FFXI Theorem
More like the FFXIV Theorem. In common parlance, hahahahahahahahaha.
When I see something that goes against what Riot said, like the IP, I have two assumptions I can make. One is to assume they're incompetant, the other is to assume they're malevolent. Riot Games has demonstrated time and time again that I should assume the first.
When I see something that goes against what Riot said, like the IP, I have two assumptions I can make. One is to assume they're incompetant, the other is to assume they're malevolent. Riot Games has demonstrated time and time again that I should assume the first.
Confirmation bias.
You only notice when they fuck up.
That you enjoy playing this game everyone complains about indicates they actually do things right more often than not.
When I see something that goes against what Riot said, like the IP, I have two assumptions I can make. One is to assume they're incompetant, the other is to assume they're malevolent. Riot Games has demonstrated time and time again that I should assume the first.
Confirmation bias.
You only notice when they fuck up.
That you enjoy playing this game everyone complains about indicates they actually do things right more often than not.
Not necessarily. We can't assume he even plays the game currently. He could just be coming in after cancelling his subscription to tell us all he is quitting.
Wait....
Honestly though, incompetence is not word you want here. They make a game that a LARGE amount of people play and enjoy on a daily basis. That is a far cry from incompetent. But as I have literally just had this debate in another thread regarding this exact issue with a different game. I refuse to have it again So I won't say any more on this particular issue.
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When I see something that goes against what Riot said, like the IP, I have two assumptions I can make. One is to assume they're incompetant, the other is to assume they're malevolent. Riot Games has demonstrated time and time again that I should assume the first.
Confirmation bias.
You only notice when they fuck up.
That you enjoy playing this game everyone complains about indicates they actually do things right more often than not.
I was speaking specifically about things that go against Riot's stated goals. :P
Perhaps I should have worded it "Riot never says 'yeah we said in the patch notes we were doing this thing, but actually we decided to just shit on everyone's desk'. They typically say 'yeah that wasn't supposed to happen we fucked up'."
It has to be an error, but they really need to address it one way or the other soon.
Agreed. And mark my words it will come with an IP boost for 3 days. Everyone will end up making more IP than without the error, but noone will make mention of that.
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Game developer makes a change in a patch and lowballs the numbers to be on the safe side rather than dumping a bunch of free shit on players. Players will complain (lose their shit) and the developer will fix numbers to be more reasonable. Life will go on.
edit.. on another note, I really wish I liked a ranged physical char because I hate having to gamble with my life as a melee.
edit #2.. just looked at the dota2 site since someone mentioned it. kind of lame that it seems they're just putting the same game in a new engine but some of the shit they talk about like on the fly spectating and whatnot sounds pretty noice.
I really dont think its an error since they could have just said so on their website and the rage would have been greatly diminished . Im not going to claim to stop playing the game but I wont pretend that the new ip system ( if this was intended) doesn't suck either.
We have completely overhauled the IP and XP system in order to make it more fair. Our intention was to leave the overall XP and IP gained by players unchanged.
Previously, IP and XP were awarded for winning or losing a game. Now, they are granted based on how long the game was, and whether you won or lost.
In a long game, you will make significantly more XP and IP than before. However, in a very short game, you will make less IP and XP. We found it frustrating to be stuck in an hour long games, and then get what was effectively 30 minutes of IP reward.
When calculating the number of minutes the game took, we only award for actual game time. However, we give all games a small fixed bonus reward, which is to give you credit for time in queue and champion selection.
Other details:
We have also tweaked the formulas so that new players get larger quantities of IP in their first 10 or so levels so that they can unlock their first Champions more quickly.
First Win of the Day remains unchanged – it is still a flat bonus you will receive when you are eligible.
We removed the no-leave-streak bonus and increased the IP rewards in general to compensate. The reason we did this is because we felt that with the new LeaverBuster system, this was no longer necessary.
Hm. This isn't really jiving with what I've seen so far.
I think you may have got your formulas wrong and/or mixed-up, Riot. :P
We have completely overhauled the IP and XP system in order to make it more fair. Our intention was to leave the overall XP and IP gained by players unchanged.
Previously, IP and XP were awarded for winning or losing a game. Now, they are granted based on how long the game was, and whether you won or lost.
In a long game, you will make significantly more XP and IP than before. However, in a very short game, you will make less IP and XP. We found it frustrating to be stuck in an hour long games, and then get what was effectively 30 minutes of IP reward.
