another interesting phenomenon is what I call Secret White People Club, where I'm with a group of other white people and all of a sudden someone starts being ultra racist and using the N-word because we are all white
What's creepy is how they feel it out usually
They start dropping code words to see if anyone will stop them and then they ramp it up gradually
Argh
yeah one girl was like "I mean, there are black people and there are ***s." my jaw dropped
You've got Chris Rock's Uncle-Tomming to thank for that line.
"Stereotypes are justified because of ignorant blacks and you aren't a racist for buying into them!"
Because someone argued that the origin of the word was sexist.
It's not, but if you can't get past the fact that it has multiple origins and meanings and move past your own sexism, then, there's no bother. I will keep using it as intended. Or maybe starting using pusillanimous, like I said. Though it's hard to say that with a straight face while calling someone that.
This is simply not how language works. Well, I mean, not if you want to communicate with people and actually be understood.
Tell me how it differs from pusillanimous. Tell me why it should matter if I shorten it. Tell me why you immediately assume it's sexist in nature? I've heard the most rational, non-sexist people use it in other ways. I posit that it has moved past it, or is in the process of moving past those connotations. Maybe not in your area. Just because you assume "pussy = weak = like a woman" doesn't mean anyone does, most people are just going "pussy = weak = less strong" now, which is, ironically the original origin of the word -- that part of the etymology anyways.
Oddly, it sort of seems like, in a way, letting the word shed its sexist connotations is an undesirable thing to some people. Our optiosn here are:
1) shame people who use it, reinforcing its power as a sexist term.
2) use it in other ways, diminishing and eventually stripping it of sexist meaning.
3) ban its use, which if effective freezes it in the current quasi-sexist place it is now.
I was discussing languages with my Armenian/French friend the other day and somehow we got on the topic of bad words. So I told her that my Polish friends often called each other by the Polish word for "cunt" (I used the Polish word - I thought she might know it). She didn't, so I kind of mouthed/whispered the English word. She still didn't know what it meant. So I had to explain what cunt meant to my female friend.
That was awkward.
"It's a derogatory term for vagina that was used as far as Shakespeare."
How is that awkward?
Oh. Yeah. That would have been better than my explicit description.
another interesting phenomenon is what I call Secret White People Club, where I'm with a group of other white people and all of a sudden someone starts being ultra racist and using the N-word because we are all white
What's creepy is how they feel it out usually
They start dropping code words to see if anyone will stop them and then they ramp it up gradually
Argh
yeah one girl was like "I mean, there are black people and there are ***s." my jaw dropped
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HerrCronIt that wickedly supports taxationRegistered Userregular
"What's wrong with my computer?"
"It's being an asshole."
and no one gives a fuck.
oh god I was in the computer lab the other day trying to write a letter and get some stuff sorted out.
dude sits down at the computer next to me and is writing some kind of program for a class.
he starts talking to it and asking why it's returning nonsense something is in the t loop etc etc etc
IT WAS FUCKING ANNOYING
Yeah I'm guilty of that.
"Come on computer, stop being such a dick."
Same here - I have had full blown interrogations of the compiler and why it insists on acting like it's drunk, but only when I'm at home or the only one in the office.
Outside of that I will just occasionally question what kind of bullshit it's trying to pull.
Chu: Personally I got into a handful of scuffles through the school years, but honestly nothing I would call a fight.
Now, I've been punched in the face and stuff, but that's because I took martial arts and sparred, but, that's a controlled environment, entirely different.
In my experience it just comes down to what school you went through. My friend and I are both middle class, I went to a public magnet highschool, next to no fighting. My friend went to an all boys catholic highschool? A good fight about once a week or so.
I was discussing languages with my Armenian/French friend the other day and somehow we got on the topic of bad words. So I told her that my Polish friends often called each other by the Polish word for "cunt" (I used the Polish word - I thought she might know it). She didn't, so I kind of mouthed/whispered the English word. She still didn't know what it meant. So I had to explain what cunt meant to my female friend.
