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Sarksus · December 2011

Bowen did J pay you to say this.

TL DR · December 2011

Fuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud wrote:

desc wrote:

Fuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud wrote:

another interesting phenomenon is what I call Secret White People Club, where I'm with a group of other white people and all of a sudden someone starts being ultra racist and using the N-word because we are all white

What's creepy is how they feel it out usually

They start dropping code words to see if anyone will stop them and then they ramp it up gradually

Argh

yeah one girl was like "I mean, there are black people and there are ***s." my jaw dropped

You've got Chris Rock's Uncle-Tomming to thank for that line.

"Stereotypes are justified because of ignorant blacks and you aren't a racist for buying into them!" D:

spool32 · December 2011

bowen wrote:

Inquisitor wrote:

bowen wrote:

Because someone argued that the origin of the word was sexist.

It's not, but if you can't get past the fact that it has multiple origins and meanings and move past your own sexism, then, there's no bother. I will keep using it as intended. Or maybe starting using pusillanimous, like I said. Though it's hard to say that with a straight face while calling someone that.

This is simply not how language works. Well, I mean, not if you want to communicate with people and actually be understood.

Tell me how it differs from pusillanimous. Tell me why it should matter if I shorten it. Tell me why you immediately assume it's sexist in nature? I've heard the most rational, non-sexist people use it in other ways. I posit that it has moved past it, or is in the process of moving past those connotations. Maybe not in your area. Just because you assume "pussy = weak = like a woman" doesn't mean anyone does, most people are just going "pussy = weak = less strong" now, which is, ironically the original origin of the word -- that part of the etymology anyways.

Oddly, it sort of seems like, in a way, letting the word shed its sexist connotations is an undesirable thing to some people. Our optiosn here are:

1) shame people who use it, reinforcing its power as a sexist term.
2) use it in other ways, diminishing and eventually stripping it of sexist meaning.
3) ban its use, which if effective freezes it in the current quasi-sexist place it is now.

Bogart · December 2011

I am posting from my iPad. It's pretty fancy. I feel very Star Trek walking around the house with this.

Drez · December 2011

JustinSane07 wrote:

Drez wrote:

I was discussing languages with my Armenian/French friend the other day and somehow we got on the topic of bad words. So I told her that my Polish friends often called each other by the Polish word for "cunt" (I used the Polish word - I thought she might know it). She didn't, so I kind of mouthed/whispered the English word. She still didn't know what it meant. So I had to explain what cunt meant to my female friend.

That was awkward.

"It's a derogatory term for vagina that was used as far as Shakespeare."

How is that awkward?

Oh. Yeah. That would have been better than my explicit description.

JustinSane07 · December 2011

Fuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud wrote:

desc wrote:

Fuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud wrote:

another interesting phenomenon is what I call Secret White People Club, where I'm with a group of other white people and all of a sudden someone starts being ultra racist and using the N-word because we are all white

What's creepy is how they feel it out usually

They start dropping code words to see if anyone will stop them and then they ramp it up gradually

Argh

yeah one girl was like "I mean, there are black people and there are ***s." my jaw dropped

HerrCron · December 2011

JustinSane07 wrote:

Daxon wrote:

JustinSane07 wrote:

I openly swear at work all the time.

"What's wrong with my computer?"
"It's being an asshole."

and no one gives a fuck.

oh god I was in the computer lab the other day trying to write a letter and get some stuff sorted out.

dude sits down at the computer next to me and is writing some kind of program for a class.

he starts talking to it and asking why it's returning nonsense something is in the t loop etc etc etc

IT WAS FUCKING ANNOYING

Yeah I'm guilty of that.

"Come on computer, stop being such a dick."

Same here - I have had full blown interrogations of the compiler and why it insists on acting like it's drunk, but only when I'm at home or the only one in the office.

Outside of that I will just occasionally question what kind of bullshit it's trying to pull.

Inquisitor · December 2011

Chu: Personally I got into a handful of scuffles through the school years, but honestly nothing I would call a fight.

Now, I've been punched in the face and stuff, but that's because I took martial arts and sparred, but, that's a controlled environment, entirely different.

In my experience it just comes down to what school you went through. My friend and I are both middle class, I went to a public magnet highschool, next to no fighting. My friend went to an all boys catholic highschool? A good fight about once a week or so.

JustinSane07 · December 2011

Drez wrote:

JustinSane07 wrote:

Drez wrote:

I was discussing languages with my Armenian/French friend the other day and somehow we got on the topic of bad words. So I told her that my Polish friends often called each other by the Polish word for "cunt" (I used the Polish word - I thought she might know it). She didn't, so I kind of mouthed/whispered the English word. She still didn't know what it meant. So I had to explain what cunt meant to my female friend.

