The first game I did ok in the jungle and was able to help bot keep the ganks going and I got to the point where I could do a boat load of damage and not die. The QSS was because I was the second one in after ali who would ult, I'd drop my ult and orange the ww ult then qss the malz ult it was glorious. I would then proceed to start dropping mad crits. They are links because they are big pictures cause I didnt resize
The second picture which was yesterday I was bot lane with trist against wukong/ashe. My plan was to take very little cs and just harrass while trust farmed. Bought the wriggles to heal/better trade with ashe and we just had enough damage to walk up and kill ashe it was awesome.
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Zen VulgarityWhat a lovely day for teaSecret British ThreadRegistered Userregular
I really like spellvamp on like
Morde and Vlad and that's about it
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Runes that is
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I'm thinking I might pick them up and try them on Kennen. Currently running MS, and though I like the extra speed, it's not like he ~really~ needs it.
Shut up Francis. Something about Vietnam. Horseshit.
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Zen VulgarityWhat a lovely day for teaSecret British ThreadRegistered Userregular
I don't even own spellvamp, only lifesteal
Lifesteal quints on ad junglers is pretty great. You can start with a wriggles and have full health on a jungle clear with any AD champion
Lifesteal early + a doran's blade is fantastic early in a bot lane if you have leona or someone without a heal as your support (both things gary has said)
You need champions that do a LOT of damage without items on auto attacks for the lifesteal to be truly worthwhile in lane. On Tryndamere it is absolutely disgusting. Every crit, if you start vamp scepter, heals you for 30 to 40 hitpoints.
Characters who reset their auto-attacks also really get a great benefit from them, such as Trundle, Jax, etc. Wukong with an auto/q/auto will heal himself for quite a fair bit of life.
Health regen is better on far more champs, so I'd only use lifesteal situationally (top players are kind of mixed on it being really bad or not)
Lifesteal quints on ad junglers is pretty great. You can start with a wriggles and have full health on a jungle clear with any AD champion
Lifesteal early + a doran's blade is fantastic early in a bot lane if you have leona or someone without a heal as your support (both things gary has said)
You need champions that do a LOT of damage without items on auto attacks for the lifesteal to be truly worthwhile in lane. On Tryndamere it is absolutely disgusting. Every crit, if you start vamp scepter, heals you for 30 to 40 hitpoints.
Characters who reset their auto-attacks also really get a great benefit from them, such as Trundle, Jax, etc. Wukong with an auto/q/auto will heal himself for quite a fair bit of life.
Health regen is better on far more champs, so I'd only use lifesteal situationally (top players are kind of mixed on it being really bad or not)
well it definitely scales into late game better than health regen, so if they're torn on whether it's worth it it's probably really really good!
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They're deffo better late game
Just some characters who are using it early on in laning might not get a whole lot of benefit from them
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I have the (now very, very outdated) player list saved, incase this thread gets locked before someone gets a chance to grab it. If anyone needs it, just let me know/I might remake if I notice. Promise I'll keep it up to date!
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there are no minions in team fights. unless they have yorick
which brings me to the other, more important point
ashe gets melted in teamfights without an extremely powerful CC team, and she has no escape mechanism at all
Besides ghost, flash, and up to 40% AOE slow down.
summoner spells do not count they have a gigantic cooldown and every character has them
so she has an aoe (and single target) slow, which requires her to stop running and turn around. and then she gets jumped on and dies because she's ashe
also using your ult pointblank to counteract bad positioning (*) (*) (*)
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edited December 2011
It's funny, they haven't changed anything with her, but back when I started playing (and I'm not talking about the people ~I~ was playing with, I mean in the tournaments) she was in practically every game.
Yeah yeah, I know WHY it happens, as new champions are released, stuff gets buffed/nerfed, what's good against what changes and champs become more powerful as the metagame shifts, like what (nothing) happened to Sion, and now eveypryone loves him. I just think it's interesting.
