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[FILM] School Generation

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  • Linespider5Linespider5 I told her on Alderaan nothing else was going on.Registered User regular
    *blinks*
    Spoiler:

    Uh the director himself has said that Drive was sorta his take on the superhero genre.

    Well, that's fine I guess, but I don't think he's right about it. I understand that might be his intent, but...no.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    It felt like a version of a superhero story to me when I watched it. Guy has a secret identity, helps people with almost superhuman skill, mentor character, strict moral code - shit, he even had a costume/emblem.

  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    A pretty big theme in the movie is the incongruity of "heroes" in media and reality.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    *blinks*
    Spoiler:

    Uh the director himself has said that Drive was sorta his take on the superhero genre.

    Haven't seen Drive yet but from what I've gathered it's closer an action movie or noir then a super-hero film. Then again, this is the guy who is obsessed with casting Christina Hendricks for Wonder Woman on nothing more than she's Christina Hendricks.

  • TexiKenTexiKen unable to feel my retinal assessment Registered User regular
    And a real hero

    real human being

    *synthesizer*

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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    *blinks*
    Spoiler:

    Uh the director himself has said that Drive was sorta his take on the superhero genre.

    Haven't seen Drive yet but from what I've gathered it's closer an action movie or noir then a super-hero film. Then again, this is the guy who is obsessed with casting Christina Hendricks for Wonder Woman on nothing more than she's Christina Hendricks.

    There is frankly a lot of stuff in there. I would object to naming it any of those things.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    Captain America was totally decent, but flubbed the character arc by finishing it way too soon. Spoiler'd for that:
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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    Captain America was totally decent, but flubbed the character arc by finishing it way too soon. Spoiler'd for that:
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    While I disagree with the overall statement of quality(and especially putting FC above it. Its a fine picture but just as flawed) that is a problem with the movie. I would have dug an extra half hour of movie to increase the personal rivalry between Steve and the Skull.

    On the other hand the most likely plot lines would have been "Steve becomes arrogant and an asshole after getting his powers, learns humility" or "Steve's friend becomes jealousy of Steves success: which would be terrible.

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  • Linespider5Linespider5 I told her on Alderaan nothing else was going on.Registered User regular
    Yeah, Captain America and the Red Skull didn't really get a chance to develop their enmity towards one another. They really deserved to clash a few times without either being able to declare a satisfying victory over the other, so they can become more and more irritated by eachother and how their separate motivations keep throwing them in eachothers' way.

    Up until the end on the plane, Red Skull was almost more, "Hello Captain, I'm awesome and you're not and I have better things to do right now excuse me."

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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Yeah, Captain America and the Red Skull didn't really get a chance to develop their enmity towards one another. They really deserved to clash a few times without either being able to declare a satisfying victory over the other, so they can become more and more irritated by eachother and how their separate motivations keep throwing them in eachothers' way.

    Up until the end on the plane, Red Skull was almost more, "Hello Captain, I'm awesome and you're not and I have better things to do right now excuse me."

    Well The Skull had that whole "How stupid you wear a flag the two of use has outgrown" thing. It was cool but came out of no where.

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  • HeisenbergHeisenberg Registered User regular
    Captain America bored the hell out of me. The lack of any rivalry whatsoever between Cap and Red Skull was lame.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    Captain America was totally decent, but flubbed the character arc by finishing it way too soon. Spoiler'd for that:
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    While I disagree with the overall statement of quality(and especially putting FC above it. Its a fine picture but just as flawed) that is a problem with the movie. I would have dug an extra half hour of movie to increase the personal rivalry between Steve and the Skull.

    On the other hand the most likely plot lines would have been "Steve becomes arrogant and an asshole after getting his powers, learns humility" or "Steve's friend becomes jealousy of Steves success: which would be terrible.

    I agree. A longer rivalry between Red Skull and Cap is a good idea. That said, I don't think it hurts the film too much without it.

    They were coming close to treading on Bucky getting jealous with Cap when Peggy ignored him IMO. I'm glad they dropped that and power corrupting him, too.

  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    Captain America was totally decent, but flubbed the character arc by finishing it way too soon. Spoiler'd for that:
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    While I disagree with the overall statement of quality(and especially putting FC above it. Its a fine picture but just as flawed) that is a problem with the movie. I would have dug an extra half hour of movie to increase the personal rivalry between Steve and the Skull.

