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[TF2] Pyromania Update Day 3! MEET THE PYRO RELEASED! Do you believe in magic?
UEAKCrash
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Download the Map Pack. 253 MB download.
Contents of the map pack (updated: May 17th):
cp_antiquity_rc1
cp_obscure_final
cp_stoneyridge_b9
ctf_2fort_revamp_b3
ctf_landfall_rc
koth_moonshine_rc
pl_boundary_final
pl_escarpment_rc1
pl_moonlit_b6
pl_quagmire
pl_swiftwater_final_rc
plr_dogbread_b3
Extract to: Steam\steamapps\<your account>\team fortress 2\tf\mapscp_obscure_final
cp_stoneyridge_b9
ctf_2fort_revamp_b3
ctf_landfall_rc
koth_moonshine_rc
pl_boundary_final
pl_escarpment_rc1
pl_moonlit_b6
pl_quagmire
pl_swiftwater_final_rc
plr_dogbread_b3
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-pyro fixed, flamethrowers now less powerful than their primary gun, optimization of game code latter removes laggy particle effects from a minor class
-heavy made as powerful as the other classes through new weapons that give faster speed and self healing, making the game more fun
-New melee weapon for Demolition Expert that kills in one hit, as the class was meant for close, melee focused combat
-Fixed bug where pyros gained crits sometimes, especially with the backburner in certain scenarios
-Heavy fake crits fixed, heavy crit rate set to 100%
-More crazy, zany, large, head obscuring hats added to fix sniping
-Sniper given close range weapon to improve teamwork
-New, better, weapons released for classes that need more powerful main guns, such as the heavy, demo, and spy
-TF3 will come out the same time Half-Life 3 does, in spring 3016
-Valve corrects history by fixing all the developer commentaries contradicting TF2's currently perfect design, especially in regards to the character silhouettes
-Donating to Gaben's private Swiss banking account will give you admin powers on all valve servers
-TF3 implements a system where you may gain new, strange, weapons and incredibly rare hats by paying money for a random chance to win them; I know I'm going a little out on a limb with this one, but I think it'll happen in the far future
NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION! Oh bugger.
It's like page 34 turned into a time machine.
when are people getting on the servers? I haven't played on PA in weeks because everytime I check no one is there =(
Shogun Streams Vidya
Crash
thought the map was really good.
i like the secret door on stage 1
thought the first part of the second stage had too much line of sight and became a sniper hell hole, though we eventually pushed through so i wouldn't tweak it to hard
seemed like the last point was really easy to defend. what about if you only made one entrance to get into the underground which brought you to the end, or maybe one on each end with one in the middle. it was really easy to get slaughtered by a sudden soldier who randomly just dropped down
No, it can't have Dust on it.
That new Counterstrike thing hasn't come out yet.
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Also, Nerf Now's Engie-tan is my spray
The update that was supposed to be coming out yesterday is coming out today instead.
There had been discussion of trying to create better places for sentries on the last point of the second stage so I went engineer to play around a bit. There is a ledge that runs around the top of Red spawn with a little wall towards where Blu is coming from and beside it is a little white ramp. I'm not 100% sure of the purpose of this ramp but it works OK to put a quick sentry on top that has very good coverage but falls victim to nearly every other sentry place in that it is easily out ranged by everything. Beside it on the left though proved to be a little more useful. It has OK visibility of the opposite ledge as well as the tunnel entrance below to cover attackers trying to get behind the defenders. Unfortunately the white ramp thing previously mentioned is designed in such a way that any sentry placed here can still be easily sniped. It would be nice if this white block that I speak of could be filled out underneath. I have included a diagram to illustrate what I mean.
This should afford it some protection from the right (and notably limit its coverage area some, unfortunately). It can still be out ranged a little bit from the tunnel leading to the opposite ledge as I think antipop kept doing to me and can be piped easily but at least it won't be getting sniped. Snipers are super annoying.
I apologize if this doesn't make any sense to people, but it becomes pretty clear if you can actually see the map. I should have taken screenshots...
I just filled it out as per your request. It was really just an idea for a detail later (a support that held the cables that lowered the cart down) but I'm glad to see it had some effect on gameplay, that's the reason to put those things in early. I filled in in already.
I'm going to start looking around that area to see if I can make it less sniper friendly. I had a feeling it would be to some extent, but it seemed to be worse than I thought. That's why there are a lot of sort of random structures around.
Another idea I had was to separate off the previous area from the final a bit more. It seems like one of the biggest problems was that it was difficult to amass in any area before making a push. You had to constantly be in the line of fire to get anywhere. At the very least, I could possibly put in a building connecting to the left side towards the ramp going up, that would provide a decent amount of cover and give a way in without being too exposed.
It seems like it is actually balanced decently, but in the sense that it is both hard to defend and hard to attack. This unfortunately isn't necessarily a good thing.
I greatly appreciate the feedback though, especially with pictures. It helps me a ton for people to even just look at my map and explain what they see. Everyone plays a bit differently, so getting an outside perspective helps a ton. I look at this map for hours and I end up seeing it differently that everyone else. Also, it really doesn't help that I don't play much engineer.
The last corner that Blu couldn't get around seemed a bit overly difficult if only because it was a bit of a chokepoint, but that's not necessarily a *bad* thing. To be fair, I didn't get to see most of that corner as I kept exploding into little bits of Doctor everywhere.
yea i thought the same thing about the last bit. i seem to recall them having like a billion sentries set up there with absolutely no cover, but i may be mistaken
That is what I meant, yeah. It seemed to work pretty well as a sentry position in that it messes up the flankers quite a lot but is so close to the end that if you really relied on it too heavily for your defense then its collapse would mean your doom. We had a heavy and a sniper up there too with my dispenser and that seemed to work pretty well. Maybe too well? I don't know these balance things.
As for balance, it is a really hard thing to quantify. It's just a matter of maintaining a decent attacker win/ loss (attackers should win more than lose, since both teams should have a turn attacking) but ramping up the difficulty for attackers per stage. Plus it has to be fun. That part is important, I guess.
EDIT: Heh, "RAINBOLT DASH".
Balance is incredibly difficult to quantify, especially with a game like this. The onus you take is how to make the map viable for all classes. One misstep and you've either completely black sheeped a class (corridor based maps make Scout/Spy difficult) from the map OR made spots that essentially lead to over-powering a class (i.e. Sniper row). The fact that you seem to be able to put together maps that work for all classes is pretty rad.
Shogun Streams Vidya
Oh hey the other thread fixed itself.
Patch notes
Added a new item type that can accept user-applied decals. Take any image off your hard drive, put it on a stick, and then smash people with it! (See the Decal Tool in the store!)
Added a new in-game abuse-reporting system (see "Capture abuse report data" under "Miscellaneous" controls)
I'm sure those two aren't related at all.
Shogun Streams Vidya
FUCK YESSSS-ER
Also cool for Gullywash, that is a good map.
this little tidbit is exciitng too
All items purchased in the store can be used for crafting and can be traded after a few days
crash i think adding a regroup spot before teh final point would be a good idea.
L'il Saxton may have caused me to laugh way too hard, and I may have stuff all over my dash. (At work, leeching internets from the McD's next door.)
Restarted the server, dunno if it's taken the update yet. But yay Gullywash. Was wondering why it hasn't been updated recently.
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