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Primary 2012: Romney Wins Debate By Saying Nothing, Having Nice Hair
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And let me tell you, this debate sounded like cthulu-esque madness. If I didn't already know it was a debate, I wouldn't know wtf was going on.
I don't watch them either, but that lineup on that network was guaranteed to deliver at least comedy silver. I watched for the laughs, because it's impossible to take any of them seriously, and I wasn't let down in that regard.
I'm no fan of George W., but come on.
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It's not that absurd a statement. With a serious emphasis on counterterrorism from January 21, 2001? Certainly possible. Hell, with decent intelligence sharing between CIA and FBI, it's stopped. We had all the pieces, just didn't act in time.
Instead it was ignored.
I grant that if counterterrorism had been emphasized in the early Bush administration, or they had revamped the communication sharing process between the CIA and FBI it might have been caught, but that's essentially a hindsight 20/20 remark. To say the Bush administration allowed September 11th to happen is just over the top.
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Also "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US." It was an utter failure.
I suppose it's how you define the terms. Did they know that 9/11 was going to happen as it did and let it happen because they needed a Pearl Harbor moment as an excuse restructure the Middle East? No.
Did they know that terrorism generally and bin Laden in particular was a clear and present danger to the United States and do precisely jack with absolutely no urgency about it? Yes.
Sad thing, that's about the fourth worst Bush Administration scandal.
Republicans want to repeal the 17th Amendment because they think there's a limit on how many Amendments the Constitution can have at any one time, and that's the reason the No-Gay Amendment keeps failing. So they have to cut another one, first, and they didn't think anybody would care about the 17th.
Yeah, that has to be it.
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Honestly, I suspect they'd prefer the repeal of at least half of the post-Civil War amendments. A frightening number of them have to deal with expanding voting rights, and we know how that goes with them.
If I were to say it, I would say that the Bush Administration did not recognize the threat of Al Qaeda as being as serious as it turned out to be, and did not act on intelligence that turned out to be true out of the vast amount of intelligence they receive, some of which was related to 9/11 and was false. I view it as similar to blaming the Clinton administration for not acting on Able Danger. Why? 9/11 Commission says because the FBI and CIA made a number of mistakes. The amount of intelligence they have to deal with is likely gigantic. Israel thought there were 200 terrorists in the US preparing some kind of assault.
Honestly, if you don't want to believe the 9/11 Commission Report, that's up to you, but it's pretty clear that they were working with classified material that we just don't have access to and making assumptions about it is certainly you're right, but it's basically speculation. Declarative statements out of speculation is bizarre. Especially something as declarative as saying it was "allowed to happen."
All the same, it's pretty clear Ron Paul meant that he wanted to return to what George W. said in 2000 with regards to ending nation building. Foreign Policy and Homeland Security related to counterterrorism share traits, but Ron Paul has talked about this subject a lot before.
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You guys just don't understand. You think the average American even reads the constitution? It's way too long for that. You and me, we have shit to do! The Constitution clearly needs to be revised into a three-page format, suitable for teaching in all sixth-grade classrooms.
Romney: Everything Obama has done is terrible. Even the stuff I did first, which was awesome. But now it's terrible. But I'm still awesome because I did all those things. But Obama's terrible.
Bachmann: I'm running for President. Fuck the French. Disband the EPA. Repeal Obamacare! Lower taxes! Obama wants to steal your children in the night! We should pick my VP like American Idol!
Santorum: I strengthened the borders of Minnesota. The economy can grow exponentially if we just want it bad enough. Obama wants to kill you and everyone you ever loved.
Tim Pawlenty: I hate Iowa. I hate taxes. I hate the Federal Government. I hate old people. I hate Obama. Why doesn't everyone love me?
Ron Paul: I'm the Commander-in-Chief. Withdraw all troops from everywhere. Poor people deserve to die. Obama wants to devalue the dollar so that he can steal your gold. Do away with taxes! Disband the Federal Reserve!
Cain: The first step in solving a problem is identifying the problem. We have a problem in this country. See, I identified the problem and solved it. Obama's a racist.
Newt Gingrinch: Obama has caused a worldwide depression and the death of all hope. We can escape this depression by winning the senate and the house and enslaving Muslims to build private sector elevators to the moon.
This might be paraphrased slightly.
There's a liveblog of the thing here.
EDIT: And Cain's comments on Muslims, Sharia law, etc... yeesh! This is gonna be a loooong debate.
Nah man, its okay to enslave criminals. Who are brown.
