I Win Swordfightsall the traits of greatnessstarlight at my feetRegistered Userregular
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I don't see the case for JC or Uriel. One didn't die and the other is quiet?
How is that solid?
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Our margin of error is too razor thin for that to work, I'm afraid. If we don't try to cut down who we can, we are boned in the long term. If we mess up on votes today, we are more boned in the short term, as the game might be over. But we need some breathing room, and getting rid of a single demon could be critical.
I don't see the case for JC or Uriel. One didn't die and the other is quiet?
How is that solid?
I was just kinda throwing a shot in the dark at JC before, honestly.
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ZeroFillFeeling much better.A nice, green leaf.Registered Userregular
edited May 2011
Just to restate a few things:
-The vote was run up on JC of DI. He was the only votegetter of any consequence for some time. Late in the day, say the last 2 hours, a bandwagon formed on T4CT. He didn't help things by acting cagey. As of vote close, it ended up being a tie.
-T4CT, who turned out to be a villager, died. There was no mention of a choice made between the two, a roll of the dice, just that it was T4CT that was clearly the lead target and he who was summarily lynched.
-This points directly to a vote manipulation. If T4CT was a villager, the only reason to manipulate the vote off of him would be to protect JC of DI.
Something else somewhat aside, we still haven't seen mention of The Butcher Knight, or The Crimson Alchemist since we used their names. It's a longshot that it's helping, but it doesn't require much investment from us to invoke their names nightly.
I don't see the case for JC or Uriel. One didn't die and the other is quiet?
How is that solid?
I...
I hate you
It is consistency in Uriel's case
He has not said a damn thing, all has has done is show up at key moments to push bandwagons without commentary. and "I'm new" isn't an excuse, I wasn't reticent my first mafia game, and I doubt many of you guys were either
he's hiding something goddammit
as for JC, either the mafia wanted T4CT gone more, or they went out of their way to save him
I honestly don't see what is so concrete about either of them.
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ZeroFillFeeling much better.A nice, green leaf.Registered Userregular
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anyone trying to act obtuse about JC of DI in the face of the above objective evidence is acting suspicious.
Not that my claims are irrefutable, but you don't argue against something objective with something subjective. If you want to defend JC of DI, bring what you got.
I've been part of my own network. Most of of it has been lost to petty squabbling. Perhaps I am too trusting of my accomplices, but all the same i look out for my own.
I would ask you for your trust, but i've done nothing to deserve it. All I can say was Monkeyfeet's death was to JC of DI's detriment, mafia or not.
I don't see the case for JC or Uriel. One didn't die and the other is quiet?
How is that solid?
I...
I hate you
It is consistency in Uriel's case
He has not said a damn thing, all has has done is show up at key moments to push bandwagons without commentary. and "I'm new" isn't an excuse, I wasn't reticent my first mafia game, and I doubt many of you guys were either
he's hiding something goddammit
as for JC, either the mafia wanted T4CT gone more, or they went out of their way to save him
I was actually just defending Uriel but didn't want to seem suspicious for only choosing him, but fuck it.
It's me defending him as a person not a player. Which is really fucking dangerous and I apologize. He and I chat a lot off the forums and so I care about him, he's a good friend of mine. I tend to get overly sensitive and defensive of him due to people not giving him a chance just because of his past. I just know that he's pretty quiet and reserved and shy. So I don't think him being quiet here is suspicious because that's just him.
But you guys haven't spent the time with him that I have so your suspicion makes sense when I look at it from a perspective other than my own. Your vote is your vote, spend it as you please. But for my money, I think this is the wrong tree to bark up. Also holy shit this tool a long time to type on a phone.
I really really wish I had an answer for why I lived through that.
Preferably one that cleared me of any suspicion.
Though perhaps enough suspicion will fall on me at this point that a seer will check me out and verify my innocence.
Again: This is my first phalla and I"m not entirely sure how all these special abilities work, so maybe this speculation is completely nonsensical. If there was a vote manipulation in my favor, it would only send smoke signals my way. What benefit would this be for a mafia member? The only way I can imagine this benefits the mafia is that everyone sees this as evidence against me and votes for my death - the death of another villager.
i... i'm not sure we want to take out the ogre's storm yet
the name implies that maybe he has power over the ogre?
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ZeroFillFeeling much better.A nice, green leaf.Registered Userregular
edited May 2011
His description is that he is the ogre himself.
Name: Samson Sandrosa, the Ogre's Storm
Description: A huge, hulking monstrocity. Has achieved a state far beyond mankind. Whatever shell of humanity he had when he was born was lost when he transformed. Dark black skin and slimey silver hair cover his gigantic body, huge chucks of teeth are jammed inconsistently along his immense jaw.