When calculating the number of minutes the game took, we only award for actual game time. However, we give all games a small fixed bonus reward, which is to give you credit for time in queue and champion selection.
Other details:
We have also tweaked the formulas so that new players get larger quantities of IP in their first 10 or so levels so that they can unlock their first Champions more quickly.
First Win of the Day remains unchanged – it is still a flat bonus you will receive when you are eligible.
We removed the no-leave-streak bonus and increased the IP rewards in general to compensate. The reason we did this is because we felt that with the new LeaverBuster system, this was no longer necessary.
Hm. This isn't really jiving with what I've seen so far.
I think you may have got your formulas wrong and/or mixed-up, Riot. :P
Precisely why i'm in the "It's an error" camp.
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Either that or the new Chinese CEO was like "yeah fuck that, give them less IP" at the last minute.
Please do remember that they were recently the object of a takeover by a foreign investor from a country where people think nothing of grinding an extra hundred hours on a level treadmill just cuz'.
We have also tweaked the formulas so that new players get larger quantities of IP in their first 10 or so levels so that they can unlock their first Champions more quickly.
I wonder if that's part of it......if they tweaked beginning IP gain...stands to reason they would have to re-adjust the typical lvl 30 player's IP gain.
Just got 235 IP for a 35 minute win including win of the day. Last one prior to patch was 261 IP. So.. seems about a 30 IP loss per game of average length and even more of a loss on a quick surrender/win. They should have just given bonus IP for games over 45 mins.
I really dont think its an error since they could have just said so on their website and the rage would have been greatly diminished . Im not going to claim to stop playing the game but I wont pretend that the new ip system ( if this was intended) doesn't suck either.
I'm thinking it was an error. I mean, they have their patch notes right on the front page of the website explaining that you'll, for the most part, receive similar IP/XP to what you got before. It'd be awfully silly to do that sort of lying.
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Either that or the new Chinese CEO was like "yeah fuck that, give them less IP" at the last minute.
Please do remember that they were recently the object of a takeover by a foreign investor from a country where people think nothing of grinding an extra hundred hours on a level treadmill just cuz'.
why does him being chinese have anything to do with anything
Either that or the new Chinese CEO was like "yeah fuck that, give them less IP" at the last minute.
Please do remember that they were recently the object of a takeover by a foreign investor from a country where people think nothing of grinding an extra hundred hours on a level treadmill just cuz'.
One in which Riot games has repeatedly said "we remain in control of our company" about.
I mean, you can disbelieve that if you want, but if you're going to assume that a company is lying to you at every turn you probably shouldn't support their game.
As someone who is bad at this game, should I be trying to play every hero at least once? I suck enough that I try to stick to what I feel like I at least know a little of (ranged support/casters/Rammus), but I don't think I'm actually getting much better.
Best change so far is champs showing barriers and their remaining strength in their health bars.
Does this only apply to yourself or can you see it on enemy champions too? So for instance, you can tell how close you are to popping Sion's shield?
Well, only saw it in one game against an enemy Udyr. Everytime he turtle stanced I noticed it would display the shield strength as part of his health bar. Let's you know if you are actually tearing down that shield or if you are wasting your time.
Either that or the new Chinese CEO was like "yeah fuck that, give them less IP" at the last minute.
Please do remember that they were recently the object of a takeover by a foreign investor from a country where people think nothing of grinding an extra hundred hours on a level treadmill just cuz'.
why does him being chinese have anything to do with anything
Because that's the stereotype for Chinese MMOs. I'd be saying the same thing if a South Korean company bought them out too. Or getting ready for crashes to desktop if an Eastern European company bought them out.
Although they have said repeatedly that they aren't going to change anything. Hopefully that holds true.
As someone who is bad at this game, should I be trying to play every hero at least once? I suck enough that I try to stick to what I feel like I at least know a little of (ranged support/casters/Rammus), but I don't think I'm actually getting much better.
Yeah, it's beneficial to know how to play against every champ in the game. It's very hard to learn how to exploit weaknesses, and keep from being surprised by a combo or ability you didn't expect without actually playing the respective champ beforehand.
What I do is try to at least run a few test games every week with the free to play champs I haven't actually played yet. So if Ashe if available, then I'll run a test game with her, and then maybe a normal if I feel strong enough with said champ after.
You will be surprised how much just running a short test round will teach you about a champion.
