The /mensrights section is really depressing, because of both the stories posted there and the responses to them.
Oh, god.
Yeah, it's a strange juxtaposition.
*Article about sexism towards men*
Man that is fucked up.
*Comments full of ignorance and (I hate using this term but it applies here) male privilege*
Welp.
Yep, that pretty much sums up the men's rights movement.
Which seems rather strange, I mean.....except for very specific areas such as paternal rights, divorce proceedings, and being alone around young children, they have like....all the rights?
Criminal trials, specifically statutory rape, but pick just about any crime men serve longer sentences.
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Actually Steve there is a number for the post service investigation folks who work on tampered mail. Its a federal offense so something most police probably don't deal with often.
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KageraImitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered Userregular
Last I checked Chu is right in almost all combat sports. You have from light weight to ultra heavy weight style classes. Except I think Sumo is just one pool but you fight people at your level.
Well as much as hollywood and martial arts movies try to say the opposite. Most of the time in a major weight disparity the smaller guy is going to catch the god damn brunt of a beating. I mean think of it in the wild, elephant vs just about any other animal one on one means a win for the elephant.
Oh I full agree with this. Unless the guy is some sort of prodigy like Bruce Lee or is trained fighting someone untrained, if both have equal skill the bigger guy wins.
Yeah, its just a matter of being able to absorb punishment that the other person can not. And then in turn dishing out a beating, most of the time it would be a one sided fight, and if you've ever seen one of those, its not fucking pretty.
Factor into this the image of a woman being on the losing end and that just puts it into an uncomfortable place.
so one day some big guy wants to start some shit. "Show me some karate," he says. So my friend takes a step back, gets into a fighting stance, takes measure of the guy by looking him up and down. "What are you gonna do?" "Just sit there for a minute..." The guy starts getting a bit nervous. "What are you doing?" "Hang on a sec!" Then the guy loses his nerve and is like "Forget it"
my friend doesn't know anything about martial arts at all.
Actually Steve there is a number for the post service investigation folks who work on tampered mail. Its a federal offense so something most police probably don't deal with often.
And its a serious crime they don't fuck around with.
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
hooo boy. The morning caffine has worn off and I'm really starting to feel how late I was up last night. Curse you amazon in delivering those Warehouse 13 DVDs so promptly!
I'm willing to bet that if she's a champion high school wrestler she's not all that worried about some dude grabbing her tits in a match. I don't see sexual assault charges being a huge possibility in her case.
The girl is probably okay with it.
But the guy isn't, and his uncomfortableness should be valued just as much as a lady's
I have to disagree.
Which part do you disagree on?
I think a lot of his uncomfortableness is based on an unhealthy social model.
Last I checked Chu is right in almost all combat sports. You have from light weight to ultra heavy weight style classes. Except I think Sumo is just one pool but you fight people at your level.
Well as much as hollywood and martial arts movies try to say the opposite. Most of the time in a major weight disparity the smaller guy is going to catch the god damn brunt of a beating. I mean think of it in the wild, elephant vs just about any other animal one on one means a win for the elephant.
there's some account i read by a member of shayetet thirteen (of flotilla fame), the israeli naval commando force
early in his krav training he was in a lesson about facing multiple unarmed opponents
and they're training for hours and sweaty and beat down
and he asks the instructor,
"what do i do if they're big"
and the instructor laughs in his face and walks away
I loved one of my instructors for this
he basically sat us down and said "if they're bigger and/or there's more of them then there are of you, you're going to lose."
smart man. made sure everyone knew to stay out of those situations but, if you're gonna be in one, the best way to take less of an ass whuppin'
well, i totally disagree that you're necessarily going down just because there are more of them
but the chances of you losing dramatically increase with a direct correlation re: their size
Actually Steve there is a number for the post service investigation folks who work on tampered mail. Its a federal offense so something most police probably don't deal with often.
And its a serious crime they don't fuck around with.
They do chase people down for it. It is one of those like 25 years in ass rape prison things.
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Last I checked Chu is right in almost all combat sports. You have from light weight to ultra heavy weight style classes. Except I think Sumo is just one pool but you fight people at your level.