    On the other hand the most likely plot lines would have been "Steve becomes arrogant and an asshole after getting his powers, learns humility" or "Steve's friend becomes jealousy of Steves success: which would be terrible.

    I agree. A longer rivalry between Red Skull and Cap is a good idea. That said, I don't think it hurts the film too much without it.

    They were coming close to treading on Bucky getting jealous with Cap when Peggy ignored him IMO. I'm glad they dropped that and power corrupting him, too.

    Actually I really liked that moment because Bucky ends up backing him completely. He's no longer the top dog in there relationship but Steve is his friend so he's happy for him. Steve ability doesn't diminish him.

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  • AstaerethAstaereth Registered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    Captain America was totally decent, but flubbed the character arc by finishing it way too soon. Spoiler'd for that:
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Dear MPAA: Would you kindly go fuck yourselves:
    http://www.salon.com/2012/02/29/the_mpaas_bully_outrage/

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  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    Dear MPAA: Would you kindly go fuck yourselves:
    http://www.salon.com/2012/02/29/the_mpaas_bully_outrage/

    yeah the "one fuck" rule is just getting more ridiculous every day.

  • RocketSauceRocketSauce Registered User regular
    Heisenberg wrote: »
    Captain America bored the hell out of me. The lack of any rivalry whatsoever between Cap and Red Skull was lame.

    I didn't like that the movie just kind of assumes you will like CA just because he was a little weenie with a heart of gold. We all knew he was going to get steroids and get huge, and that's really what everyone was waiting for. It would be interesting to see what a more unconventional (though it's the norm now) narrative would've looked like, where we got to see things through flashback. Not saying it's better, but it could be.

    I'm also genuinely surprised that people in this thread know the names of the other characters in this movie. Were they in the comics or something?

  • RhalloTonnyRhalloTonny Of the BrownlandsRegistered User regular
    Opinions follow, etc,

    I thought Captain America was absolutely dreadful, far worse than Thor. Cap had

    Period drama gone wrong,
    Every WW2 cliche unrelentingly shoved in,
    Creepy CG at the beginning, lazy use of CG later (windows, a tank, simple stuff),
    Bad pacing,
    and near the end it looked like all the members of Hydra were playing with GI Joe and Halo weapons.

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  • Linespider5Linespider5 I told her on Alderaan nothing else was going on.Registered User regular
    I do hate the 'secret army that's from fucking nowhere' but it kind of makes sense. Red Skull was all about out-Nazi-ing the Nazis and being the supervillain of the Third Reich. As in, the Third Reich considers him a danger to the public at large. That's my reading of the movie, anyway. He supered up his troops and gave them cooler toys and all that.

    Would've been cooler to see some buildup on Red Skull, but, then again, this is a movie about Captain America.

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  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    I felt the same way about Hydra.

    I would've rather them just be Nazis, honestly.

    Still liked the film though.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    I felt the same way about Hydra.

    I would've rather them just be Nazis, honestly.

    Still liked the film though.

    They originally were Nazis. When Red Skull got the
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    he had enough power and influence to make Hydra independent.

  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    I felt the same way about Hydra.

    I would've rather them just be Nazis, honestly.

    Still liked the film though.

    They originally were Nazis. When Red Skull got the
    Spoiler:
    he had enough power and influence to make Hydra independent.

    True, I think I just would've preferred it to be more concrete or something. I think instead of the montage we should've gotten a couple scenes of Hydra starting to do Hydray things. Or both, cause I liked the montage and the song.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    I felt the same way about Hydra.

    I would've rather them just be Nazis, honestly.

    Still liked the film though.

    They originally were Nazis. When Red Skull got the
    Spoiler:
    he had enough power and influence to make Hydra independent.

    True, I think I just would've preferred it to be more concrete or something. I think instead of the montage we should've gotten a couple scenes of Hydra starting to do Hydray things. Or both, cause I liked the montage and the song.

    That's a good criticism. The movie would have been better had they focussed on the inner workings of Hydra to contrast it with the SSR. Except for Red Skull and Zola Hydra being only faceless, nameless thugs was a misstep IMO.

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  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    Indeed, it made you not care about the movie's EPIC BATTLE until you get to the plane. Which was mentioned up above somewhere.

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  • wanderingwandering Registered User regular
    edited March 2012

    I didn't notice these timejumps at all!

    Edit: The person who uploaded the video points out: "...everything [is] green. The clothes, walls, olive's poop, olive's name." I didn't notice that either!

