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[Airbender] The legend of Korra: I am the solution.

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  • NeadenNeaden Registered User regular
    Random thing that bugged me about the series: Where did new airbenders come from? I mean, they are all monks and nuns right? Where does the next generation come from?

  • MrDapperMrDapper We're here. RUNRegistered User regular
    I believe only the higher ups, the rest are simply nomads. I mean Aang had kids and he was brought up as airbender.

  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    Neaden wrote:
    Random thing that bugged me about the series: Where did new airbenders come from? I mean, they are all monks and nuns right? Where does the next generation come from?

    There's two possibilities as I see it.

    1. I think it's said by the creators that the Air Nomads aren't celibate. They don't participate heavily in the raising of their own children, clearly, but they do produce them.

    2. An alternate hypothesis is that Air Nomads are basically recruited. Fellow Air Nomads who traveled the world found children capable of airbending and adopted them for the sake of teaching them to harness their gift. This would also match how, apparently, all Air Nomads are Airbenders.

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  • NeadenNeaden Registered User regular
    Terrendos wrote: »
    Neaden wrote:
    Random thing that bugged me about the series: Where did new airbenders come from? I mean, they are all monks and nuns right? Where does the next generation come from?

    There's two possibilities as I see it.

    1. I think it's said by the creators that the Air Nomads aren't celibate. They don't participate heavily in the raising of their own children, clearly, but they do produce them.

    2. An alternate hypothesis is that Air Nomads are basically recruited. Fellow Air Nomads who traveled the world found children capable of airbending and adopted them for the sake of teaching them to harness their gift. This would also match how, apparently, all Air Nomads are Airbenders.
    The problem with 1 for me is that Aangs parents are never even mentioned at all, which indicates to me that it was expected that he wouldn't know them. There were no women shown at the temple with the kids either. 2 doesn't work because it doesn't explain at how Sozin wiped out all the airbenders if they randomly were born into say Earth Kingdom citizens.

  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    Neaden wrote:
    Terrendos wrote: »
    Neaden wrote:
    Random thing that bugged me about the series: Where did new airbenders come from? I mean, they are all monks and nuns right? Where does the next generation come from?

    There's two possibilities as I see it.

    1. I think it's said by the creators that the Air Nomads aren't celibate. They don't participate heavily in the raising of their own children, clearly, but they do produce them.

    2. An alternate hypothesis is that Air Nomads are basically recruited. Fellow Air Nomads who traveled the world found children capable of airbending and adopted them for the sake of teaching them to harness their gift. This would also match how, apparently, all Air Nomads are Airbenders.
    The problem with 1 for me is that Aangs parents are never even mentioned at all, which indicates to me that it was expected that he wouldn't know them. There were no women shown at the temple with the kids either. 2 doesn't work because it doesn't explain at how Sozin wiped out all the airbenders if they randomly were born into say Earth Kingdom citizens.

    Air Nomad temples are segregated along gender lines, which is why there's no ladies at the Southern Air Temple. As to the second, it's possible that, without anyone to teach airbending, the style essentially would need to be rediscovered by studying the Sky Bison, which were also wiped out. This also explains how there are more Airbenders that didn't descend from Aang in the new series. Bending isn't a dominant/recessive gene or anything.

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  • NeadenNeaden Registered User regular
    Terrendos wrote: »
    Neaden wrote:
    Terrendos wrote: »
    Neaden wrote:
    Random thing that bugged me about the series: Where did new airbenders come from? I mean, they are all monks and nuns right? Where does the next generation come from?

    There's two possibilities as I see it.

    1. I think it's said by the creators that the Air Nomads aren't celibate. They don't participate heavily in the raising of their own children, clearly, but they do produce them.

    2. An alternate hypothesis is that Air Nomads are basically recruited. Fellow Air Nomads who traveled the world found children capable of airbending and adopted them for the sake of teaching them to harness their gift. This would also match how, apparently, all Air Nomads are Airbenders.
    The problem with 1 for me is that Aangs parents are never even mentioned at all, which indicates to me that it was expected that he wouldn't know them. There were no women shown at the temple with the kids either. 2 doesn't work because it doesn't explain at how Sozin wiped out all the airbenders if they randomly were born into say Earth Kingdom citizens.

