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Cry Havok and let loose the dogs of the [Military Thread]
JokermanLord Paramount of the NeckbeardsRegistered Userregular
MILITARY THREAD So you wanna be all you can be?
or get yelled at like this guy,
or feel the need for speed?
or go toe to toe with the Ruskies
or even look like this guy,
You're in the right place.
Inquires into foriegn branches are welcome as well.
NOTICE
Depression\Suicide\Deployment Stress counseling is available confidentialy by PMing either me (Jokerman) or Rent.
We all understand, and want to help. So if you're having thoughts of hurting yourself or others, please
don't be afraid to ask for help.
A QUICK WORD ABOUT THE RULES
Spoiler:
Only two main rules as everyone in here is pretty classy;
1. Keep it civil, Keep Rivalries to a minimum.
2. Be careful not to violate OPSEC or any other SEC for that matter.
and of course, as a sidenote, be sure to inform me of anything that should be added to the OP.
BRANCHES
Note: Under each branch I've listed a few member who have voluntered to answer personal questions though PM's. Any of these people will be more then happy to help you, but by all means don't be afraid to post your question in the thread. It's participation that keeps it alive.
ARMY
Spoiler:
The United States Army is the branch of the United States armed forces responsible for land-based military operations. It is the largest and oldest established branch of the U.S. military, and is one of seven uniformed services.
The primary mission of the Army is to "provide necessary forces and capabilities ... in support of the National Security and Defense Strategies". The Regular Army reported a strength of 539,675 soldiers; the Army National Guard (ARNG) reported 360,351 and the United States Army Reserve (USAR) reported 197,024 putting the combined component strength total 1,097,050 soldiers (2008 Financial Year).[3]
@Laemkral (CPT, Transportation) @Sky (E-5, Journalism School, Airborne School) @Rent (E-4, Artillery (Depression\Suicide\Deployment Stress counseling via PM)) @Jean Claude Van Calm (NCO, Infantry-Training) @Taranis (E-4, Infantry) @Feels Good Man (E-4, Medic) @Jokerman (E-1, Artillery(Depression\Suicide counseling via PM) @Waffen (O-1, Armor Officer\ROTC)
MARINE CORP.
(U.S.M.C.)
Spoiler:
The United States Marine Corps (USMC) is a branch of the United States armed forces responsible for providing force projection from the sea, using the mobility of the United States Navy to rapidly deliver combined-arms task forces. It is one of seven uniformed services of the United States. In the civilian leadership structure of the United States military, the Marine Corps is a component of the Department of the Navy, often working closely with U.S. naval forces for training, transportation and logistic purposes; however, in the military leadership structure the Marine Corps is a separate branch. The U.S.M.C. includes just over 203,000 active duty Marines and just under 40,000 reserve Marines. It is the smallest of the United States' armed forces in the Department of Defense. The Marine Corps is nonetheless larger than the entire armed forces of many significant military powers; for example, it is larger than the active duty Israel Defense Forces or the whole of the British Army.
The United States Navy (USN) is the sea branch of the U.S. Armed Forces. It is one of the seven uniformed services of the United States. As of 31 December 2008, the U.S. Navy had about 331,682 personnel on active duty and 124,000 in the Navy Reserve. It operates 284 ships in active service and more than 3,700 aircraft. The U.S. Navy is the largest in the world; its battle fleet tonnage is greater than that of the next 13 largest navies combined. The U.S. Navy also has the world's largest carrier fleet, with 11 in service and one under construction. The 21st century United States Navy maintains a sizable global presence, deploying in such areas as East Asia, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East. It is a blue water navy with the ability to project force onto the littoral regions of the world, engage in forward areas during peacetime, and rapidly respond to regional crises, making it an active player in American foreign and defense policy.
@Limp Moose (Officer, Pilot (deploys frequently)) @Quid (Enlisted, Linguist)
AIRFORCE
Spoiler:
The United States Air Force (USAF) is the aerial warfare, space warfare, and cyberwarfare branch of the U.S. armed forces and one of the American uniformed services. Initially part of the United States Army, the USAF was formed as a separate branch of the military on 18 September 1947 under the National Security Act of 1947. It is the most recent branch of the U.S. military to be formed. In its 2009 Posture Statement the USAF articulates its primary goals as "Global Vigilance, Global Reach, and Global Power".