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I wish they would do something more for mf, everytime i see her shes bad. I know shes a counter pick for healing champs or whatever but man so many other range ad are better choices.
I just wish her passive would not get knocked out by a stray caster minion shot. Also siege minions sometimes shoot you if you get too close to them :S
there are no minions in team fights. unless they have yorick
which brings me to the other, more important point
ashe gets melted in teamfights without an extremely powerful CC team, and she has no escape mechanism at all
Besides ghost, flash, and up to 40% AOE slow down.
summoner spells do not count they have a gigantic cooldown and every character has them
so she has an aoe (and single target) slow, which requires her to stop running and turn around. and then she gets jumped on and dies because she's ashe
also using your ult pointblank to counteract bad positioning
It takes less than half a second to fire. Smartcast backward or wherever and just keep running. With ghost and flash you're more than likely to have at least one of them up because you shouldn't have to use both of them. If you do have to use both you'll probably live for another fight.
Ashe is incredibly difficult to catch once ghost is running.
The spell will cast on whatever you are hovering over with the mouse. Instead of giving you the option to click something. Brands sear for example would shoot towards your mouse pointer while his AoE explosion would be centered at the mouse point and immolation would target what was underneath the mouse pointer.
By default its bound to shift+Q and the others respectivly. I usually just default bind it to q because it allows you to cast much quicker in my opinion. I also make some smart cast mistakes when im not paying attention. Why yes I did mean to shield that minion.
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edited December 2011
but all the other AD carries can do that, have built in escapes, and CC that isn't your ultimate you should be saving to use correctly
and they do more damage
not that she's bad, but a lot of the goodness is concentrated in that ult
but all the other AD carries can do that, have built in escapes, and CC that isn't your ultimate you should be saving to use correctly
and they do more damage
not that she's bad, but a lot of the goodness is concentrated in that ult
my opinion is that that ult is actually so good that it balances out in her favor
Frost shot is criminally underrated : ( So is volley Ashe owns : (
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Smart casting takes some getting use to, but once you do, it's so much better. If you want to learn, play Ryze, I can't see not playing him without it, and it's so much smoother.
There's also an option under game.cfg (buried quite deep in the install folder, if anyone is interested I'll get the exact path) that they added a few patches ago, fizz's I think, for SmartCastOnKeyUp. Which is smart casting, but if you hold down they button, it shows spell range/skillshot line, etc. Unfortunately, there's a reason why it's buried in a text file you have to manually edit and not somewhere in the option menu.
It's pretty buggy right now, it adds a pause to everything you do, so if you're used to smartcasting, it kind of screws you up. Not really sure how they're gonna fix it, unless they change how smart casting works, so that you can press and hold without a target under the cursor for range, and regular smart casting if there is one under the cursor.
Until then, I'm sticking to smartcast qwer, regular cast asdf, and self+smartcast summoners on t+g. The regular cast spells are useful for waiting to ambush people with skillshots and Anivia does more harm then good when she smartcasts, but I'd like to free up the row for stop/hold, etc.
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but all the other AD carries can do that, have built in escapes, and CC that isn't your ultimate you should be saving to use correctly
and they do more damage
not that she's bad, but a lot of the goodness is concentrated in that ult
my opinion is that that ult is actually so good that it balances out in her favor
yeah, i agree with this actually
just didn't phrase it right
imo they should change her ult to something completely different and replace hawkshot with mirana's arrow
because i love that skill
The only thing I'd like on Ashe is a range indicator for her arrow's stun length. I wanna land that sweet sweet 3 second stun and be ready to hop in there.
