The new gameplay videos released is incredible. I love how the 2D stages uses a remix of Green Hill Zone's music that sounds like the genesis, and the 3D stages uses a hard rock remix from crush 40 that sounds like the 3D games.
This pleases me.
I wish you'd just link stuff instead of playing coy and hinting around. :?
Earlier today, we published a story that stemmed from an alleged NeoGAF discovery of an array of Sonic 20th anniversary related promotion initiatives and merchandise concepts. It included, among other things, an interactive poster, multiple instances of apparel, and sketches for an Eggmobile model using the name “Dr. Robotnik,” Eggman’s original Westernized name.
Since the discovery, there have been some remarks made around the Internet that the elements looked more like college projects than serious Sega initiatives. As we learned this morning, it turns out that’s because they are college projects.
This one is a bit tough to explain…so we’ll let iNAUDiBLE, who corrected us on the original story, do it instead:
Both NeoGAF and this site are wrong about the origins of these concept pieces. Most of these were created by college design students for a contest prompt given by SEGA (other companies gave out prompts for the contest as well, including 20th Century Fox and Boost) for the YCN Student Awards. None of these students were commissioned for anything and they give no indication of whether or not these ideas will actually be used for Sonic’s 20th Anniversary. I’d think that SEGA would’ve had their own marketing ideas lined up farther in advance rather than commission college students halfway towards June for concepts. (And indeed, they have!) Maybe we’ll see them in the future, maybe we won’t, but I would think they would give SOME indication on the site that “hey, we reserve all rights to use this” or whatever if they were intended to be used. The only thing these students might be getting for this is bragging rights and some shiny trophy or what have you.
It’s worth noting that they list “no formal mandatories”, so any concerns that SEGA is “serious about calling Eggman Robotnik” based on student concept art is utter balls. They list NOTHING of the sort, no restrictions on ideas.
That is more than enough information to consider our previous story flawed on the basis of a factual error. For that reason, the original story has been retracted. We regret the error.
This is why I don't link tssz. Those aren't the concept art pics I'm talking about.
This seems odd - they already have classic Sonic gameplay back in the Sonic 4 game. Any chance this project cancels Episode 2?
Looks nice though - I'd love it if they reverted back to the Robotnik name.
This seems a lot truer to the classic Sonic gameplay in the classic sections. Just watching the video Sporky posted, there's a couple of bits where you can see Sonic landing after a jump and taking a couple of steps to stop moving. The real problem in Sonic 4 was the way that when you stopped pressing a direction in the air, he just fell like a rock. It didn't feel good to control at all. Here, it seems like they've gone back to the old style of him taking a while to slow down after a jump.
The 3D sections looked better there, but I hope they play more like the Colours 3D sections than the Unleashed ones, with them being broken up into the distinct drift and side-step sections. Personally, I felt much more in control in Colours, in Unleashed I sometimes felt like everything was happening slightly too fast to be comfortable with, but that might just be personal taste.
That video makes it look really promising though, especially part of the classic sonic where the camera swerves to give us different angles, so it's not a 1:1 remake of Green Hill Zone.
And once again I reiterate what I said earlier. It's inane.
Pretty sure those are the concept pics you were talking about.
No, they're not. What I've seen is the model specs. You know, size relation to Sonic, colors to use, etc.
They're listed, in katakana, with ドクター・ロボトニック.
Either post them or quit teasing us about them.
I think if there is anyone in the world I would believe about Sonic information it would be TSR. He said stuff about this project like a year ago.
If he says they called him that on a concept art then I believe him. Hell he could say Sonic's last name is Sonic and everyone at Sega calls him Sonic Sonic and I would believe it.
I think more than anything else, Im excited for the classic Sonic levels of the "Dreamcast era". Some of those Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 levels (CITY ESCAPE!) in 2D would be so awesome.
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I think more than anything else, Im excited for the classic Sonic levels of the "Dreamcast era". Some of those Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 levels (CITY ESCAPE!) in 2D would be so awesome.
And once again I reiterate what I said earlier. It's inane.
Pretty sure those are the concept pics you were talking about.
No, they're not. What I've seen is the model specs. You know, size relation to Sonic, colors to use, etc.