Background: Samson was once a researcher of lost and ancient magicks, longing for the day where his discoveries would make him famous across the Realm. Samson's wish was granted when he found magickal scrolls from the Underland High-Intensity Magick ruins. In an attempt to prove the authenticity of the spells he had found, Samon attempted to cast one in front of a prospective client. Ultimately, Samson botched the spell and absorbed all of the greed and sinful aspirations of the men in the room, bound to his soul by a demons heart.
Indeed, but i was there when deals were being made. Deals that required monkeyfeet to be alive today.
names
of everyone in the network
get them public, i don't give a fuck
somebody wasn't secure enough and it got infiltrated
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ZeroFillFeeling much better.A nice, green leaf.Registered Userregular
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This is a small thing that's been bugging me, but maybe someone has insight:
Day 1: He is Kind
Welcome to the Game gentlemen! I shall be your host for the duration of your stay here, I do so hope you have enjoyed yourselves so far.
Ah, but how rude of me. I know who all of you are but none of you know who I am! And in fact some of you, I would say about Thirteen of you, are not who you think they are either! Ho ho ho!
The looks on your little faces right now. I bet you’re wondering which among you are the villains! I bet you are wondering which of you are the heros? I bet some of you think you are pretty special? That’s not the kind of game I run. I don’t like special heros, I love the rush of the crowd, the cheers! The rush to bandwagon one sap after another! Oh, but angering that sap could be a terrible mistake. Who knows what kind of reveal might occur to switch sides suddenly back on to the person who made all the accusations!
Could it be you?
Ah yes, but back to the subject, Eye Ee, who am I?
You see gentlemen, while I do a little sorcery on the side, I am only a part time magician. My real hobby is lying, cheating, and swindling. I have already lied to you once.I will lie to you again. I will change the rules suddenly, abruptly, and without warning. Or not.
I really really wish I had an answer for why I lived through that.
Preferably one that cleared me of any suspicion.
Though perhaps enough suspicion will fall on me at this point that a seer will check me out and verify my innocence.
Again: This is my first phalla and I"m not entirely sure how all these special abilities work, so maybe this speculation is completely nonsensical. If there was a vote manipulation in my favor, it would only send smoke signals my way. What benefit would this be for a mafia member? The only way I can imagine this benefits the mafia is that everyone sees this as evidence against me and votes for my death - the death of another villager.
You know
This is pretty much the same thing I said last game, when I was mafia
So given this and what Zerofill has pointed out I feel inclined to vote for you
I don't really think the names are helping, I mean it never hurts, but I just think we haven't seen the recurrence of some of the demons because there is only one a night, so munkus has to highlight different ones to aid narration.
edit: also, The narrator in that paragraph is the acquaintance, right? If so, it could mean that his lie to the you in that narration is the previous part, when he has you to dinner and transports you there.
But it could be a clue in the preceding paragraph. Man, see, if it wasn't impossible, I would say that the lie is that he loves the rush of the crowd, the bandwagoning, and that the whole set up is a test to have people refuse to choose someone to kill. But anyway, I don't know.
Just a heads up... in the last phalla all the "confirmed villagers" were listed in public to avoid being voted on. The mafia could easily target the network heads and the non-villagers/non-mafia, and that's even without me infiltrating the network.
So I would advise not to name names.
Also, Sal, you've been acting very similar in this game as you have the last game. Does that mean anything?
I really really wish I had an answer for why I lived through that.
Preferably one that cleared me of any suspicion.
Though perhaps enough suspicion will fall on me at this point that a seer will check me out and verify my innocence.
Again: This is my first phalla and I"m not entirely sure how all these special abilities work, so maybe this speculation is completely nonsensical. If there was a vote manipulation in my favor, it would only send smoke signals my way. What benefit would this be for a mafia member? The only way I can imagine this benefits the mafia is that everyone sees this as evidence against me and votes for my death - the death of another villager.
You know
This is pretty much the same thing I said last game, when I was mafia
So given this and what Zerofill has pointed out I feel inclined to vote for you
!JC
you were actually exactly who I was thinking of, Sal
Just a heads up... in the last phalla all the "confirmed villagers" were listed in public to avoid being voted on. The mafia could easily target the network heads and the non-villagers/non-mafia, and that's even without me infiltrating the network.
So I would advise not to name names.
Also, Sal, you've been acting very similar in this game as you have the last game. Does that mean anything?
the list that was posted publicly wasn't completely accurate
and you infiltrated the network because of a shoddy game mechanic
I wouldn't use the last phalla for many examples, particularly to point out the good fortune you fell ass-backwards into
aside from all this though, I don't think lists of anyone other than suspects need to be posted.
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How is that solid?
Don't mistake my overlooking for condoning. Do you want to keep playing the game?
I was just kinda throwing a shot in the dark at JC before, honestly.