    Air Nomad temples are segregated along gender lines, which is why there's no ladies at the Southern Air Temple. As to the second, it's possible that, without anyone to teach airbending, the style essentially would need to be rediscovered by studying the Sky Bison, which were also wiped out. This also explains how there are more Airbenders that didn't descend from Aang in the new series. Bending isn't a dominant/recessive gene or anything.
    Wait I thought it was which was why Benders are born to the separate tribes. I admit I am over thinking this though.

  • AurichAurich Registered User regular
    I'm almost certain that even if it isn't literally genetic, benders are born from their tribes. That's why their whole world is divided like that.

  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Monks(both the girls and guys would be Monks) don't necessarily have to be celibate. As for never mentioning the father and Mother like everybody has said the tribes are gender segregated. North and South are Male and West and East are Female(I think). So the mother would never be mentioned. As for the father it would be my guess from the glimpses we get of the the tribes that they do not operate on anything close to the normal family structure. They most likely don't have specific parents with the whole tribe acting as one big family. Monk Gyatso and Aangs grew close and formed a psudo-Father-son bond which I bet isn't at all rare amongst the Air Tribes.

    So I dug the the Promise but felt the fight in the middle was a little forced.

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  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose Registered User regular
    Yeah, the air bender society only breaks if you try to force it through the 'nuclear family' and 'celibate monk' filters, neither of which necessarily apply; after all, celibate priesthoods are normally reserved to doomsday cults and the nuclear family is a very modern invention.
    Plus it's entirely possible that Aang, being recognised as the Avatar when very young, was treated differently, skewing what was shown.

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    New trailer!

    http://tv.ign.com/articles/121/1219419p1.html

    It does look like Korra will be debuting soon as they're gearing up with the advertising.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus ha ha just kidding I'm Frog ManRegistered User regular
    oh man new stuff!

    Avatar press conference! Earthbending a car! Tenzin speaks!

    AAAH WHY CAN'T I WATCH IT NOW

  • NeadenNeaden Registered User regular
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    Yeah, the air bender society only breaks if you try to force it through the 'nuclear family' and 'celibate monk' filters, neither of which necessarily apply; after all, celibate priesthoods are normally reserved to doomsday cults and the nuclear family is a very modern invention.
    Plus it's entirely possible that Aang, being recognised as the Avatar when very young, was treated differently, skewing what was shown.
    Well it also breaks because they are monks, so how are they getting their money and food and what happens to the non benders, but I'll let it slide since the show is really good.

  • MushroomStickMushroomStick Registered User regular
    Neaden wrote: »
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    Yeah, the air bender society only breaks if you try to force it through the 'nuclear family' and 'celibate monk' filters, neither of which necessarily apply; after all, celibate priesthoods are normally reserved to doomsday cults and the nuclear family is a very modern invention.
    Plus it's entirely possible that Aang, being recognised as the Avatar when very young, was treated differently, skewing what was shown.
    Well it also breaks because they are monks, so how are they getting their money and food and what happens to the non benders, but I'll let it slide since the show is really good.

    100% of air nomads are benders. As for the money and food, I dunno - how do real monks take care of that stuff?

  • Z0reZ0re Registered User regular
    Neaden wrote: »
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    Yeah, the air bender society only breaks if you try to force it through the 'nuclear family' and 'celibate monk' filters, neither of which necessarily apply; after all, celibate priesthoods are normally reserved to doomsday cults and the nuclear family is a very modern invention.
    Plus it's entirely possible that Aang, being recognised as the Avatar when very young, was treated differently, skewing what was shown.
    Well it also breaks because they are monks, so how are they getting their money and food and what happens to the non benders, but I'll let it slide since the show is really good.

    100% of air nomads are benders. As for the money and food, I dunno - how do real monks take care of that stuff?

    I assume the Air Nomads grow their own food and don't use money.

    The Water Tribes don't seem to use money either, only the Earth and Fire Nations seem to have economic systems advanced enough to support anything beyond barter.