That was awkward.
"It's a derogatory term for vagina that was used as far as Shakespeare."
How is that awkward?
Oh. Yeah. That would have been better than my explicit description.
like, to have never been punched in the face... man
now that is wild to me
i honestly feel like i have more in common with barack obama than i do someone who's never been in a fistfight
it was such a hugely significant part of my life, vying for social status, protecting myself, etc
like 'o yeah one time in the second grade i threw a pencil at this kid but otherwise i've never been in a fight'
as i grow older it seems like i'm finding out that's a normal middle class experience- to have never dealt with violence
but in my mind, still, i visualize those people as like the children of diplomats who were escorted by interior service guards to and from school in a gated community
Chu: Personally I got into a handful of scuffles through the school years, but honestly nothing I would call a fight.
Now, I've been punched in the face and stuff, but that's because I took martial arts and sparred, but, that's a controlled environment, entirely different.
In my experience it just comes down to what school you went through. My friend and I are both middle class, I went to a public magnet highschool, next to no fighting. My friend went to an all boys catholic highschool? A good fight about once a week or so.
I'm sure all of the boys getting fucked in the ass by the priest probably caused some latent agression
Because someone argued that the origin of the word was sexist.
It's not, but if you can't get past the fact that it has multiple origins and meanings and move past your own sexism, then, there's no bother. I will keep using it as intended. Or maybe starting using pusillanimous, like I said. Though it's hard to say that with a straight face while calling someone that.
This is simply not how language works. Well, I mean, not if you want to communicate with people and actually be understood.
Tell me how it differs from pusillanimous. Tell me why it should matter if I shorten it. Tell me why you immediately assume it's sexist in nature? I've heard the most rational, non-sexist people use it in other ways. I posit that it has moved past it, or is in the process of moving past those connotations. Maybe not in your area. Just because you assume "pussy = weak = like a woman" doesn't mean anyone does, most people are just going "pussy = weak = less strong" now, which is, ironically the original origin of the word -- that part of the etymology anyways.
Oddly, it sort of seems like, in a way, letting the word shed its sexist connotations is an undesirable thing to some people. Our optiosn here are:
1) shame people who use it, reinforcing its power as a sexist term.
2) use it in other ways, diminishing and eventually stripping it of sexist meaning.
3) ban its use, which if effective freezes it in the current quasi-sexist place it is now.
you forgot option
4) make an active choice not to use a word that perpetuates current unfair gender practices
Oddly, it sort of seems like, in a way, letting the word shed its sexist connotations is an undesirable thing to some people. Our optiosn here are:
1) shame people who use it, reinforcing its power as a sexist term.
2) use it in other ways, diminishing and eventually stripping it of sexist meaning.
3) ban its use, which if effective freezes it in the current quasi-sexist place it is now.
PORCH MONKEY! HELP ME TAKE IT BACK SPOOL, HELP ME TAKE IT BACK!
I was discussing languages with my Armenian/French friend the other day and somehow we got on the topic of bad words. So I told her that my Polish friends often called each other by the Polish word for "cunt" (I used the Polish word - I thought she might know it). She didn't, so I kind of mouthed/whispered the English word. She still didn't know what it meant. So I had to explain what cunt meant to my female friend.
That was awkward.
"It's a derogatory term for vagina that was used as far as Shakespeare."
How is that awkward?
Oh. Yeah. That would have been better than my explicit description.
another interesting phenomenon is what I call Secret White People Club, where I'm with a group of other white people and all of a sudden someone starts being ultra racist and using the N-word because we are all white
What's creepy is how they feel it out usually
They start dropping code words to see if anyone will stop them and then they ramp it up gradually
Argh
yeah one girl was like "I mean, there are black people and there are ***s." my jaw dropped
You've got Chris Rock's Uncle-Tomming to thank for that line.
