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Seriously though you'd have better luck getting women to compete against men in other less-contact sports (like Golf and Tennis) before you'd see them cross competing in slightly-more-contact sports (like Basketball) way the fuck before you see them cross competing in full-contact sports (MMA, Boxing, maybe Football and Soccer).
Some women can beat up a whole lot of dudes but the fact of the matter is the dudes have an advantage.
Also, men vs women MMA? Seriously? We're talking about this? We don't even have women in UFC and you want to jump from no women at all to having them fight the dudes?
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They'd be fighting dudes in Strikeforce, like [strike]God[/strike] Dana White intended.
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Not to speak of the UFC, the only really big league in the world and it does not even allow female MMA fighters. You can understand why many female athletes won't even consider a career in the sport
Men are larger and stronger on average... but we're not talking about average. Sure there are certain fundamental differences in body structure, but physically it's not like men of equal size are going to be that much different. Men might have an upper body strength advantage on average, but because a women's pelvis is wider she can generate more force with her legs. Women's muscles don't build up lactic acid as rapidly as men do, they'll have better endurance even at the same size. And if you think a woman built like Cyborg doesn't have a naturally elevated Testosterone level, bringing her more in line with men of her size I've got a bridge to sell you.
However if you want to argue that simply society can't handle men and women fighting each other, then I certainly agree with you.
Cyborg no doubt uses testosterone supplements already but it's not gonna put her on par with athletic males
That has both short-term and long-term consequences on competitiveness and health that really shouldn't be encouraged.
What do you think testosterone does? It doesn't make you stronger automatically. It's not the Captain America serum.
Men can't pack on more muscle at the same weight... If a man and a woman are standing next to each other, each weighs the same and has the same BF% they're going to have the same amount of muscle. The Man might have a preponderance of type I muscle fibers as compared to a woman but that would give the woman an advantage in any kind of endurance activity. Wrestling and grappling have a strength component, but they're not everything. Rolling with purple belts half my size I still can't always out grapple them.
Cause that would be pretty funny. :^:
See my post immediately preceding yours, but yes, men can. At the same weight and body composition, a man would be carrying notably less fat and more muscle. To achieve the same muscle/fat/weight, a woman has to lose significantly more [strike]weight[/strike] fat.
If a woman drops to 5% body fat, she's going to be facing serious short- and long-term health repercussions. It's already a cause of concern in both men's and women's MMA; do you think that encouraging even more severe weight cuts is a good idea?
No, since the frames of a man and a woman are different. Like I said, a man can pack on much more muscle and can do so much more easily. A woman would have to go on testosterone treatments to come even remotely close to the same muscle growth stimulation. This is what female bodybuilders and stronglifters (and many other athletes) do, and they still can not compare to their male counterparts.
If you look at Cyborgs appearance it is clear she is on some sort of testosterone supplements since she can get to such low bodyfat percentages and still develop significant muscle mass.
There is a reason why the best female olympic level lifters can not lift as much as the best men in their weightclass, and trust me, they train just as hard.
For instance, Anthony Johnson weighs well over 200 pounds before he cuts down to 170. Are you going to tell me that he doesn't have significantly more muscle mass than just about every opponent he'll ever face in the Welterweight division? And yet, he's still allowed to compete there because he makes the weight.
Making the argument that someone shouldn't be able to compete in a weight class because they might have less muscle, more fat, etc. is a bit silly regardless of what gender we're talking about.
Don't get me wrong, Tum has a point about the health implications on women if they drop below a certain amount of body fat...it can screw up their hormones and their menstrual cycle, etc. But have any of you seen a picture of Cyborg when she weighs in? I have a hard time believing that woman isn't already below 5% body fat when she fights. I highly doubt she's going to be doing anything differently to her body now fighting women than if she fights men.
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What I'm saying here is that they can't match up to male athletes on a fair level and everything from training to fight day would be an uphill battle for a woman if she competed in a male division
It's really dumb of you to think women should compete with men in MMA. Not even women want this
Men compete at ~4%.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk9_mjaHfrI&feature=channel_video_title#t=1m31s
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Really, my whole point in this debate is that Cyborg would kill pretty much any woman she faces. If she agreed to it and the man agreed to it, why shouldn't it be allowed? Both know what they're getting into.
Besides, if a commission will sanction
this
...then surely a man can fight a woman, right? :lol:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdTYkjCzbEQ
The woman beats the guy up pretty bad, though this is just random people at a gym which is pretty important. She uses headbutts to ruin him which is pretty cool and totally legit for this type of competition.
Japan has (of course) also had a few man vs woman fights in kickboxing and such where the woman does well. However, the further away from amateurs you go the bigger the disparity between men and women become. However at an amateur level the best women are comparable to at least a few men. But at a higher level I do not think they should compete against eachother for reasons stated earlier in this thread
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But then... I dunno, everyone's got a price. I mean, I don't think Jose Aldo would take the fight, but I'm pretty sure lots of guys in other promotions would. A paycheck is a paycheck.
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This. And let me know when the WNBA merges with the NBA along with mens and women's tennis, olympic events, rugby and when the NFL starts taking in female linebackers. When we see some of that, then I'll be all for talking about men and women beating each other up in the cage.
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Also IIRC Fox ran one of their celebrity boxing things years ago featuring Joey Buttafuco (or however you spell it) vs Chyna, a female pro wrestler. More people were upset that she didn't kick Joey's ass, than were upset at the sight of a dude boxing a woman.
The number of women who could actually do this are far and few between, but why preclude them from the opportunity purely because of gender?
Anyway, this discussion has probably run its course...
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I doubt you'll see anyone making the argument that in non-ranked competition, men should never ever spar or grapple with women. That's just silly.
If we're going to have this discussion, let's at least keep it to examples that are analogous, please.
Fair point with tennis and maybe basketball, since those depend less on strength than technique. "Olympic events" is too broad to even comment on.
But you cannot seriously use rugby and football here. The size difference would be too great. For the purposes of this discussion, please try and remember that we're talking about MMA fighters in the same weight class, regardless of gender. Let's try and be a bit more logical with our comparisons.
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In 2008 the only class that lines up between men and women is the 69 kg class; the gold medal total for men was 348 kg and the women's gold total was 286. That's a difference of 62 kg, roughly 132 lbs, which is a pretty serious disparity in that context.
Sorry for being so negative about this, I just think it's a kind of dumb thing to talk about when we don't even have women in the UFC yet, and that I'll argue for, there's some great female fighters out there, they train hard and deserve respect.
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