  • NeadenNeaden Registered User regular
    Z0re wrote: »
    Neaden wrote: »
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    Yeah, the air bender society only breaks if you try to force it through the 'nuclear family' and 'celibate monk' filters, neither of which necessarily apply; after all, celibate priesthoods are normally reserved to doomsday cults and the nuclear family is a very modern invention.
    Plus it's entirely possible that Aang, being recognised as the Avatar when very young, was treated differently, skewing what was shown.
    Well it also breaks because they are monks, so how are they getting their money and food and what happens to the non benders, but I'll let it slide since the show is really good.

    100% of air nomads are benders. As for the money and food, I dunno - how do real monks take care of that stuff?

    I assume the Air Nomads grow their own food and don't use money.

    The Water Tribes don't seem to use money either, only the Earth and Fire Nations seem to have economic systems advanced enough to support anything beyond barter.
    Hm? The characters specifically have watertribe money in one of the episodes, so the Northern tribe has money at least. The Southern tribe as we see it is pretty much a post apocalyptic society so we don't know what they would have had before.

  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    Air Nomads are raised by their elders at the temples. Every Monk we see is an old person, which probably means they are air nomads grandparents and the like.

    The Kids are raise at the temples because bending requires training no matter what level of talent(its the centerpiece of the show) and the lifespan of a air nomad child that can't bend yet is very low.

    It would make sense for the kids to be raise by their elders/grandparents while the parents are out in the world (earning a living?) or finding food. Its how nomad societies work in the real world after all. Using temples reflects the spiritual nature of bending and the fact that every air nomad needs to learn it in order to become part of the tribe.

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    I seem to remember Mike and Bryan saying something like "We never came up with a true set of rules for bending and who can become a bender because we know the immense bullshit of what Lucas did to the Force in Star Wars". That last part might not be entirely acurate however.

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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Neaden wrote: »
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    Yeah, the air bender society only breaks if you try to force it through the 'nuclear family' and 'celibate monk' filters, neither of which necessarily apply; after all, celibate priesthoods are normally reserved to doomsday cults and the nuclear family is a very modern invention.
    Plus it's entirely possible that Aang, being recognised as the Avatar when very young, was treated differently, skewing what was shown.
    Well it also breaks because they are monks, so how are they getting their money and food and what happens to the non benders, but I'll let it slide since the show is really good.

    No it doesn't because neither is an issue. Food is easily grown and sustainable. Money is only necessarily if you want something from someone else. Presumably the Air Temple makes sure everybody gets what they need and our brief glimpses of the Air Temple seem to show is that they are very minimalist.

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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    I seem to remember Mike and Bryan saying something like "We never came up with a true set of rules for bending and who can become a bender because we know the immense bullshit of what Lucas did to the Force in Star Wars". That last part might not be entirely acurate however.

    Well, we do know that at least a part of bending is the culture.

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  • MrDapperMrDapper We're here. RUNRegistered User regular
    So Nick put up some bios of the characters in the show, nothing really new except we have a first name for Cheif BeiFong.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus ha ha just kidding I'm Frog ManRegistered User regular
    "determined to push bring the Avatar"

  • MrDapperMrDapper We're here. RUNRegistered User regular
    "determined to push bring the Avatar"

    That isn't the worst Avatar bio mistake they made, for a couple of moths they had a picture of play Iroh for Iroh's bio.

    Also amazing background from Korra Nation.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus ha ha just kidding I'm Frog ManRegistered User regular
    Why, that's almost large enough to make my desktop background!

  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    Jeez, it still looks so weird to go from medieval China to 1920's New York in only 80 years.

    Though somebody did point out it's not that far a leap if you compare 1920 to 1840. Still blows my fragile little mind though.

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  • NeadenNeaden Registered User regular
    Jeez, it still looks so weird to go from medieval China to 1920's New York in only 80 years.

    Though somebody did point out it's not that far a leap if you compare 1920 to 1840. Still blows my fragile little mind though.
    It's easy to forget how bizarre the past 200 or so years have been and how much has changed. I mean, consider that it took 58 years to go from the first plane flight to the first man in space.