That was awkward.

"It's a derogatory term for vagina that was used as far as Shakespeare."

How is that awkward?

Oh. Yeah. That would have been better than my explicit description.

....What....what did you say?

Abdhyius · December 2011

Organichu wrote:

like, to have never been punched in the face... man

now that is wild to me

i honestly feel like i have more in common with barack obama than i do someone who's never been in a fistfight

it was such a hugely significant part of my life, vying for social status, protecting myself, etc

like 'o yeah one time in the second grade i threw a pencil at this kid but otherwise i've never been in a fight'

as i grow older it seems like i'm finding out that's a normal middle class experience- to have never dealt with violence

but in my mind, still, i visualize those people as like the children of diplomats who were escorted by interior service guards to and from school in a gated community

barack obama got punched in the face as a kid?

Tarranon · December 2011

madeon is just the coolest there is

Abdhyius · December 2011

ignant-ass vampires

Ludious · December 2011

Inquisitor wrote:

Chu: Personally I got into a handful of scuffles through the school years, but honestly nothing I would call a fight.

Now, I've been punched in the face and stuff, but that's because I took martial arts and sparred, but, that's a controlled environment, entirely different.

In my experience it just comes down to what school you went through. My friend and I are both middle class, I went to a public magnet highschool, next to no fighting. My friend went to an all boys catholic highschool? A good fight about once a week or so.

I'm sure all of the boys getting fucked in the ass by the priest probably caused some latent agression

Fuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud · December 2011

spool32 wrote:

bowen wrote:

Inquisitor wrote:

bowen wrote:

Because someone argued that the origin of the word was sexist.

It's not, but if you can't get past the fact that it has multiple origins and meanings and move past your own sexism, then, there's no bother. I will keep using it as intended. Or maybe starting using pusillanimous, like I said. Though it's hard to say that with a straight face while calling someone that.

This is simply not how language works. Well, I mean, not if you want to communicate with people and actually be understood.

Tell me how it differs from pusillanimous. Tell me why it should matter if I shorten it. Tell me why you immediately assume it's sexist in nature? I've heard the most rational, non-sexist people use it in other ways. I posit that it has moved past it, or is in the process of moving past those connotations. Maybe not in your area. Just because you assume "pussy = weak = like a woman" doesn't mean anyone does, most people are just going "pussy = weak = less strong" now, which is, ironically the original origin of the word -- that part of the etymology anyways.

Oddly, it sort of seems like, in a way, letting the word shed its sexist connotations is an undesirable thing to some people. Our optiosn here are:

1) shame people who use it, reinforcing its power as a sexist term.
2) use it in other ways, diminishing and eventually stripping it of sexist meaning.
3) ban its use, which if effective freezes it in the current quasi-sexist place it is now.

you forgot option
4) make an active choice not to use a word that perpetuates current unfair gender practices

PotatoNinja · December 2011

spool32 wrote:

Oddly, it sort of seems like, in a way, letting the word shed its sexist connotations is an undesirable thing to some people. Our optiosn here are:

1) shame people who use it, reinforcing its power as a sexist term.
2) use it in other ways, diminishing and eventually stripping it of sexist meaning.
3) ban its use, which if effective freezes it in the current quasi-sexist place it is now.

PORCH MONKEY! HELP ME TAKE IT BACK SPOOL, HELP ME TAKE IT BACK!

Abdhyius · December 2011

JustinSane07 wrote:

Drez wrote:

JustinSane07 wrote:

Drez wrote:

I was discussing languages with my Armenian/French friend the other day and somehow we got on the topic of bad words. So I told her that my Polish friends often called each other by the Polish word for "cunt" (I used the Polish word - I thought she might know it). She didn't, so I kind of mouthed/whispered the English word. She still didn't know what it meant. So I had to explain what cunt meant to my female friend.

That was awkward.

"It's a derogatory term for vagina that was used as far as Shakespeare."

How is that awkward?

Oh. Yeah. That would have been better than my explicit description.

....What....what did you say?

touched hers and went "THAT'S A CUNT"

JustinSane07 · December 2011

TL,DR wrote:

Fuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud wrote:

desc wrote:

Fuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud wrote:

another interesting phenomenon is what I call Secret White People Club, where I'm with a group of other white people and all of a sudden someone starts being ultra racist and using the N-word because we are all white

What's creepy is how they feel it out usually

They start dropping code words to see if anyone will stop them and then they ramp it up gradually

Argh

yeah one girl was like "I mean, there are black people and there are ***s." my jaw dropped

You've got Chris Rock's Uncle-Tomming to thank for that line.