Well as much as hollywood and martial arts movies try to say the opposite. Most of the time in a major weight disparity the smaller guy is going to catch the god damn brunt of a beating. I mean think of it in the wild, elephant vs just about any other animal one on one means a win for the elephant.
Oh I full agree with this. Unless the guy is some sort of prodigy like Bruce Lee or is trained fighting someone untrained, if both have equal skill the bigger guy wins.
Yeah, its just a matter of being able to absorb punishment that the other person can not. And then in turn dishing out a beating, most of the time it would be a one sided fight, and if you've ever seen one of those, its not fucking pretty.
Factor into this the image of a woman being on the losing end and that just puts it into an uncomfortable place.
Exception: Muhammed Ali vs. George Foreman.
Um, those two were pretty equal in size.
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KageraImitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered Userregular
Actually Steve there is a number for the post service investigation folks who work on tampered mail. Its a federal offense so something most police probably don't deal with often.
And its a serious crime they don't fuck around with.
They do chase people down for it. It is one of those like 25 years in ass rape prison things.
Look man they don't call the post master a general for nothing.
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I'm willing to bet that if she's a champion high school wrestler she's not all that worried about some dude grabbing her tits in a match. I don't see sexual assault charges being a huge possibility in her case.
The girl is probably okay with it.
But the guy isn't, and his uncomfortableness should be valued just as much as a lady's
I have to disagree.
Which part do you disagree on?
I think a lot of his uncomfortableness is based on an unhealthy social model.
I'm willing to bet that if she's a champion high school wrestler she's not all that worried about some dude grabbing her tits in a match. I don't see sexual assault charges being a huge possibility in her case.
The girl is probably okay with it.
But the guy isn't, and his uncomfortableness should be valued just as much as a lady's
I have to disagree.
Which part do you disagree on?
I think a lot of his uncomfortableness is based on an unhealthy social model.
Yes. But that doesn't mean he should be forced to do something that makes him uncomfortable anyway. That is what is meant by valuing his uncomfortableness.
The /mensrights section is really depressing, because of both the stories posted there and the responses to them.
Oh, god.
Yeah, it's a strange juxtaposition.
*Article about sexism towards men*
Man that is fucked up.
*Comments full of ignorance and (I hate using this term but it applies here) male privilege*
Welp.
Yep, that pretty much sums up the men's rights movement.
Which seems rather strange, I mean.....except for very specific areas such as paternal rights, divorce proceedings, and being alone around young children, they have like....all the rights?
Criminal trials, specifically statutory rape, but pick just about any crime men serve longer sentences.
And a lot of it is more societal than legal. Being alone around young children was a given example, as well as domestic violence against men being more tolerated, the list goes on.
And these are all things that should be looked at. The idea is that there are negative stereotypes that men face as well.
The problem is that it quickly turns into a rabid "FUCK FEMINISM BITCHES BE LYING CUNTS" among some people. In this case, specifically groups of people that classify themselves as "men's rights" groups.
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KageraImitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered Userregular
Actually Steve there is a number for the post service investigation folks who work on tampered mail. Its a federal offense so something most police probably don't deal with often.
And its a serious crime they don't fuck around with.
They do chase people down for it. It is one of those like 25 years in ass rape prison things.
Look man they don't call the post master a general for nothing.
I was bad and picked up MvC3 last night (but didn't play much because goddamn I was tired). Deadpool and Zero are pretty fun, need to find a 3rd for my team now...
I'm willing to bet that if she's a champion high school wrestler she's not all that worried about some dude grabbing her tits in a match. I don't see sexual assault charges being a huge possibility in her case.
The girl is probably okay with it.
But the guy isn't, and his uncomfortableness should be valued just as much as a lady's
I have to disagree.
Which part do you disagree on?
I think a lot of his uncomfortableness is based on an unhealthy social model.
Yes. But that doesn't mean he should be forced to do something that makes him uncomfortable anyway. That is what is meant by valuing his uncomfortableness.
I'm not going to respect him for it. The reason he's uncomfortable is his own problem, and he should learn to deal with it. That's my problem with his little pantomime.