As of 2009 the USAF operates 5,573 manned aircraft in service (3,990 USAF; 1,213 Air National Guard; and 370 Air Force Reserve); approximately 180 unmanned combat air vehicles, 2,130 air-launched cruise missiles, and 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles. The USAF has 327,452 personnel on active duty, 115,299 in the Selected and Individual Ready Reserves, and 106,700 in the Air National Guard as of September 2008. In addition, the USAF employs 171,313 civilian personnel, and has 57,000 auxiliary members in the Civil Air Patrol.
The United States Coast Guard (USCG) is a branch of the United States Armed Forces and one of seven uniformed services. The Coast Guard is a maritime, military, multi-mission service unique among the military branches for having a maritime law enforcement mission (with jurisdiction both domestically and in international waters) and a federal regulatory agency mission as part of its mission set. It operates under the Department of Homeland Security during peacetime, and can be transferred to the Department of the Navy by the President or Congress during time of war.
You can put me up on the Army one if you want.
NCO, Artillery/DSgt/IRR (In limbo while I change units)
I need to buy my blues several weddings this year. Couple of questions since I only have Class A's that are almost 11 years old:
1) What the hell is the service braid? Do only officers need to get that?
2) Personal opinion: Medals or Ribbons for the wedding? Right now, I'm leaning more towards medals since it looks classy.
3) Beret or Service Cap?
4) Since I've never had to wear the medals themselves, what do you do for awards that don't have medals? Do you just not wear those?
I think that's about it for now.
"I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity." Dwight D. Eisenhower Google+ Profile Origin: 13Evigilant Steam: Evigilant
You can put me up on the Army one if you want.
NCO, Artillery/DSgt/IRR (In limbo while I change units)
I need to buy my blues several weddings this year. Couple of questions since I only have Class A's that are almost 11 years old:
1) What the hell is the service braid? Do only officers need to get that?
2) Personal opinion: Medals or Ribbons for the wedding? Right now, I'm leaning more towards medals since it looks classy.
3) Beret or Service Cap?
4) Since I've never had to wear the medals themselves, what do you do for awards that don't have medals? Do you just not wear those?
I think that's about it for now.
Dunno how much the Navy differs from you guys, but usually at a formal dinner/function medals are the way to go. And for our awards that don't have medals, you wear the ribbons on the opposite side. Keep in mind, when you swap the ribbons you need to reverse them, so that the higher ones are still closest to your heart, etc.
Again, that's how it goes in the Navy. Might need to dig up your uniform regs for the right answer.
TaranisMust be the feeling, it brings to youThat makes you do what you doRegistered Userregular
Can anyone tell me whether or not it's true that if you've served in the military, and you get in a fight, that you're legally obligated to inform someone that you've "been trained to kill"? I'd always heard this when I was in, but I was never sure if it was more than just a rumor. If I ever got in a fight I would probably say this just to be safe, but I'm worried that it could be perceived as a death threat. I obviously don't plan on getting in any fights, and I would avoid one if possible, but it's something that I frequently worry about.
that sounds absolutely retarded and I very much doubt it
like the dumb thing where cops have to inform you that they're a cop even if they're undercover
"I am combatives level 2 qualified, so you know. And, don't worry -- since I have medical training from the army, I'll be sure to patch you up (as I am also morally and legally obligated to do so) after I totally kick your fucking ass, bro."
Can anyone tell me whether or not it's true that if you've served in the military, and you get in a fight, that you're legally obligated to inform someone that you've "been trained to kill"? I'd always heard this when I was in, but I was never sure if it was more than just a rumor. If I ever got in a fight I would probably say this just to be safe, but I'm worried that it could be perceived as a death threat. I obviously don't plan on getting in any fights, and I would avoid one if possible, but it's something that I frequently worry about.
If anything, that would be something for spec ops guys. The informing someone that "you've been trained to kill" is silly. I think it's just supposed to be understood that if you get into a fight with someone and you have a high level of combat training, you will be judged quite harshly.
edit: for OP purposes, Navy/E5/Submarines (external comms/radioman)
Don't get me wrong at all, I love the shit out of a C-17. Best planes to load, balance, and transport any and everything you need to get anywhere you need to get it. By far my favorite cargo plane. They even have power outlets in the walls near certain seats (that I always seem to end up in).
Don't get me wrong at all, I love the shit out of a C-17. Best planes to load, balance, and transport any and everything you need to get anywhere you need to get it. By far my favorite cargo plane. They even have power outlets in the walls near certain seats (that I always seem to end up in).