"Stereotypes are justified because of ignorant blacks and you aren't a racist for buying into them!" D:

Really?

Organichu · December 2011

Abdhyius wrote:

Organichu wrote:

like, to have never been punched in the face... man

now that is wild to me

i honestly feel like i have more in common with barack obama than i do someone who's never been in a fistfight

it was such a hugely significant part of my life, vying for social status, protecting myself, etc

like 'o yeah one time in the second grade i threw a pencil at this kid but otherwise i've never been in a fight'

as i grow older it seems like i'm finding out that's a normal middle class experience- to have never dealt with violence

but in my mind, still, i visualize those people as like the children of diplomats who were escorted by interior service guards to and from school in a gated community

barack obama got punched in the face as a kid?

i dunno

maybe not

i'm just trying to illustrate the psychological gap that i imagine exists between me and someone who didn't deal with that particular problem

tyrannus · December 2011

Abdhyius wrote:

JustinSane07 wrote:

Drez wrote:

JustinSane07 wrote:

Drez wrote:

I was discussing languages with my Armenian/French friend the other day and somehow we got on the topic of bad words. So I told her that my Polish friends often called each other by the Polish word for "cunt" (I used the Polish word - I thought she might know it). She didn't, so I kind of mouthed/whispered the English word. She still didn't know what it meant. So I had to explain what cunt meant to my female friend.

That was awkward.

"It's a derogatory term for vagina that was used as far as Shakespeare."

How is that awkward?

Oh. Yeah. That would have been better than my explicit description.

....What....what did you say?

touched hers and went "THAT'S A CUNT"

funny, I would have just pointed at Chu

:j

Leitner · December 2011

desc wrote:

Fuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud wrote:

another interesting phenomenon is what I call Secret White People Club, where I'm with a group of other white people and all of a sudden someone starts being ultra racist and using the N-word because we are all white

What's creepy is how they feel it out usually

They start dropping code words to see if anyone will stop them and then they ramp it up gradually

Argh

P. sure a guy at work is doing that, I guess because I'm the only other white guy on our team. He keeps ramping up the anti-Islam rhetoric, and it's starting to get uncomfortable.

Couple days ago I was stuck in the breakroom for like an hour whilst he talked at me about management pulling him in for a supposed racist complaint to a member of the public, and I can totes believe it despite his protests.

Captain Carrot · December 2011

I've never been in a fight.

Ludious · December 2011

Chris Rock is a comedian

What he does is comedy

If you are taking serious life lessons from him you are missing the point. He's not an uncle tom

desc · December 2011

Being punched in the face sucks

Organichu · December 2011

tyrannus wrote:

Abdhyius wrote:

JustinSane07 wrote:

Drez wrote:

JustinSane07 wrote:

Drez wrote:

I was discussing languages with my Armenian/French friend the other day and somehow we got on the topic of bad words. So I told her that my Polish friends often called each other by the Polish word for "cunt" (I used the Polish word - I thought she might know it). She didn't, so I kind of mouthed/whispered the English word. She still didn't know what it meant. So I had to explain what cunt meant to my female friend.

That was awkward.

"It's a derogatory term for vagina that was used as far as Shakespeare."

How is that awkward?

Oh. Yeah. That would have been better than my explicit description.

....What....what did you say?

touched hers and went "THAT'S A CUNT"

funny, I would have just pointed at Chu

:j

no, not that vagina

the walrus sized jew behind it

Kagera · December 2011

bowen wrote:

Kagera wrote:

bowen wrote:

To me, "weak" doesn't mean woman, because fuck who the fuck thinks like that?

You can be a tough man and one could be a weaker man. Those that default to assuming women are week are the true sexist fucksticks.

What does a woman have that men don't? A pussy. What would calling a man a pussy imply then? That he is not a man?

This is how 99% of society uses this word despite your super unique situation when you interact wit society and use that word with society you are trying to speak to someone in a common tongue so you accept that the meaning of that word defaults to the common usage or else no one would fucking know what the fuck you are on about.

Pussy's as a sex organ slang probably came about because of the actual origin of the word.

Regardless, I disagree you ask most people why they use it, hardly anyone is going to say "because you're weak like a women" except for special cases.

We should get grant money for a study

Ludious · December 2011

That is to say, if you take what he said on stage as a joke, and try to apply it to real life, you are an idiot. That doesn't make him one

JustinSane07 · December 2011

desc wrote:

Being punched in the face sucks

I would categorize as mildly annoying.

bowen · December 2011

spool32 wrote:

bowen wrote:

Inquisitor wrote:

bowen wrote:

Because someone argued that the origin of the word was sexist.