And a lot of it is more societal than legal. Being alone around young children was a given example, as well as domestic violence against men being more tolerated, the list goes on.
And these are all things that should be looked at. The idea is that there are negative stereotypes that men face as well.
The problem is that it quickly turns into a rabid "FUCK FEMINISM BITCHES BE LYING CUNTS" among some people. In this case, specifically groups of people that classify themselves as "men's rights" groups.
Yes but the issue is that people hand wave over the discrepency in sentencing, by going "Man mens rights groups are crazy." And that makes it ok that dudes serve more time for the same offense? ok...
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I'm willing to bet that if she's a champion high school wrestler she's not all that worried about some dude grabbing her tits in a match. I don't see sexual assault charges being a huge possibility in her case.
The girl is probably okay with it.
But the guy isn't, and his uncomfortableness should be valued just as much as a lady's
I have to disagree.
Which part do you disagree on?
I think a lot of his uncomfortableness is based on an unhealthy social model.
Yes. But that doesn't mean he should be forced to do something that makes him uncomfortable anyway. That is what is meant by valuing his uncomfortableness.
I'm not going to respect him for it. The reason he's uncomfortable is his own problem, and he should learn to deal with it. That's my problem with his little pantomime.
And a lot of it is more societal than legal. Being alone around young children was a given example, as well as domestic violence against men being more tolerated, the list goes on.
And these are all things that should be looked at. The idea is that there are negative stereotypes that men face as well.
The problem is that it quickly turns into a rabid "FUCK FEMINISM BITCHES BE LYING CUNTS" among some people. In this case, specifically groups of people that classify themselves as "men's rights" groups.
Yes but the issue is that people hand wave over the discrepency in sentencing, by going "Man mens rights groups are crazy." And that makes it ok that dudes serve more time for the same offense? ok...
People don't handwave over it.
The issue is that it's just another manifestation of patriarchal values.
I'm willing to bet that if she's a champion high school wrestler she's not all that worried about some dude grabbing her tits in a match. I don't see sexual assault charges being a huge possibility in her case.
The girl is probably okay with it.
But the guy isn't, and his uncomfortableness should be valued just as much as a lady's
I have to disagree.
Which part do you disagree on?
I think a lot of his uncomfortableness is based on an unhealthy social model.
Yes. But that doesn't mean he should be forced to do something that makes him uncomfortable anyway. That is what is meant by valuing his uncomfortableness.
I'm not going to respect him for it. The reason he's uncomfortable is his own problem, and he should learn to deal with it. That's my problem with his little pantomime.
i'd be sympathetic to a female cheerleader who didn't want to be handled by a male cheerleader for whatever reason.
And a lot of it is more societal than legal. Being alone around young children was a given example, as well as domestic violence against men being more tolerated, the list goes on.
And these are all things that should be looked at. The idea is that there are negative stereotypes that men face as well.
The problem is that it quickly turns into a rabid "FUCK FEMINISM BITCHES BE LYING CUNTS" among some people. In this case, specifically groups of people that classify themselves as "men's rights" groups.
Yes but the issue is that people hand wave over the discrepency in sentencing, by going "Man mens rights groups are crazy." And that makes it ok that dudes serve more time for the same offense? ok...
Yeah I'm not saying that's okay. I'm saying after spending a little bit of time reading some stuff in a men's rights group, I can see why it has trouble getting any ground.
It is fucked up and something that should be looked at. I was just saying there was a back and forth of emotions, where I would see some fucked up examples of sexism towards men, followed by a bunch of sexism flung the other way in response.
That's all I was talking about, is that weird counter-productive environment. You see it in more extreme feminism as well. It's not unique, it's just something I hadn't encountered in such a concentrated dosage before.
I'm willing to bet that if she's a champion high school wrestler she's not all that worried about some dude grabbing her tits in a match. I don't see sexual assault charges being a huge possibility in her case.
The girl is probably okay with it.
But the guy isn't, and his uncomfortableness should be valued just as much as a lady's
I have to disagree.
Which part do you disagree on?