"Stereotypes are justified because of ignorant blacks and you aren't a racist for buying into them!"
like, to have never been punched in the face... man
now that is wild to me
i honestly feel like i have more in common with barack obama than i do someone who's never been in a fistfight
it was such a hugely significant part of my life, vying for social status, protecting myself, etc
like 'o yeah one time in the second grade i threw a pencil at this kid but otherwise i've never been in a fight'
as i grow older it seems like i'm finding out that's a normal middle class experience- to have never dealt with violence
but in my mind, still, i visualize those people as like the children of diplomats who were escorted by interior service guards to and from school in a gated community
barack obama got punched in the face as a kid?
i dunno
maybe not
i'm just trying to illustrate the psychological gap that i imagine exists between me and someone who didn't deal with that particular problem
I was discussing languages with my Armenian/French friend the other day and somehow we got on the topic of bad words. So I told her that my Polish friends often called each other by the Polish word for "cunt" (I used the Polish word - I thought she might know it). She didn't, so I kind of mouthed/whispered the English word. She still didn't know what it meant. So I had to explain what cunt meant to my female friend.
That was awkward.
"It's a derogatory term for vagina that was used as far as Shakespeare."
How is that awkward?
Oh. Yeah. That would have been better than my explicit description.
another interesting phenomenon is what I call Secret White People Club, where I'm with a group of other white people and all of a sudden someone starts being ultra racist and using the N-word because we are all white
What's creepy is how they feel it out usually
They start dropping code words to see if anyone will stop them and then they ramp it up gradually
Argh
P. sure a guy at work is doing that, I guess because I'm the only other white guy on our team. He keeps ramping up the anti-Islam rhetoric, and it's starting to get uncomfortable.
Couple days ago I was stuck in the breakroom for like an hour whilst he talked at me about management pulling him in for a supposed racist complaint to a member of the public, and I can totes believe it despite his protests.
I was discussing languages with my Armenian/French friend the other day and somehow we got on the topic of bad words. So I told her that my Polish friends often called each other by the Polish word for "cunt" (I used the Polish word - I thought she might know it). She didn't, so I kind of mouthed/whispered the English word. She still didn't know what it meant. So I had to explain what cunt meant to my female friend.
That was awkward.
"It's a derogatory term for vagina that was used as far as Shakespeare."
How is that awkward?
Oh. Yeah. That would have been better than my explicit description.
....What....what did you say?
touched hers and went "THAT'S A CUNT"
funny, I would have just pointed at Chu
:j
no, not that vagina
the walrus sized jew behind it
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KageraImitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered Userregular
To me, "weak" doesn't mean woman, because fuck who the fuck thinks like that?
You can be a tough man and one could be a weaker man. Those that default to assuming women are week are the true sexist fucksticks.
What does a woman have that men don't? A pussy. What would calling a man a pussy imply then? That he is not a man?
This is how 99% of society uses this word despite your super unique situation when you interact wit society and use that word with society you are trying to speak to someone in a common tongue so you accept that the meaning of that word defaults to the common usage or else no one would fucking know what the fuck you are on about.
Pussy's as a sex organ slang probably came about because of the actual origin of the word.
Regardless, I disagree you ask most people why they use it, hardly anyone is going to say "because you're weak like a women" except for special cases.
We should get grant money for a study
My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
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LudiousI just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered Userregular
That is to say, if you take what he said on stage as a joke, and try to apply it to real life, you are an idiot. That doesn't make him one
Because someone argued that the origin of the word was sexist.
It's not, but if you can't get past the fact that it has multiple origins and meanings and move past your own sexism, then, there's no bother. I will keep using it as intended. Or maybe starting using pusillanimous, like I said. Though it's hard to say that with a straight face while calling someone that.
This is simply not how language works. Well, I mean, not if you want to communicate with people and actually be understood.
Tell me how it differs from pusillanimous. Tell me why it should matter if I shorten it. Tell me why you immediately assume it's sexist in nature? I've heard the most rational, non-sexist people use it in other ways. I posit that it has moved past it, or is in the process of moving past those connotations. Maybe not in your area. Just because you assume "pussy = weak = like a woman" doesn't mean anyone does, most people are just going "pussy = weak = less strong" now, which is, ironically the original origin of the word -- that part of the etymology anyways.