It's not, but if you can't get past the fact that it has multiple origins and meanings and move past your own sexism, then, there's no bother. I will keep using it as intended. Or maybe starting using pusillanimous, like I said. Though it's hard to say that with a straight face while calling someone that.

This is simply not how language works. Well, I mean, not if you want to communicate with people and actually be understood.

Tell me how it differs from pusillanimous. Tell me why it should matter if I shorten it. Tell me why you immediately assume it's sexist in nature? I've heard the most rational, non-sexist people use it in other ways. I posit that it has moved past it, or is in the process of moving past those connotations. Maybe not in your area. Just because you assume "pussy = weak = like a woman" doesn't mean anyone does, most people are just going "pussy = weak = less strong" now, which is, ironically the original origin of the word -- that part of the etymology anyways.

Oddly, it sort of seems like, in a way, letting the word shed its sexist connotations is an undesirable thing to some people. Our optiosn here are:

1) shame people who use it, reinforcing its power as a sexist term.
2) use it in other ways, diminishing and eventually stripping it of sexist meaning.
3) ban its use, which if effective freezes it in the current quasi-sexist place it is now.

I'm assuming the bulk of argumentation is from two sides of a similar coin: A linguistic person, who studies language, and someone who's experienced the worst part of shun from society over feminine and sexist inequalities due to sexual orientation. Hard to be objective in either situation and I can see why someone would take hard offense to the word itself.

Regardless, I agree to disagree, and the word is moving forward and in the future will be nothing more than a synonym.

thehumandignity · December 2011

JustinSane07 wrote:

TL,DR wrote:

Fuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud wrote:

desc wrote:

Fuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud wrote:

another interesting phenomenon is what I call Secret White People Club, where I'm with a group of other white people and all of a sudden someone starts being ultra racist and using the N-word because we are all white

What's creepy is how they feel it out usually

They start dropping code words to see if anyone will stop them and then they ramp it up gradually

Argh

yeah one girl was like "I mean, there are black people and there are ***s." my jaw dropped

You've got Chris Rock's Uncle-Tomming to thank for that line.

"Stereotypes are justified because of ignorant blacks and you aren't a racist for buying into them!" D:

Really?

If that quote is accurate, then yeah, that's what he is.

JustinSane07 · December 2011

thehumandignity wrote:

JustinSane07 wrote:

TL,DR wrote:

Fuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud wrote:

desc wrote:

Fuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud wrote:

another interesting phenomenon is what I call Secret White People Club, where I'm with a group of other white people and all of a sudden someone starts being ultra racist and using the N-word because we are all white

What's creepy is how they feel it out usually

They start dropping code words to see if anyone will stop them and then they ramp it up gradually

Argh

yeah one girl was like "I mean, there are black people and there are ***s." my jaw dropped

You've got Chris Rock's Uncle-Tomming to thank for that line.

"Stereotypes are justified because of ignorant blacks and you aren't a racist for buying into them!" D:

Really?

If that quote is accurate, then yeah, that's what he is.

Really?

Daxon · December 2011

Drez wrote:

JustinSane07 wrote:

Drez wrote:

I was discussing languages with my Armenian/French friend the other day and somehow we got on the topic of bad words. So I told her that my Polish friends often called each other by the Polish word for "cunt" (I used the Polish word - I thought she might know it). She didn't, so I kind of mouthed/whispered the English word. She still didn't know what it meant. So I had to explain what cunt meant to my female friend.

That was awkward.

"It's a derogatory term for vagina that was used as far as Shakespeare."

How is that awkward?

Oh. Yeah. That would have been better than my explicit description.

Cunt used to be the go-to word for vagina though, and was non-derogatory to begin with I do believe.

isn't it like the old english word for vagina? it's just that people wanted to sound fancy and got a latinised word in (vagina) to replace it.

Which is why feminists (Germaine Greer in particular) is/are trying to "reclaim" it.

Abdhyius · December 2011

Organichu wrote:

Abdhyius wrote:

Organichu wrote:

like, to have never been punched in the face... man

now that is wild to me

i honestly feel like i have more in common with barack obama than i do someone who's never been in a fistfight

it was such a hugely significant part of my life, vying for social status, protecting myself, etc

like 'o yeah one time in the second grade i threw a pencil at this kid but otherwise i've never been in a fight'

as i grow older it seems like i'm finding out that's a normal middle class experience- to have never dealt with violence

but in my mind, still, i visualize those people as like the children of diplomats who were escorted by interior service guards to and from school in a gated community

barack obama got punched in the face as a kid?

i dunno

maybe not

i'm just trying to illustrate the psychological gap that i imagine exists between me and someone who didn't deal with that particular problem

I've never been punched in the face!

the only time that came close was when I punched a dude in the face and then he held me by the cuff and was like, winding up to punch me

but I was just "welp, gonna get punched." so when I just stood there with a neutral expression and he had hesitated it just got awkward

Fuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud · December 2011

Ludious wrote:

Chris Rock is a comedian

What he does is comedy

If you are taking serious life lessons from him you are missing the point. He's not an uncle tom

yeah and Tracy Morgan was totally making a joke about stabbing gay children not perpetuating homophobia
oh wait

Spoiler:

Daxon · December 2011

oh here it is.