I think a lot of his uncomfortableness is based on an unhealthy social model.
Yes. But that doesn't mean he should be forced to do something that makes him uncomfortable anyway. That is what is meant by valuing his uncomfortableness.
I'm not going to respect him for it. The reason he's uncomfortable is his own problem, and he should learn to deal with it. That's my problem with his little pantomime.
There are days when you sound just like the right-wing bigots you rail against.
Yes. But that doesn't mean he should be forced to do something that makes him uncomfortable anyway. That is what is meant by valuing his uncomfortableness.
I'm not going to respect him for it. The reason he's uncomfortable is his own problem, and he should learn to deal with it. That's my problem with his little pantomime.
oh man wtf
He's trying to weasel out of the fact that he feels like he shouldn't have to compete against a girl. Never mind that she met the exact same fucking standard to get there as he did.
The /mensrights section is really depressing, because of both the stories posted there and the responses to them.
Oh, god.
Yeah, it's a strange juxtaposition.
*Article about sexism towards men*
Man that is fucked up.
*Comments full of ignorance and (I hate using this term but it applies here) male privilege*
Welp.
Yep, that pretty much sums up the men's rights movement.
Which seems rather strange, I mean.....except for very specific areas such as paternal rights, divorce proceedings, and being alone around young children, they have like....all the rights?
Well, there are ways in which men get shafted, like the lack of resources for male victims of abuse.
There are also ways in which men and women both get the short shrift, like difficulty getting parental leave.
And then there are ways in which men sometimes get fucked over but there's no good way to fix them without fucking women over a hell of a lot more, like the lack of options for men if a woman decides she wants to have a baby that the man doesn't want.
And then there are ways in which men perceive women as having power that they don't, like when Nice Guys(tm) look at their personal disempowerment and generalize it to all women and say things like "women have all the power in sexual relationships."
And then there are aspects of female empowerment that some men get frightened by, like how women in positions of power are more likely to be perceived as being aggressive even when they act exactly the same way as a man.
What happens in almost every 'men's rights' discussion almost anywhere on the Internet (at least in my experience) is that somebody will start talking about the first thing and then somebody else will start to talk about the second thing from a uniquely male perspective and then somebody comes in on one of the other things and then it just sort of all goes to shit and it becomes obvious that some men won't be satisfied until every woman everywhere has been completely stripped of any ability to be threatening in any way whatsoever.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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And a lot of it is more societal than legal. Being alone around young children was a given example, as well as domestic violence against men being more tolerated, the list goes on.
And these are all things that should be looked at. The idea is that there are negative stereotypes that men face as well.
The problem is that it quickly turns into a rabid "FUCK FEMINISM BITCHES BE LYING CUNTS" among some people. In this case, specifically groups of people that classify themselves as "men's rights" groups.
Yes but the issue is that people hand wave over the discrepency in sentencing, by going "Man mens rights groups are crazy." And that makes it ok that dudes serve more time for the same offense? ok...
As someone who the men's rights groups in theory speak in favor of, I assure you that the vast majority of them are crazy. I do my best to try to move DV away from being a gender issue because of them. If they had any fucking interest in actually helping, I'd tolerate them. But being used as a weapon in some war with feminists gets fucking old.
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Criminal trials, specifically statutory rape, but pick just about any crime men serve longer sentences.
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Exception: Muhammed Ali vs. George Foreman.
so one day some big guy wants to start some shit. "Show me some karate," he says. So my friend takes a step back, gets into a fighting stance, takes measure of the guy by looking him up and down. "What are you gonna do?" "Just sit there for a minute..." The guy starts getting a bit nervous. "What are you doing?" "Hang on a sec!" Then the guy loses his nerve and is like "Forget it"
my friend doesn't know anything about martial arts at all.
And its a serious crime they don't fuck around with.
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Two professional boxers in the same weight class.
220 pounds to ali's 216 and a half.
Not very one sided size difference.
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they need to release a lot of things on DvD.