They're listed, in katakana, with ドクター・ロボトニック.
Either post them or quit teasing us about them.
I think if there is anyone in the world I would believe about Sonic information it would be TSR. He said stuff about this project like a year ago.
If he says they called him that on a concept art then I believe him. Hell he could say Sonic's last name is Sonic and everyone at Sega calls him Sonic Sonic and I would believe it.
He also said we were getting some sort of fan-made Sonic game on the iPhone for sure, and, well, that didn't happen.
TSR tends to get overly excited about the possibility of things.
And once again I reiterate what I said earlier. It's inane.
Pretty sure those are the concept pics you were talking about.
No, they're not. What I've seen is the model specs. You know, size relation to Sonic, colors to use, etc.
They're listed, in katakana, with ドクター・ロボトニック.
Either post them or quit teasing us about them.
I think if there is anyone in the world I would believe about Sonic information it would be TSR. He said stuff about this project like a year ago.
If he says they called him that on a concept art then I believe him. Hell he could say Sonic's last name is Sonic and everyone at Sega calls him Sonic Sonic and I would believe it.
He also said we were getting some sort of fan-made Sonic game on the iPhone for sure, and, well, that didn't happen.
TSR tends to get overly excited about the possibility of things.
Do you mean the Sonic CD iPhone port somebody did and tried to petition SEGA to use it?
And once again I reiterate what I said earlier. It's inane.
Pretty sure those are the concept pics you were talking about.
No, they're not. What I've seen is the model specs. You know, size relation to Sonic, colors to use, etc.
They're listed, in katakana, with ドクター・ロボトニック.
Either post them or quit teasing us about them.
I think if there is anyone in the world I would believe about Sonic information it would be TSR. He said stuff about this project like a year ago.
If he says they called him that on a concept art then I believe him. Hell he could say Sonic's last name is Sonic and everyone at Sega calls him Sonic Sonic and I would believe it.
He also said we were getting some sort of fan-made Sonic game on the iPhone for sure, and, well, that didn't happen.
TSR tends to get overly excited about the possibility of things.
It's still coming, Taxman is still working on it, and the R2 engine is still in Sega's hands.
Just finished Sonic Colors. Holy shit these have to be the longest credits ever.
At least the final boss music is excellent.
Only for the last two hits.
Ok, the rest was pretty good too.
I loved how the song builds up by adding more instruments everytime you damage the boss.
Oh, and the game is definately skipping the Wii. It seems odd, since the Wii version of Unleashed sold the best, but perhaps the Wii teams are busy on something else? Looks like all that Wii owners get this year is Sonic and Mario Olympics 3.
Just finished Sonic Colors. Holy shit these have to be the longest credits ever.
At least the final boss music is excellent.
Only for the last two hits.
Ok, the rest was pretty good too.
I loved how the song builds up by adding more instruments everytime you damage the boss.
Oh, and the game is definately skipping the Wii. It seems odd, since the Wii version of Unleashed sold the best, but perhaps the Wii teams are busy on something else? Looks like all that Wii owners get this year is Sonic and Mario Olympics 3.
And now the hunt for the rest of those red rings begins.
I'm going to do my best to do this without a guide, but man this is almost as bad as the SP rings in Sonic Advance 2.
Also I'm having a hell of a time S-ranking some of these acts.
The Aquarium zone broke me for finding the red rings on a couple of acts and I had to use a guide, those were just such huge areas and I didn't find looking for them underwater that much fun.
I guess I don't like the continuing reliance on the nostalgia factor for trying to sell me Sonic games, especially after Colours proved to me they could make a really fun game that I enjoyed all the way through.
What it does, is excuse a dual dynamic that brings the best elements of Sonic together. On one side you've classic Sonic, who plays through much as you'd remember him from his 16 bit days, with a combination of the d-pad and a single jump button. On the other there's the dynamic 3D acrobatics of modern Sonic, complete with homing jump, dash attack, and an added sense of speed.
For the classic Sonic sections, gameplay is simple and to the point, and what's really heart-warming is how fully it embraces the series' past.Sonic the Hedgehog 4 did a good job of nailing the look of 2D Sonic, but it didn't quite recapture the feel, its physics and sense of momentum feeling a little wayward.