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What does Riot care at this point. They got their payday from their investor. They can just all go tell people to fuck off now. If this IP thing is still in place when PAX East happens I think those of you that are attending should give the Riot people there a piece of your mind.
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i think it is called no internal testing.
everyone knows that live is the new beta.
UNPOSSIBLE!
Either they A: Miscalculated the IP reward system so numbers are too low or B: They are going directly against all the stuff they've said they meant it to do just to screw people.
Gonna say its probably A. Its not like that kind of stuff doesn't happen.
That would be the FFXI Theorem
Edit: 19min victory, 63 IP. Hrm.
I think i'm in this camp as well. I'm expecting the apologetic riot response followed by the hotfix later today. Followed by free IP boosts all around.
Actually we haven't gotten a free boost in awhile, unless I missed one?
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More like the FFXIV Theorem. In common parlance, hahahahahahahahaha.
Confirmation bias.
You only notice when they fuck up.
That you enjoy playing this game everyone complains about indicates they actually do things right more often than not.
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Not necessarily. We can't assume he even plays the game currently. He could just be coming in after cancelling his subscription to tell us all he is quitting.
Wait....
Honestly though, incompetence is not word you want here. They make a game that a LARGE amount of people play and enjoy on a daily basis. That is a far cry from incompetent. But as I have literally just had this debate in another thread regarding this exact issue with a different game. I refuse to have it again
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I was speaking specifically about things that go against Riot's stated goals. :P
Perhaps I should have worded it "Riot never says 'yeah we said in the patch notes we were doing this thing, but actually we decided to just shit on everyone's desk'. They typically say 'yeah that wasn't supposed to happen we fucked up'."
Incompetence is a harsh word, I suppose.
Agreed. And mark my words it will come with an IP boost for 3 days. Everyone will end up making more IP than without the error, but noone will make mention of that.
Calling it now
@I needed a name: Yup, I think we're on the same page here. (Literally AND figuratively!)
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Game developer makes a change in a patch and lowballs the numbers to be on the safe side rather than dumping a bunch of free shit on players. Players will complain (lose their shit) and the developer will fix numbers to be more reasonable. Life will go on.
edit.. on another note, I really wish I liked a ranged physical char because I hate having to gamble with my life as a melee.
edit #2.. just looked at the dota2 site since someone mentioned it. kind of lame that it seems they're just putting the same game in a new engine but some of the shit they talk about like on the fly spectating and whatnot sounds pretty noice.
Hm. This isn't really jiving with what I've seen so far.
I think you may have got your formulas wrong and/or mixed-up, Riot. :P
Precisely why i'm in the "It's an error" camp.
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Please do remember that they were recently the object of a takeover by a foreign investor from a country where people think nothing of grinding an extra hundred hours on a level treadmill just cuz'.
I wonder if that's part of it......if they tweaked beginning IP gain...stands to reason they would have to re-adjust the typical lvl 30 player's IP gain.
I'm thinking it was an error. I mean, they have their patch notes right on the front page of the website explaining that you'll, for the most part, receive similar IP/XP to what you got before. It'd be awfully silly to do that sort of lying.
why does him being chinese have anything to do with anything
One in which Riot games has repeatedly said "we remain in control of our company" about.
I mean, you can disbelieve that if you want, but if you're going to assume that a company is lying to you at every turn you probably shouldn't support their game.
I was wondering about that. Is is a pretty noticeable UI element?
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Does this only apply to yourself or can you see it on enemy champions too? So for instance, you can tell how close you are to popping Sion's shield?
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Well, only saw it in one game against an enemy Udyr. Everytime he turtle stanced I noticed it would display the shield strength as part of his health bar. Let's you know if you are actually tearing down that shield or if you are wasting your time.
You can see it on enemy champs too, but it does not seem to work with Sion's shield specifically, for whatever reason.
Because that's the stereotype for Chinese MMOs. I'd be saying the same thing if a South Korean company bought them out too. Or getting ready for crashes to desktop if an Eastern European company bought them out.
Although they have said repeatedly that they aren't going to change anything. Hopefully that holds true.
Yeah, it's beneficial to know how to play against every champ in the game. It's very hard to learn how to exploit weaknesses, and keep from being surprised by a combo or ability you didn't expect without actually playing the respective champ beforehand.
What I do is try to at least run a few test games every week with the free to play champs I haven't actually played yet. So if Ashe if available, then I'll run a test game with her, and then maybe a normal if I feel strong enough with said champ after.
You will be surprised how much just running a short test round will teach you about a champion.