Don't get me wrong at all, I love the shit out of a C-17. Best planes to load, balance, and transport any and everything you need to get anywhere you need to get it. By far my favorite cargo plane. They even have power outlets in the walls near certain seats (that I always seem to end up in).
I'm not being serious. It is sort of funny.
But that's not a C-17! That's a C-130.
You can run, but you'll only die tired.
Etc.
My bad. That looks exactly like the picture of the C-17 that gets plastered all over everything. I saw the flares and didn't check any closer. C-130s are terrible.
I found out that I will be stationed at Hanscom AFB in Boston.
First choice on my dreamsheet = victory.
Niiice so you're going to be a 62E?
Also, Hanscom is like 30 minutes from my parents house.
Nope, still 63A - Acquisitions. I'll probably be doing the work of a 62E though. They're so closely related that I was told that the difference really doesn't matter. I have my engineering degree so it's all good.
I went to visit the base last October and talked to a 1Lt about our AFSC. Good thing I did, because I made some connections there which I get to continue. I believe one of the FGOs went to the same university as me. Unfortunately, most of my summer will be training in Alabama and Ohio.
I made a post in the last thread asking where to live if I got stationed at Hanscom AFB. Recommended was Davis Square, but I am now asking that question again (it didn't seem like there were many apartments around there, just houses).
I found out that I will be stationed at Hanscom AFB in Boston.
First choice on my dreamsheet = victory.
Niiice so you're going to be a 62E?
Also, Hanscom is like 30 minutes from my parents house.
Nope, still 63A - Acquisitions. I'll probably be doing the work of a 62E though. They're so closely related that I was told that the difference really doesn't matter. I have my engineering degree so it's all good.
I went to visit the base last October and talked to a 1Lt about our AFSC. Good thing I did, because I made some connections there which I get to continue. I believe one of the FGOs went to the same university as me. Unfortunately, most of my summer will be training in Alabama and Ohio.
I made a post in the last thread asking where to live if I got stationed at Hanscom AFB. Recommended was Davis Square, but I am now asking that question again (it didn't seem like there were many apartments around there, just houses).
We can talk more when you've got time, but Hanscom is in a pretty expensive area. Don't let anyone fool you, you're not working "in" Boston. More like "near".
Also, you'll have fun at ASBC and your tech school in Ohio. For acquisitions I think it is 4 weeks though I could be wrong. And ASBC is 6 or so now I think. Neither is anything like OTS really.
Posting mainly for the dot, but somebody might care: my packet is away to Recruiting Command, so barring any more outdated forms I'm all set. Now to wait fro June and look for backup jobs.
Can anyone tell me whether or not it's true that if you've served in the military, and you get in a fight, that you're legally obligated to inform someone that you've "been trained to kill"? I'd always heard this when I was in, but I was never sure if it was more than just a rumor. If I ever got in a fight I would probably say this just to be safe, but I'm worried that it could be perceived as a death threat. I obviously don't plan on getting in any fights, and I would avoid one if possible, but it's something that I frequently worry about.
I'm not in the military, but I'm not aware of any laws that treat members of the military differently from civilians when it comes to things like assault.
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Rigorous Scholarship
The only thing that's different for military members, from what I know, is that you get in twice as much trouble. Once from civilian authorities, and then again from your chain of command/UCMJ actions.
I believe it goes to UCMJ as that is federal law, which always trumps state and local law. So if it's legal in your state and banned by UCMJ, you still can't do it. This is why service members get turned over to the MPs when they are arrested, so proper jurisdiction can take over.
But otherwise, I have never been told I have to warn folks before a fight.
The one exception to the above is for anyone abroad. SOFA agreements generally give total jurisdiction to the host nation and so you can actually get punished twice. Once by local law, again by American law. I've seen it happen with all the DUIs we've had.
Being an XO has given me incredible insight into the workings of UCMJ because my Company has a lot of issues. A LOT.
You can list me in the AF as a SSgt, Air Transportation.
I'm sorry, I didn't want to put a picture of someone doing paper work behind a desk.
Also, the real travesty is apparently the picture i have for the navy is some guy in a halloween costume.
I just thought it was funny. Do you want to be this guy? ...or this guy? ...or fly this? At least put a picture of an Airman in there.
Once again, doing what? sitting behind a desk filling out paperwork? I'm trying to show the exciting side of the military that only exist in things recruiters tell highschoolers.
You can list me in the AF as a SSgt, Air Transportation.