-The vote was run up on JC of DI. He was the only votegetter of any consequence for some time. Late in the day, say the last 2 hours, a bandwagon formed on T4CT. He didn't help things by acting cagey. As of vote close, it ended up being a tie.
-T4CT, who turned out to be a villager, died. There was no mention of a choice made between the two, a roll of the dice, just that it was T4CT that was clearly the lead target and he who was summarily lynched.
-This points directly to a vote manipulation. If T4CT was a villager, the only reason to manipulate the vote off of him would be to protect JC of DI.
Something else somewhat aside, we still haven't seen mention of The Butcher Knight, or The Crimson Alchemist since we used their names. It's a longshot that it's helping, but it doesn't require much investment from us to invoke their names nightly.
I...
I hate you
It is consistency in Uriel's case
He has not said a damn thing, all has has done is show up at key moments to push bandwagons without commentary. and "I'm new" isn't an excuse, I wasn't reticent my first mafia game, and I doubt many of you guys were either
he's hiding something goddammit
as for JC, either the mafia wanted T4CT gone more, or they went out of their way to save him
Not that my claims are irrefutable, but you don't argue against something objective with something subjective. If you want to defend JC of DI, bring what you got.
cause it seems like you really don't want suspicion on either of them
I would ask you for your trust, but i've done nothing to deserve it. All I can say was Monkeyfeet's death was to JC of DI's detriment, mafia or not.
It's me defending him as a person not a player. Which is really fucking dangerous and I apologize. He and I chat a lot off the forums and so I care about him, he's a good friend of mine. I tend to get overly sensitive and defensive of him due to people not giving him a chance just because of his past. I just know that he's pretty quiet and reserved and shy. So I don't think him being quiet here is suspicious because that's just him.
But you guys haven't spent the time with him that I have so your suspicion makes sense when I look at it from a perspective other than my own. Your vote is your vote, spend it as you please. But for my money, I think this is the wrong tree to bark up. Also holy shit this tool a long time to type on a phone.
No, if i was doing that then the village would be winning right now because most the mafia would be dead.
i have been in the same situation and objectivity is paramount
i do sympathize though
Melchom Mammon, Sin's Heir,
Tarkin Mua’lib, The Butcher Knight,
Samson Sandrosa, the Ogre's Storm,
Blight!
We know you still walk and hide among us. You fear your name's use in the open because knowledge is power, and you prey on the weak!
So I'll scratch your names here in the dirt of the square with my crude implements. We'll not forget your presence soon.
the name implies that maybe he has power over the ogre?
Name: Samson Sandrosa, the Ogre's Storm
Description: A huge, hulking monstrocity. Has achieved a state far beyond mankind. Whatever shell of humanity he had when he was born was lost when he transformed. Dark black skin and slimey silver hair cover his gigantic body, huge chucks of teeth are jammed inconsistently along his immense jaw.
Background: Samson was once a researcher of lost and ancient magicks, longing for the day where his discoveries would make him famous across the Realm. Samson's wish was granted when he found magickal scrolls from the Underland High-Intensity Magick ruins. In an attempt to prove the authenticity of the spells he had found, Samon attempted to cast one in front of a prospective client. Ultimately, Samson botched the spell and absorbed all of the greed and sinful aspirations of the men in the room, bound to his soul by a demons heart.
names
of everyone in the network
get them public, i don't give a fuck
somebody wasn't secure enough and it got infiltrated
In the preceding paragraph, what is the lie?
You know
This is pretty much the same thing I said last game, when I was mafia
So given this and what Zerofill has pointed out I feel inclined to vote for you
!JC
edit: also, The narrator in that paragraph is the acquaintance, right? If so, it could mean that his lie to the you in that narration is the previous part, when he has you to dinner and transports you there.
But it could be a clue in the preceding paragraph. Man, see, if it wasn't impossible, I would say that the lie is that he loves the rush of the crowd, the bandwagoning, and that the whole set up is a test to have people refuse to choose someone to kill. But anyway, I don't know.
Plus it was no secret that monkeyfeet was a part of Lww's group.
And Monkeyfeet did well to get his own secret's hidden. Enough that I can't make contact with his people now.
So I would advise not to name names.
Also, Sal, you've been acting very similar in this game as you have the last game. Does that mean anything?
we are standing on the razor's edge right now
we need every scrap of information we can get before making a decision and voting now is incredibly silly
you were actually exactly who I was thinking of, Sal
I remember
the list that was posted publicly wasn't completely accurate
and you infiltrated the network because of a shoddy game mechanic
I wouldn't use the last phalla for many examples, particularly to point out the good fortune you fell ass-backwards into
aside from all this though, I don't think lists of anyone other than suspects need to be posted.
and before anybody says I'm seeing mafia every it's because they are and we're about to lose
I didn't see your PM on my ipod touch's tiny screen