Drez · December 2011

desc wrote:

Fuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud wrote:

another interesting phenomenon is what I call Secret White People Club, where I'm with a group of other white people and all of a sudden someone starts being ultra racist and using the N-word because we are all white

What's creepy is how they feel it out usually

They start dropping code words to see if anyone will stop them and then they ramp it up gradually

Argh

This is so true.

It's like when you're trying to figure out if the hobo you're talking to is a fellow member of the thieves guild. You start dropping hints like "damn, these lockpicks I am holdling are of the most excellent quality" or "can you believe that it is exactly 37 paces from the front to the back of the palace" or "I cannot believe the guard patrol routes around that bank are shut down for a full 15 minutes during the sundown shift change" before you whip out your Thieves Guild un-business card and show it to the guy.

Because you can get in some right trouble if you don't feel that shit out first. The other guy be like "what mothafucka I'm a cop" and you be like "oh shit I shouldn't have given you my card" and he be like "what? I bet you a racist too eh mothafucka?" and

maybe I should stop watching The Wire and playing Quest For Glory at the same time.

Organichu · December 2011

Abdhyius wrote:

Organichu wrote:

Abdhyius wrote:

Organichu wrote:

like, to have never been punched in the face... man

now that is wild to me

i honestly feel like i have more in common with barack obama than i do someone who's never been in a fistfight

it was such a hugely significant part of my life, vying for social status, protecting myself, etc

like 'o yeah one time in the second grade i threw a pencil at this kid but otherwise i've never been in a fight'

as i grow older it seems like i'm finding out that's a normal middle class experience- to have never dealt with violence

but in my mind, still, i visualize those people as like the children of diplomats who were escorted by interior service guards to and from school in a gated community

barack obama got punched in the face as a kid?

i dunno

maybe not

i'm just trying to illustrate the psychological gap that i imagine exists between me and someone who didn't deal with that particular problem

I've never been punched in the face!

the only time that came close was when I punched a dude in the face and then he held me by the cuff and was like, winding up to punch me

but I was just "welp, gonna get punched." so when I just stood there with a neutral expression and he had hesitated it just got awkward

yep

that's incredible to me

Ludious · December 2011

Comedy is sacred in that nothing on stage is sacred and we should keep it that way*

*As long as it is comedy and is not veering off into a clearly-off-the-cuff rant

Drez · December 2011

JustinSane07 wrote:

Drez wrote:

JustinSane07 wrote:

Drez wrote:

I was discussing languages with my Armenian/French friend the other day and somehow we got on the topic of bad words. So I told her that my Polish friends often called each other by the Polish word for "cunt" (I used the Polish word - I thought she might know it). She didn't, so I kind of mouthed/whispered the English word. She still didn't know what it meant. So I had to explain what cunt meant to my female friend.

That was awkward.

"It's a derogatory term for vagina that was used as far as Shakespeare."

How is that awkward?

Oh. Yeah. That would have been better than my explicit description.

....What....what did you say?

It started with "Close your eyes" so maybe that was my first mistake.

Mojo_Jojo · December 2011

Leitner wrote:

[a guy at work is doing that, I guess because I'm the only other white guy on our team. He keeps ramping up the anti-Islam rhetoric, and it's starting to get uncomfortable.

Couple days ago I was stuck in the breakroom for like an hour whilst he talked at me about management pulling him in for a supposed racist complaint to a member of the public, and I can totes believe it despite his protests.

Soon you'll be together at a war enactment and he'll be all "Heil Hitler!" and doing his salutes and soon you'll realise that it's not jokes, but it'll be too late. Later your housemate will have sex with an improbably attractive woman, and you'll get engaged to the woman you lusted after since it all began but slowly realise that you don't love her as the wedding draws closer.

Drez · December 2011

Ludious wrote:

Comedy is sacred in that nothing on stage is sacred and we should keep it that way*

*As long as it is comedy and is not veering off into a clearly-off-the-cuff rant

clearly-off-the-cunt rant

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