Oddly, it sort of seems like, in a way, letting the word shed its sexist connotations is an undesirable thing to some people. Our optiosn here are:
1) shame people who use it, reinforcing its power as a sexist term.
2) use it in other ways, diminishing and eventually stripping it of sexist meaning.
3) ban its use, which if effective freezes it in the current quasi-sexist place it is now.
I'm assuming the bulk of argumentation is from two sides of a similar coin: A linguistic person, who studies language, and someone who's experienced the worst part of shun from society over feminine and sexist inequalities due to sexual orientation. Hard to be objective in either situation and I can see why someone would take hard offense to the word itself.
Regardless, I agree to disagree, and the word is moving forward and in the future will be nothing more than a synonym.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
another interesting phenomenon is what I call Secret White People Club, where I'm with a group of other white people and all of a sudden someone starts being ultra racist and using the N-word because we are all white
What's creepy is how they feel it out usually
They start dropping code words to see if anyone will stop them and then they ramp it up gradually
Argh
yeah one girl was like "I mean, there are black people and there are ***s." my jaw dropped
You've got Chris Rock's Uncle-Tomming to thank for that line.
"Stereotypes are justified because of ignorant blacks and you aren't a racist for buying into them!"
Really?
If that quote is accurate, then yeah, that's what he is.
another interesting phenomenon is what I call Secret White People Club, where I'm with a group of other white people and all of a sudden someone starts being ultra racist and using the N-word because we are all white
What's creepy is how they feel it out usually
They start dropping code words to see if anyone will stop them and then they ramp it up gradually
Argh
yeah one girl was like "I mean, there are black people and there are ***s." my jaw dropped
You've got Chris Rock's Uncle-Tomming to thank for that line.
"Stereotypes are justified because of ignorant blacks and you aren't a racist for buying into them!"
Really?
If that quote is accurate, then yeah, that's what he is.
I was discussing languages with my Armenian/French friend the other day and somehow we got on the topic of bad words. So I told her that my Polish friends often called each other by the Polish word for "cunt" (I used the Polish word - I thought she might know it). She didn't, so I kind of mouthed/whispered the English word. She still didn't know what it meant. So I had to explain what cunt meant to my female friend.
That was awkward.
"It's a derogatory term for vagina that was used as far as Shakespeare."
How is that awkward?
Oh. Yeah. That would have been better than my explicit description.
Cunt used to be the go-to word for vagina though, and was non-derogatory to begin with I do believe.
isn't it like the old english word for vagina? it's just that people wanted to sound fancy and got a latinised word in (vagina) to replace it.
Which is why feminists (Germaine Greer in particular) is/are trying to "reclaim" it.
like, to have never been punched in the face... man
now that is wild to me
i honestly feel like i have more in common with barack obama than i do someone who's never been in a fistfight
it was such a hugely significant part of my life, vying for social status, protecting myself, etc
like 'o yeah one time in the second grade i threw a pencil at this kid but otherwise i've never been in a fight'
as i grow older it seems like i'm finding out that's a normal middle class experience- to have never dealt with violence
but in my mind, still, i visualize those people as like the children of diplomats who were escorted by interior service guards to and from school in a gated community
barack obama got punched in the face as a kid?
i dunno
maybe not
i'm just trying to illustrate the psychological gap that i imagine exists between me and someone who didn't deal with that particular problem
I've never been punched in the face!
the only time that came close was when I punched a dude in the face and then he held me by the cuff and was like, winding up to punch me
but I was just "welp, gonna get punched." so when I just stood there with a neutral expression and he had hesitated it just got awkward
If you are taking serious life lessons from him you are missing the point. He's not an uncle tom
yeah and Tracy Morgan was totally making a joke about stabbing gay children not perpetuating homophobia
oh wait
Also, in other news, I think the media skewering him was a bit unfair, especially when they tried to ascribe homophobia to some sort of racial quality of people of color. It was like anti-homophobic racism.
another interesting phenomenon is what I call Secret White People Club, where I'm with a group of other white people and all of a sudden someone starts being ultra racist and using the N-word because we are all white
What's creepy is how they feel it out usually
They start dropping code words to see if anyone will stop them and then they ramp it up gradually
Argh
This is so true.