  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Jeez, it still looks so weird to go from medieval China to 1920's New York in only 80 years.

    Though somebody did point out it's not that far a leap if you compare 1920 to 1840. Still blows my fragile little mind though.

    Yeah I put up pictures of Hong Kong from both periods. It fits fairly well, we're just not really used to seeing the massive change brought by the industrial revolution.

    Edit: And yeah as mentioned above being a monk does not require celibacy. It's entirely up to the belief system.

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  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    Jeez, it still looks so weird to go from medieval China to 1920's New York in only 80 years.

    Though somebody did point out it's not that far a leap if you compare 1920 to 1840. Still blows my fragile little mind though.

    More importantly, it's a comparison of 1920 to 1840 when 1840 has tanks, blimps, jetskis, trains, and giant drill machines.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus ha ha just kidding I'm Frog ManRegistered User regular
    let's say more like 1860 to 1940 then

    because 1860 had

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  • MrDapperMrDapper We're here. RUNRegistered User regular
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    An early sketch design for Asami Sato - a young non-bender and daughter to a wealthy industrialist.

  • MetroidZoidMetroidZoid Registered User regular
    Wealthy industrialist ... Cabbages?

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  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose Registered User regular
    That looks like an old leather flight helmet w/goggles in her hand in the top-middle sketch. Could be descended from the guy that took over the air temple I guess?

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  • MrDapperMrDapper We're here. RUNRegistered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Not Korra, but this ad is amazing.

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  • Knight_Knight_ Registered User regular
    MrDapper wrote: »
    Not Korra, but this ad is amazing.


    Man, I was already trying not to watch Avatar again. This doesn't help at all.

    brb Netflix.

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  • MrDapperMrDapper We're here. RUNRegistered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Concept art of Aang's statue.

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    Also new profile pics of Bolin, Mako and Tenzin that I think are a lot better.

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    I might have to cosplay Bolin in the near future.

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    edited March 2012
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  • TofystedethTofystedeth veni, veneri, vamoosi Registered User regular
    Terrendos wrote: »
    Jeez, it still looks so weird to go from medieval China to 1920's New York in only 80 years.

    Though somebody did point out it's not that far a leap if you compare 1920 to 1840. Still blows my fragile little mind though.

    More importantly, it's a comparison of 1920 to 1840 when 1840 has tanks, blimps, jetskis, trains, and giant drill machines.
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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Wealthy industrialist ... Cabbages?

    Uh that would be Agriculturist.

    Also New non bender girl is gonna launch a thousand shippers.

  • LanlaornLanlaorn Registered User regular
    Terrendos wrote: »
    Jeez, it still looks so weird to go from medieval China to 1920's New York in only 80 years.

    Though somebody did point out it's not that far a leap if you compare 1920 to 1840. Still blows my fragile little mind though.

    More importantly, it's a comparison of 1920 to 1840 when 1840 has tanks, blimps, jetskis, trains, and giant drill machines.
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    Yea but magical fire, replace it with regular fire and it works for everyone. I absolutely adore that it's the fire nation that figures out the steam engine, etc. and rapidly industrializes because it makes so much sense for them. Earth and Water just live in stone and ice environments and rely on their telekinesis magic to make everything work, Fire had this step where they're like "Ok I have magical energy, how can I get work from it?" and bam, thermodynamics!

    For non-benders of the A:TLA world, the Fire Nation's conquests were probably the best thing that could happen to them, in terms of advancing them out of medieval poverty.

  • NeadenNeaden Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Sozin wrote: »
    For non-benders of the A:TLA world, the Fire Nation's conquests were probably the best thing that could happen to them, in terms of advancing them out of medieval poverty.
    Fixed.

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  • LanlaornLanlaorn Registered User regular
    Yea ok, but outside of Water and Earth cities, where there is a high enough concentration of benders to support the pseudo-technology, they do live in villages that are clusters of huts.

    While I think the Fire Nation would have been better off just using their massive industrial edge to dominate economically and then culturally, Sozen choosing the conquest victory condition doesn't change that fact that living in 1920's New York is better than living in medieval Asia.

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