I'm sorry, I didn't want to put a picture of someone doing paper work behind a desk.
Also, the real travesty is apparently the picture i have for the navy is some guy in a halloween costume.
I just thought it was funny. Do you want to be this guy? ...or this guy? ...or fly this? At least put a picture of an Airman in there.
Once again, doing what? sitting behind a desk filling out paperwork? I'm trying to show the exciting side of the military that only exist in things recruiters tell highschoolers.
Can't you show a picture of the guy in the cockpit?
Transferring to Japan in about three days. On my way to a cruiser! Any advice?
I'm CT.
Aaaand it just got hit by a tidal wave. Son of a bitch.
Cowpens or shiloh?
Hopefully for you it is the Shiloh. When you get here pay attention in AOBICR (orientation.) Don't fuck with the locals and be prepared to be underway A LOT. Yokosuka is not a bad area you will have a good time. Make sure you get out and see the rest of japan though. There is way cooler stuff in tokyo/yokohama then yokosuka
You can list me in the AF as a SSgt, Air Transportation.
I'm sorry, I didn't want to put a picture of someone doing paper work behind a desk.
Also, the real travesty is apparently the picture i have for the navy is some guy in a halloween costume.
I just thought it was funny. Do you want to be this guy? ...or this guy? ...or fly this? At least put a picture of an Airman in there.
Once again, doing what? sitting behind a desk filling out paperwork? I'm trying to show the exciting side of the military that only exist in things recruiters tell highschoolers.
Oh wait, I get it! You're making some kind of joke about how the AF is full of desk workers. That's cute.
I believe it goes to UCMJ as that is federal law, which always trumps state and local law. So if it's legal in your state and banned by UCMJ, you still can't do it. This is why service members get turned over to the MPs when they are arrested, so proper jurisdiction can take over.
But otherwise, I have never been told I have to warn folks before a fight.
The one exception to the above is for anyone abroad. SOFA agreements generally give total jurisdiction to the host nation and so you can actually get punished twice. Once by local law, again by American law. I've seen it happen with all the DUIs we've had.
Being an XO has given me incredible insight into the workings of UCMJ because my Company has a lot of issues. A LOT.
My unit had to stop doing article 15's for DUI's if they were off post since it apparently falls under double jeopardy. UCMJ only trumps state and local laws when on a military installation, off base or off post you're under state and local laws. In fact I am pretty sure state and local laws don't apply at all on post. I am stationed at Ft. Stewart in Georgia. Local laws prohibit selling alcohol on sundays, but you can go on post and buy it there. Also most states prohibit selling alcohol past a certain time, on post it is only limited by whatever the post commander decides (which on Stewart seems to be 24/7). Another example would be the age of consent, in Georgia it is 16, but in the Army it is 18.
By American law do you mean UCMJ? Or federal law?
You don't have to warn anyone before a fight (though you should be avoiding fights anyways), that is some dumb shit from Con Air.
Lord Paramount of the NeckbeardsRegistered User regular
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NCO, Artillery/DSgt/IRR (In limbo while I change units)
I need to buy my blues several weddings this year. Couple of questions since I only have Class A's that are almost 11 years old:
1) What the hell is the service braid? Do only officers need to get that?
2) Personal opinion: Medals or Ribbons for the wedding? Right now, I'm leaning more towards medals since it looks classy.
3) Beret or Service Cap?
4) Since I've never had to wear the medals themselves, what do you do for awards that don't have medals? Do you just not wear those?
I think that's about it for now.
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You can list me in the AF as a SSgt, Air Transportation.
XBL: Mega Spooky // 3DS: 3797-6276-7138
I'm sorry, I didn't want to put a picture of someone doing paper work behind a desk.
Also, the real travesty is apparently the picture i have for the navy is some guy in a halloween costume.
First choice on my dreamsheet = victory.
Let 'em eat fucking pineapples!
They don't? That's weird, because everyone in the Navy drives boats.
The OP shouldreally list the Chairforce last, IMO. :lol:
Dunno how much the Navy differs from you guys, but usually at a formal dinner/function medals are the way to go. And for our awards that don't have medals, you wear the ribbons on the opposite side. Keep in mind, when you swap the ribbons you need to reverse them, so that the higher ones are still closest to your heart, etc.
Again, that's how it goes in the Navy. Might need to dig up your uniform regs for the right answer.
like the dumb thing where cops have to inform you that they're a cop even if they're undercover
"I am combatives level 2 qualified, so you know. And, don't worry -- since I have medical training from the army, I'll be sure to patch you up (as I am also morally and legally obligated to do so) after I totally kick your fucking ass, bro."