It's like when you're trying to figure out if the hobo you're talking to is a fellow member of the thieves guild. You start dropping hints like "damn, these lockpicks I am holdling are of the most excellent quality" or "can you believe that it is exactly 37 paces from the front to the back of the palace" or "I cannot believe the guard patrol routes around that bank are shut down for a full 15 minutes during the sundown shift change" before you whip out your Thieves Guild un-business card and show it to the guy.
Because you can get in some right trouble if you don't feel that shit out first. The other guy be like "what mothafucka I'm a cop" and you be like "oh shit I shouldn't have given you my card" and he be like "what? I bet you a racist too eh mothafucka?" and
maybe I should stop watching The Wire and playing Quest For Glory at the same time.
like, to have never been punched in the face... man
now that is wild to me
i honestly feel like i have more in common with barack obama than i do someone who's never been in a fistfight
it was such a hugely significant part of my life, vying for social status, protecting myself, etc
like 'o yeah one time in the second grade i threw a pencil at this kid but otherwise i've never been in a fight'
as i grow older it seems like i'm finding out that's a normal middle class experience- to have never dealt with violence
but in my mind, still, i visualize those people as like the children of diplomats who were escorted by interior service guards to and from school in a gated community
barack obama got punched in the face as a kid?
i dunno
maybe not
i'm just trying to illustrate the psychological gap that i imagine exists between me and someone who didn't deal with that particular problem
I've never been punched in the face!
the only time that came close was when I punched a dude in the face and then he held me by the cuff and was like, winding up to punch me
but I was just "welp, gonna get punched." so when I just stood there with a neutral expression and he had hesitated it just got awkward
yep
that's incredible to me
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LudiousI just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered Userregular
Comedy is sacred in that nothing on stage is sacred and we should keep it that way*
*As long as it is comedy and is not veering off into a clearly-off-the-cuff rant
I was discussing languages with my Armenian/French friend the other day and somehow we got on the topic of bad words. So I told her that my Polish friends often called each other by the Polish word for "cunt" (I used the Polish word - I thought she might know it). She didn't, so I kind of mouthed/whispered the English word. She still didn't know what it meant. So I had to explain what cunt meant to my female friend.
That was awkward.
"It's a derogatory term for vagina that was used as far as Shakespeare."
How is that awkward?
Oh. Yeah. That would have been better than my explicit description.
....What....what did you say?
It started with "Close your eyes" so maybe that was my first mistake.
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Mojo_JojoWe are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourseRegistered Userregular
[a guy at work is doing that, I guess because I'm the only other white guy on our team. He keeps ramping up the anti-Islam rhetoric, and it's starting to get uncomfortable.
Couple days ago I was stuck in the breakroom for like an hour whilst he talked at me about management pulling him in for a supposed racist complaint to a member of the public, and I can totes believe it despite his protests.
Soon you'll be together at a war enactment and he'll be all "Heil Hitler!" and doing his salutes and soon you'll realise that it's not jokes, but it'll be too late. Later your housemate will have sex with an improbably attractive woman, and you'll get engaged to the woman you lusted after since it all began but slowly realise that you don't love her as the wedding draws closer.
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You've got Chris Rock's Uncle-Tomming to thank for that line.
"Stereotypes are justified because of ignorant blacks and you aren't a racist for buying into them!"
Oddly, it sort of seems like, in a way, letting the word shed its sexist connotations is an undesirable thing to some people. Our optiosn here are:
1) shame people who use it, reinforcing its power as a sexist term.
2) use it in other ways, diminishing and eventually stripping it of sexist meaning.
3) ban its use, which if effective freezes it in the current quasi-sexist place it is now.