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The first game I did ok in the jungle and was able to help bot keep the ganks going and I got to the point where I could do a boat load of damage and not die. The QSS was because I was the second one in after ali who would ult, I'd drop my ult and orange the ww ult then qss the malz ult it was glorious. I would then proceed to start dropping mad crits. They are links because they are big pictures cause I didnt resize
The second picture which was yesterday I was bot lane with trist against wukong/ashe. My plan was to take very little cs and just harrass while trust farmed. Bought the wriggles to heal/better trade with ashe and we just had enough damage to walk up and kill ashe it was awesome.
gangplank is my bro
anyone up for some scuffles?
Morde and Vlad and that's about it
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Lifesteal quints on ad junglers is pretty great. You can start with a wriggles and have full health on a jungle clear with any AD champion
Lifesteal early + a doran's blade is fantastic early in a bot lane if you have leona or someone without a heal as your support (both things gary has said)
You need champions that do a LOT of damage without items on auto attacks for the lifesteal to be truly worthwhile in lane. On Tryndamere it is absolutely disgusting. Every crit, if you start vamp scepter, heals you for 30 to 40 hitpoints.
Characters who reset their auto-attacks also really get a great benefit from them, such as Trundle, Jax, etc. Wukong with an auto/q/auto will heal himself for quite a fair bit of life.
Health regen is better on far more champs, so I'd only use lifesteal situationally (top players are kind of mixed on it being really bad or not)
well it definitely scales into late game better than health regen, so if they're torn on whether it's worth it it's probably really really good!
Just some characters who are using it early on in laning might not get a whole lot of benefit from them
it all started when i got two feeding teammates in a row, the insisted on going bot as jarvan/xin and both built mejais and a sheen with nothing else
and ever since then there has been one person who has gone way negative, like double digits negative, before the 30 minute mark
it is goddamn infuriating
i'm at 1000 ish right now, and i was at 1300 a bit ago, fuckkkkkkkk
jarvan xin with mejais
i want to meet people like this
i want to get in their head for a day and just see what it is like
it must be fucking surreal
did you buy a mejai's on jarvan earlier...
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so she has an aoe (and single target) slow, which requires her to stop running and turn around. and then she gets jumped on and dies because she's ashe
also using your ult pointblank to counteract bad positioning (*) (*) (*)
Yeah yeah, I know WHY it happens, as new champions are released, stuff gets buffed/nerfed, what's good against what changes and champs become more powerful as the metagame shifts, like what (nothing) happened to Sion, and now eveypryone loves him. I just think it's interesting.
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Ashe is incredibly difficult to catch once ghost is running.
By default its bound to shift+Q and the others respectivly. I usually just default bind it to q because it allows you to cast much quicker in my opinion. I also make some smart cast mistakes when im not paying attention. Why yes I did mean to shield that minion.
and they do more damage
not that she's bad, but a lot of the goodness is concentrated in that ult
my opinion is that that ult is actually so good that it balances out in her favor
There's also an option under game.cfg (buried quite deep in the install folder, if anyone is interested I'll get the exact path) that they added a few patches ago, fizz's I think, for SmartCastOnKeyUp. Which is smart casting, but if you hold down they button, it shows spell range/skillshot line, etc. Unfortunately, there's a reason why it's buried in a text file you have to manually edit and not somewhere in the option menu.
It's pretty buggy right now, it adds a pause to everything you do, so if you're used to smartcasting, it kind of screws you up. Not really sure how they're gonna fix it, unless they change how smart casting works, so that you can press and hold without a target under the cursor for range, and regular smart casting if there is one under the cursor.
Until then, I'm sticking to smartcast qwer, regular cast asdf, and self+smartcast summoners on t+g. The regular cast spells are useful for waiting to ambush people with skillshots and Anivia does more harm then good when she smartcasts, but I'd like to free up the row for stop/hold, etc.
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just didn't phrase it right
imo they should change her ult to something completely different and replace hawkshot with mirana's arrow
because i love that skill
and well that corki that nunu
was still fun to play make bank
Not as much as free Ahri week's going to be though, I was (and still am!) terrible with her for the first few games, against bots.
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Also, I didn't want to reuse the chat joke.