Sonic Generations' producer Takashi Iizuka understandably jumps to that game's defence, no surprise seeing as he was also on production duties for Sonic 4 – and has had a hand in the series since its 16 bit heyday.
"In [Sonic the Hedgehog 4] Episode I, we didn't actually return to the old physics, and nor did we try to create something totally new," Iizuka says, "What we tried to do was respond to the voices we heard in the fans, and create something based on the feedback we were receiving from fans. On this occasion, with Sonic Generations, we've created a game with a totally different game and with completely different physics."
Different, but for classic 2D Sonic it's exactly the same – or, more accurately, it's exactly the same as you remember it. Sonic's movement seems much less stilted in Generations than it was in Sonic the Hedgehog 4, and gaining and maintaining momentum is a much more satisfying affair.
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I'm sort of confused by what they're saying there. "It's different, but the same, except we made something new, and we totally listened to the fans, except where we didn't, which was by making something new when they wanted something old, and now they're getting something new, but it's old, even though it's not."
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I do have two concerns - first I do worry that this means no Sonic 4 Ep 2. When you name something Sonic 4 you are setting a pretty high standard. Having it remain incomplete, or putting it on hiatus would be a pretty major misstep to me.
Second, it looks too fast in 2d. Sonic is about twists and turns and loops, but it's also about exploration. Sonic 4 did the exploration stuff really well, there are multiple paths all over the place and you get rewarded for checking all the nooks and crannies. The 2d sections of Generations look to focus more on going as fast as possible. Hopefully it's just early footage...
I've always been pretty confused about the speed thing in modern Sonics. None of the Mega Drive Sonic games are about speed, there are even plenty of things to stall you or that take control away from you. If anything Mario 1-4 are better for speed running and have superior momentum based platforming and level design.
It's like they are designing Sonic games around the marketing or the cartoon because they play nothing like the originals.
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Has there been any word of what the frame rate in Sonic Generations will be like?
30fps won't cut it for me.
If it runs at 60fps then I'll pretty much be in heaven, here.
For the record, I'm way too cool to be affected by nostalgia. I'm way past cool. BUT, this being a 20th anniversary game and all, I'll make an exception. Just this once.
Has there been any word of what the frame rate in Sonic Generations will be like?
30fps won't cut it for me.
If it runs at 60fps then I'll pretty much be in heaven, here.
Pushing that graphical fidelity? 30fps for sure. That's what Unleashed ran at and this game looks even better.
Unleashed's framerate dipped very often.
In the PS3 version. (From what I've heard.)
Both are bad for it, just the PS3 one is a bit worse. That section where you are running down this alley flanked by white houses on each side was nauseating.
I miss the era of platformers...probably the one genre I wish would make a comeback.
It's sort of making a comeback... though it may never be what it once was, at least it feels like there are more and more good offerings showing up.
Sonic Colors/DS, Super Mario Galaxy/2, New Super Mario Bros./Wii, A Boy and His Blob, Castlevania: The Adventure ReBirth, Bionic Commando Rearmed/2, Mega Man 9/10, Sonic 4, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Shantae...
Incidentally, I'd love to see a Ninja Gaiden which evokes the NES series, but is to those games what Symphony of the Night was to Castlevania.
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That's not the video I saw. The video I've seen is being hosted on. Private ftp and has been deleted from youtube once already.
This is why I don't link tssz. Those aren't the concept art pics I'm talking about.
Pretty sure those are the concept pics you were talking about.
Like Kotaku.
You ever try linking to a Kotaku article? Good luck. >:/
No, they're not. What I've seen is the model specs. You know, size relation to Sonic, colors to use, etc.
They're listed, in katakana, with ドクター・ロボトニック.
Either post them or quit teasing us about them.
This seems a lot truer to the classic Sonic gameplay in the classic sections. Just watching the video Sporky posted, there's a couple of bits where you can see Sonic landing after a jump and taking a couple of steps to stop moving. The real problem in Sonic 4 was the way that when you stopped pressing a direction in the air, he just fell like a rock. It didn't feel good to control at all. Here, it seems like they've gone back to the old style of him taking a while to slow down after a jump.