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Oh. Yeah. That would have been better than my explicit description.
Same here - I have had full blown interrogations of the compiler and why it insists on acting like it's drunk, but only when I'm at home or the only one in the office.
Outside of that I will just occasionally question what kind of bullshit it's trying to pull.
Now, I've been punched in the face and stuff, but that's because I took martial arts and sparred, but, that's a controlled environment, entirely different.
In my experience it just comes down to what school you went through. My friend and I are both middle class, I went to a public magnet highschool, next to no fighting. My friend went to an all boys catholic highschool? A good fight about once a week or so.
....What....what did you say?
barack obama got punched in the face as a kid?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTx3G6h2xyA&feature=related
madeon is just the coolest there is
On the black screen
I'm sure all of the boys getting fucked in the ass by the priest probably caused some latent agression
4) make an active choice not to use a word that perpetuates current unfair gender practices
PORCH MONKEY! HELP ME TAKE IT BACK SPOOL, HELP ME TAKE IT BACK!
touched hers and went "THAT'S A CUNT"
Really?
i dunno
maybe not
i'm just trying to illustrate the psychological gap that i imagine exists between me and someone who didn't deal with that particular problem
:j
P. sure a guy at work is doing that, I guess because I'm the only other white guy on our team. He keeps ramping up the anti-Islam rhetoric, and it's starting to get uncomfortable.
Couple days ago I was stuck in the breakroom for like an hour whilst he talked at me about management pulling him in for a supposed racist complaint to a member of the public, and I can totes believe it despite his protests.
What he does is comedy
If you are taking serious life lessons from him you are missing the point. He's not an uncle tom
no, not that vagina
the walrus sized jew behind it
We should get grant money for a study
I would categorize as mildly annoying.
I'm assuming the bulk of argumentation is from two sides of a similar coin: A linguistic person, who studies language, and someone who's experienced the worst part of shun from society over feminine and sexist inequalities due to sexual orientation. Hard to be objective in either situation and I can see why someone would take hard offense to the word itself.
Regardless, I agree to disagree, and the word is moving forward and in the future will be nothing more than a synonym.
If that quote is accurate, then yeah, that's what he is.
Really?
Cunt used to be the go-to word for vagina though, and was non-derogatory to begin with I do believe.
isn't it like the old english word for vagina? it's just that people wanted to sound fancy and got a latinised word in (vagina) to replace it.
Which is why feminists (Germaine Greer in particular) is/are trying to "reclaim" it.
I've never been punched in the face!
the only time that came close was when I punched a dude in the face and then he held me by the cuff and was like, winding up to punch me
but I was just "welp, gonna get punched." so when I just stood there with a neutral expression and he had hesitated it just got awkward
oh wait
oh here it is.
This is so true.
It's like when you're trying to figure out if the hobo you're talking to is a fellow member of the thieves guild. You start dropping hints like "damn, these lockpicks I am holdling are of the most excellent quality" or "can you believe that it is exactly 37 paces from the front to the back of the palace" or "I cannot believe the guard patrol routes around that bank are shut down for a full 15 minutes during the sundown shift change" before you whip out your Thieves Guild un-business card and show it to the guy.
Because you can get in some right trouble if you don't feel that shit out first. The other guy be like "what mothafucka I'm a cop" and you be like "oh shit I shouldn't have given you my card" and he be like "what? I bet you a racist too eh mothafucka?" and
maybe I should stop watching The Wire and playing Quest For Glory at the same time.
yep
that's incredible to me
*As long as it is comedy and is not veering off into a clearly-off-the-cuff rant
It started with "Close your eyes" so maybe that was my first mistake.
Soon you'll be together at a war enactment and he'll be all "Heil Hitler!" and doing his salutes and soon you'll realise that it's not jokes, but it'll be too late. Later your housemate will have sex with an improbably attractive woman, and you'll get engaged to the woman you lusted after since it all began but slowly realise that you don't love her as the wedding draws closer.
clearly-off-the-cunt rant