I think a lot of his uncomfortableness is based on an unhealthy social model.
well, i totally disagree that you're necessarily going down just because there are more of them
but the chances of you losing dramatically increase with a direct correlation re: their size
They do chase people down for it. It is one of those like 25 years in ass rape prison things.
Um, those two were pretty equal in size.
Huh
I thought Foreman was taller than wikipedia said he is.
Oh wells.
Look man they don't call the post master a general for nothing.
pleasepaypreacher.net
Mega Man rap...it's actually pretty good.
Do go on.
Yes. But that doesn't mean he should be forced to do something that makes him uncomfortable anyway. That is what is meant by valuing his uncomfortableness.
And a lot of it is more societal than legal. Being alone around young children was a given example, as well as domestic violence against men being more tolerated, the list goes on.
And these are all things that should be looked at. The idea is that there are negative stereotypes that men face as well.
The problem is that it quickly turns into a rabid "FUCK FEMINISM BITCHES BE LYING CUNTS" among some people. In this case, specifically groups of people that classify themselves as "men's rights" groups.
I was bad and picked up MvC3 last night (but didn't play much because goddamn I was tired). Deadpool and Zero are pretty fun, need to find a 3rd for my team now...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ0mUSsYG8Q
Horrible, but honestly this group should have been called the 5 heads, because god damn thats some forehead.
pleasepaypreacher.net
I'm not going to respect him for it. The reason he's uncomfortable is his own problem, and he should learn to deal with it. That's my problem with his little pantomime.
Yes but the issue is that people hand wave over the discrepency in sentencing, by going "Man mens rights groups are crazy." And that makes it ok that dudes serve more time for the same offense? ok...
pleasepaypreacher.net
I should remember that
oh man wtf
People don't handwave over it.
The issue is that it's just another manifestation of patriarchal values.
i'd be sympathetic to a female cheerleader who didn't want to be handled by a male cheerleader for whatever reason.
Yeah I'm not saying that's okay. I'm saying after spending a little bit of time reading some stuff in a men's rights group, I can see why it has trouble getting any ground.
It is fucked up and something that should be looked at. I was just saying there was a back and forth of emotions, where I would see some fucked up examples of sexism towards men, followed by a bunch of sexism flung the other way in response.
That's all I was talking about, is that weird counter-productive environment. You see it in more extreme feminism as well. It's not unique, it's just something I hadn't encountered in such a concentrated dosage before.
There are days when you sound just like the right-wing bigots you rail against.
Tell him to get sand out of his vagina as well.
Yeah he even respected their accomplishments, what a bastard lets string him up!
pleasepaypreacher.net
gonna use that one next time those nazis nag me about keeping my hands to myself on the subway
whatever that makes me, fine
He's trying to weasel out of the fact that he feels like he shouldn't have to compete against a girl. Never mind that she met the exact same fucking standard to get there as he did.
Man up you pussy!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Well, there are ways in which men get shafted, like the lack of resources for male victims of abuse.
There are also ways in which men and women both get the short shrift, like difficulty getting parental leave.
And then there are ways in which men sometimes get fucked over but there's no good way to fix them without fucking women over a hell of a lot more, like the lack of options for men if a woman decides she wants to have a baby that the man doesn't want.
And then there are ways in which men perceive women as having power that they don't, like when Nice Guys(tm) look at their personal disempowerment and generalize it to all women and say things like "women have all the power in sexual relationships."
And then there are aspects of female empowerment that some men get frightened by, like how women in positions of power are more likely to be perceived as being aggressive even when they act exactly the same way as a man.
What happens in almost every 'men's rights' discussion almost anywhere on the Internet (at least in my experience) is that somebody will start talking about the first thing and then somebody else will start to talk about the second thing from a uniquely male perspective and then somebody comes in on one of the other things and then it just sort of all goes to shit and it becomes obvious that some men won't be satisfied until every woman everywhere has been completely stripped of any ability to be threatening in any way whatsoever.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
As someone who the men's rights groups in theory speak in favor of, I assure you that the vast majority of them are crazy. I do my best to try to move DV away from being a gender issue because of them. If they had any fucking interest in actually helping, I'd tolerate them. But being used as a weapon in some war with feminists gets fucking old.