Army/E4/Intelligence
Evigilant: I don't know about the rest, but I'm of the opinion that a well molded beret is the height of class.
If anything, that would be something for spec ops guys. The informing someone that "you've been trained to kill" is silly. I think it's just supposed to be understood that if you get into a fight with someone and you have a high level of combat training, you will be judged quite harshly.
edit: for OP purposes, Navy/E5/Submarines (external comms/radioman)
I just thought it was funny. Do you want to be this guy? ...or this guy? ...or fly this? At least put a picture of an Airman in there.
XBL: Mega Spooky // 3DS: 3797-6276-7138
Don't be hatin' on my dad's plane.
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I'm not being serious. It is sort of funny.
But that's not a C-17! That's a C-130.
You can run, but you'll only die tired.
Etc.
Niiice so you're going to be a 62E?
Also, Hanscom is like 30 minutes from my parents house.
My bad. That looks exactly like the picture of the C-17 that gets plastered all over everything. I saw the flares and didn't check any closer. C-130s are terrible.
XBL: Mega Spooky // 3DS: 3797-6276-7138
Nope, still 63A - Acquisitions. I'll probably be doing the work of a 62E though. They're so closely related that I was told that the difference really doesn't matter. I have my engineering degree so it's all good.
I went to visit the base last October and talked to a 1Lt about our AFSC. Good thing I did, because I made some connections there which I get to continue. I believe one of the FGOs went to the same university as me. Unfortunately, most of my summer will be training in Alabama and Ohio.
I made a post in the last thread asking where to live if I got stationed at Hanscom AFB. Recommended was Davis Square, but I am now asking that question again (it didn't seem like there were many apartments around there, just houses).
Let 'em eat fucking pineapples!
We can talk more when you've got time, but Hanscom is in a pretty expensive area. Don't let anyone fool you, you're not working "in" Boston. More like "near".
Also, you'll have fun at ASBC and your tech school in Ohio. For acquisitions I think it is 4 weeks though I could be wrong. And ASBC is 6 or so now I think. Neither is anything like OTS really.
Some good places to start house hunting are www.ahrn.com (need a .mil address to begin I think) as well as www.militarybyowner.com
Rigorous Scholarship
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Rigorous Scholarship
I'm CT.
Aaaand it just got hit by a tidal wave. Son of a bitch.
Aren't you a lawyer too, Modern Man? Go look up the UCMJ!
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I believe the answer is "both" but I have no citations to back that up.
But otherwise, I have never been told I have to warn folks before a fight.
The one exception to the above is for anyone abroad. SOFA agreements generally give total jurisdiction to the host nation and so you can actually get punished twice. Once by local law, again by American law. I've seen it happen with all the DUIs we've had.
Being an XO has given me incredible insight into the workings of UCMJ because my Company has a lot of issues. A LOT.
Once again, doing what? sitting behind a desk filling out paperwork? I'm trying to show the exciting side of the military that only exist in things recruiters tell highschoolers.
Can't you show a picture of the guy in the cockpit?
Cowpens or shiloh?
Hopefully for you it is the Shiloh. When you get here pay attention in AOBICR (orientation.) Don't fuck with the locals and be prepared to be underway A LOT. Yokosuka is not a bad area you will have a good time. Make sure you get out and see the rest of japan though. There is way cooler stuff in tokyo/yokohama then yokosuka
Oh wait, I get it! You're making some kind of joke about how the AF is full of desk workers. That's cute.
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In a word, yes they're fine. But no, they can't call you. They're busy helping people most likely.
My unit had to stop doing article 15's for DUI's if they were off post since it apparently falls under double jeopardy. UCMJ only trumps state and local laws when on a military installation, off base or off post you're under state and local laws. In fact I am pretty sure state and local laws don't apply at all on post. I am stationed at Ft. Stewart in Georgia. Local laws prohibit selling alcohol on sundays, but you can go on post and buy it there. Also most states prohibit selling alcohol past a certain time, on post it is only limited by whatever the post commander decides (which on Stewart seems to be 24/7). Another example would be the age of consent, in Georgia it is 16, but in the Army it is 18.
By American law do you mean UCMJ? Or federal law?
You don't have to warn anyone before a fight (though you should be avoiding fights anyways), that is some dumb shit from Con Air.