Because 9% think it's too high, and shouldn't be cut! 9% of respondents could not fully
get their arms around the question. There should be another box you can check for, "I
have utterly no idea what you're talking about. Please, God, don't ask for my input."
Because 9% think it's too high, and shouldn't be cut! 9% of respondents could not fully
get their arms around the question. There should be another box you can check for, "I
have utterly no idea what you're talking about. Please, God, don't ask for my input."
I would buy an argument that NASA is not the best way to get into space NOW. But there is no way that getting rid of NASA in 1969 would have given us a space mecca today.
well I'm feeling pretty confident that the huge amount of people in this thread voting for Bachman or palin are democrats trying to skew the vote to the least likely obama unseaters.
Its not that i dont like palin's attitude, or am unappriciative of the womens republican voting trend shes boosting but no I dont think many conservatives see her as a viable candidate. Bachman's a one trick pony that failed...I honestly have no idea why she thinks she has a chance.
Romney is too much a politician for me. I dont want a politician right now, I want someone who can actually get things done. I honestly am liking Herman Cain as a candidate, not just because he would split the black vote from obama but because he knows what hes talking about economically (And has the experience), and has the feel of a leader that can get things done instead of someone doing it for the popularity. I find it pretty funny at the democrats already calling him racist.
Newt just needs to give it up. I've never really liked him and hes not going to get far in this race acting like he always has....the 2012 race is going to be extremely polarized from a political (Mostly economical view) standpoint. Liberal vs conservatism (again, economically not socially). Newt and Romney arent going to get anywhere with the flipflopping they have been known for.
Santorum might have a shot due to experience. the others i dont know much about.
Ignoring the rest of this (it'll be Romney, the rest are tourists), how do you imagine the quoted working, exactly? What's in your head when you imagine this heroic non-politician "getting things done"?
Don't be ridiculous. I want Bachmann to run to unseat her from the 6th District in Minnesota. Obama is going to destroy whomever runs anyway. Did you see him campaign in '08? Do you think any of these jokers can generate either excitement or a coherant platform that isn't "Whatever Obama does, that sucks"?
Palin doesn't have a voting trend. She was a half-term governor. Governors don't really vote on things, they decide what to veto and sometimes introduce legislation. The stuff she did introduce and champion wasn't even all that Republican. They share the wealth like crazy in Alaska, and they blow tons of money on bridges to nowhere.
I don't really know how to say this, but running for president makes you a politician. The debate last night made it pretty clear that none of these people, with the possible exception of Paul, has any beliefs other than what the Republican party wants in order to support them for their presidential run.
If, by split, you mean 90/10. Black people don't vote for people just because they're black. Obama does have historic levels of African American support, but him being black really is a small part of it. He actually endorses a platform that doesn't savagely fuck black people. Go find Alan Keyes's record with blacks. That's what's going to happen with Cain if he makes it to the general.
I find it funny, too, but I suspect for different reasons.
Newt isn't serious about running anyway, and never was. He's been conning conservatives out of money ever since he left the House in the '90s. I suspect the only reason he's actually putting forward the image is because Maddow called him on it and he needs some cred to keep the money train chugging.
Santorum's frothy mix of racism and homophobia gives him only a slightly better chance of becoming president than my left shoe.
I'm not saying that Obama is going to win for sure, let's at least be honest: Any of these candidates that wins will win based on whether or not Obama screws up and the economy gets worse. Their own merits are, currently, immaterial, because they're either running away from them (like Romney) or not currently in possession of any merits (Bachmann, Palin, Santorum).
Isn't that the guy that promised he won't sign any legislation longer than three pages?
Or is he the guy that did the radio ad about two black guys talking about how awesome republicans are, that couldn't even get two black dudes to voice act it?
#FreeScheck
#FreeSKFM
Also yeah Herman Cain is a racist because of all those racist things he said he believes are good ideas.
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No, I think he's the guy who doesn't trust Muslims.
I think he's referring to Palin starting to move the numbers of women who vote republican instead of democrat. Without looking up the numbers, I think it's a fair assumption. Of course, if someone pulls up the numbers, I could be wrong.
People don't want to hear you're not a canidate, they want to hear what you are going to do. As much as republicans try and claim Obama was running on a "I'm not bush" platform in 2008 he had policy proposals out the ass. If anything it was McCain running on the not bush train, he said it so often I hear Palin got waxed for good measure.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/110638/did-palin-help-mccain-among-white-women.aspx
http://newsone.com/nation/news-one-staff/poll-palin-struggles-among-african-americans-women/
Seems like women dont like her much, or at least didnt not swing in her favor once she got into the game.