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[LGBT]: Bigots can go eat a bag of [Chick-Fil-A]
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Since the last gay rights thread got mired in religious talk, I thought maybe by putting correlative dialogue in the OP that we could avoid over-scrutiny of dragging discussions into yet more tangents of a "Hey, religion sucks!" nature.
So, it seems appropriate in the light of the newly-passed marriage laws in New York that we have another outlet for all the harblegarble. With that in mind, I give you this from the NY Daily News:
Religious leaders slammed the state's new gay marriage law on Saturday, vowing to ban politicians who supported the measure from any Catholic church and parochial school events.
The city's top Catholic clergy released strongly worded statements in the hours after the state Senate voted 33-29 to legalize gay unions. Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio, of the diocese of Brooklyn, called on all Catholic schools to reject any honor bestowed upon them by Gov. Cuomo, who played a pivotal role in getting the bill passed. He further asked all pastors and principals to "not invite any state legislator to speak or be present at any parish or school celebration."
"This is a further erosion of the real understanding of marriage," DiMarzio told the Daily News. "The state should not be concerned about regulating affection."
"I believe the passage of same-sex marriage is another 'nail in the coffin' of marriage," DeMarzio wrote in an essay posted at NYDailyNews.com.
"It is destructive because we fail to view marriage in the context of a vocation: a calling to participate in the great enterprise of forming the next generation. Marriage is reduced to an empty honor," he wrote. "That there was virtually no public debate on the issue and that the entire matter was concluded in just over 30 minutes late on a Friday evening is disgraceful."
New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan said he was "very disappointed, very saddened and very worried" by the developments that will allow same-sex partners to legally wed. "I think for anybody, especially state government, to tamper with something as sacred and timeless and as much a part of the human condition as marriage is careless," Dolan said.
Again, familiar fallacies are being trotted out by the Brooklyn diocese, among them, that being that if marriage is a "sacred institution" (as they argue), this not only precludes members of the LGBT community from being married, but all non-Christians (non-Catholics?) as well. Atheists assuredly are out, but Jews, Muslims, Mormons, and members of any other Christ-denying sect are to be voided as well. The odd part here is that the Catholic Church (nor any evangelical institution, for that matter) never seems to take up this logically-consistent charge of removing marriage rights from heterosexual infidels and blasphemers.
Not to miss out on the oldest of the fallacious arguments, the Catholic bishops in New York again allude to the assertion that marriage is, at its root, a practical arrangement to produce and raise children. Yet I feel confident in betting against their support for LGBT adoption rights.
My favorite part of the article has to be Bishop DiMarzio's crocodile tears at the notion of the government getting involved in people's personal lives. Anyone framing an argument against LGBT rights as a blow against personal liberty has some pretty awesome cognitive dissonance going on.