The 3D sections looked better there, but I hope they play more like the Colours 3D sections than the Unleashed ones, with them being broken up into the distinct drift and side-step sections. Personally, I felt much more in control in Colours, in Unleashed I sometimes felt like everything was happening slightly too fast to be comfortable with, but that might just be personal taste.
That video makes it look really promising though, especially part of the classic sonic where the camera swerves to give us different angles, so it's not a 1:1 remake of Green Hill Zone.
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Minigames? Sonic and Friends? Racing?
I think if there is anyone in the world I would believe about Sonic information it would be TSR. He said stuff about this project like a year ago.
If he says they called him that on a concept art then I believe him. Hell he could say Sonic's last name is Sonic and everyone at Sega calls him Sonic Sonic and I would believe it.
I never asked for this!
Metal Harbor or the Highway level please!
This has so much potential...and unlike Sonic 4, the 2D segments so far look like they should...
Edit > Beaten, but the youtube one might get taken down.
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He also said we were getting some sort of fan-made Sonic game on the iPhone for sure, and, well, that didn't happen.
TSR tends to get overly excited about the possibility of things.
Do you mean the Sonic CD iPhone port somebody did and tried to petition SEGA to use it?
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At least the final boss music is excellent.
Only for the last two hits.
It's still coming, Taxman is still working on it, and the R2 engine is still in Sega's hands.
I loved how the song builds up by adding more instruments everytime you damage the boss.
Oh, and the game is definately skipping the Wii. It seems odd, since the Wii version of Unleashed sold the best, but perhaps the Wii teams are busy on something else? Looks like all that Wii owners get this year is Sonic and Mario Olympics 3.
Whee.
And not a single fuck was given. Because Sonic is back!
I can't afford another console. LOVELY.
I'm going to do my best to do this without a guide, but man this is almost as bad as the SP rings in Sonic Advance 2.
Also I'm having a hell of a time S-ranking some of these acts.
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I've played Green Hill Zone 550 times now, and that's being awfully generous.
NOW I WANT TO PLAY IT IN THAT GAME, TOO. :x
Is it too late for my prior statement to come true? I was being totally serious, lets see all the Green Hill Zones strung together.
The Aquarium zone broke me for finding the red rings on a couple of acts and I had to use a guide, those were just such huge areas and I didn't find looking for them underwater that much fun.
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In fairness, it is an anniversary game...
I'm sort of confused by what they're saying there. "It's different, but the same, except we made something new, and we totally listened to the fans, except where we didn't, which was by making something new when they wanted something old, and now they're getting something new, but it's old, even though it's not."
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Second, it looks too fast in 2d. Sonic is about twists and turns and loops, but it's also about exploration. Sonic 4 did the exploration stuff really well, there are multiple paths all over the place and you get rewarded for checking all the nooks and crannies. The 2d sections of Generations look to focus more on going as fast as possible. Hopefully it's just early footage...
It's like they are designing Sonic games around the marketing or the cartoon because they play nothing like the originals.
30fps won't cut it for me.
If it runs at 60fps then I'll pretty much be in heaven, here.
Pushing that graphical fidelity? 30fps for sure. That's what Unleashed ran at and this game looks even better.
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For the record, I'm way too cool to be affected by nostalgia. I'm way past cool. BUT, this being a 20th anniversary game and all, I'll make an exception. Just this once.
Thank you, Sega.
I miss the era of platformers...probably the one genre I wish would make a comeback.
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Unleashed's framerate dipped very often.
In the PS3 version. (From what I've heard.)
Oh my. :shock:
Both are bad for it, just the PS3 one is a bit worse. That section where you are running down this alley flanked by white houses on each side was nauseating.
It's sort of making a comeback... though it may never be what it once was, at least it feels like there are more and more good offerings showing up.
Sonic Colors/DS, Super Mario Galaxy/2, New Super Mario Bros./Wii, A Boy and His Blob, Castlevania: The Adventure ReBirth, Bionic Commando Rearmed/2, Mega Man 9/10, Sonic 4, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Shantae...
Incidentally, I'd love to see a Ninja Gaiden which evokes the NES series, but is to those games what Symphony of the Night was to Castlevania.
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