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited March 2012
    reposting this from the chat thread because I think it's both unfortunate and true:

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    It's taken so long to get John Carter made. I really hope it's an exciting and enjoyable film. But at the same time, I look at how they handled Prince of Persia...

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  • wanderingwandering Registered User regular
    John Carter is basically a Pixar movie so I am excited about it even though the trailers do nothing for me.

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  • GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    Opinions follow, etc,

    I thought Captain America was absolutely dreadful, far worse than Thor. Cap had

    Period drama gone wrong,
    Every WW2 cliche unrelentingly shoved in,
    Creepy CG at the beginning, lazy use of CG later (windows, a tank, simple stuff),
    Bad pacing,
    and near the end it looked like all the members of Hydra were playing with GI Joe and Halo weapons.

    The general consensus on Captain America was that it was great for comic book fans, mediocre/boring for everyone else. Thor got a much better reaction/reception from what I saw and experienced.

    The Internet community represents such a small percentage when it comes to the average moviegoer.

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  • gjaustingjaustin Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote:
    reposting this from the chat thread because I think it's both unfortunate and true:

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    But John Carter ISN'T new. He's based on a book.

    There's a third thing that I've heard a lot of people complain about: Adaptations of existing IP.

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  • StraygatsbyStraygatsby Registered User regular
    ut John Carter ISN'T new. He's based on a book.

    There's a third thing that I've heard a lot of people complain about: Adaptations of existing IP.

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    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    reposting this from the chat thread because I think it's both unfortunate and true:

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    I don't know if I can blame the press that much when its own studio doesn't know what the hell to do with it, but I dig his annoyance.



  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    reposting this from the chat thread because I think it's both unfortunate and true:

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    It's not that simple. Disney has done nothing to set up the brand for the public to latch on to before the film is released. They should have spent years having a tv show based on the books on the air, live action or cartoon, to educate people on its premise and build up its fanbase. They have the resources to do this. It's also an obscure property very few people know or cared about. It doesn't have any A-listers, either.

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  • Linespider5Linespider5 I told her on Alderaan nothing else was going on.Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    reposting this from the chat thread because I think it's both unfortunate and true:

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    It's not that simple. Disney has done nothing to set up the brand for the public to latch on to before the film is released. They should have spent years having a tv show based on the books on the air, live action or cartoon, to educate people on its premise and build up its fanbase. They have the resources to do this. It's also an obscure property very few people know or cared about. It doesn't have any A-listers, either.

    Well, maybe it'll become this beloved thing fifteen years from now and enjoy some kind of renaissance.

    Eh, who am I kidding. Nobody makes discoveries anymore.

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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    reposting this from the chat thread because I think it's both unfortunate and true:

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    It's not that simple. Disney has done nothing to set up the brand for the public to latch on to before the film is released. They should have spent years having a tv show based on the books on the air, live action or cartoon, to educate people on its premise and build up its fanbase. They have the resources to do this. It's also an obscure property very few people know or cared about. It doesn't have any A-listers, either.

    So you can't just release a new property for film?

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  • initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    oh cool, Indiana Jones is finally making it to blu-ray. the collection comes out in the fall.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    The old IP/sequel/remake distinction is a bit weird in this case, since most of the time sequels/remakes/old IP films are made as a safe bet during a weak economy and the studios can rely on a ready-made audience.

    But with John Carter, even though he is pre-existing IP, they aren't treating him like one - not a hint of "Remember John Carter? HE'S BACK! ON THE BIG SCREEN!" Heck they won't even call him "John Carter of Mars" in the title. Essentially they're forfeiting any of the boost they could get from JC being an existing IP, but they're also not giving it the marketing promotion that they would give a fully-fledged original IP.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    reposting this from the chat thread because I think it's both unfortunate and true:

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    It's not that simple. Disney has done nothing to set up the brand for the public to latch on to before the film is released. They should have spent years having a tv show based on the books on the air, live action or cartoon, to educate people on its premise and build up its fanbase. They have the resources to do this. It's also an obscure property very few people know or cared about. It doesn't have any A-listers, either.

    So you can't just release a new property for film?

    You can, but if you're risking a huge budget like they have it's better to lower the chances of it failing in any way they can. Marvel figured this out by having a cartoon released years before the film is released, not just tying it into the other films.

  • TexiKenTexiKen unable to feel my retinal assessment Registered User regular
    oh cool, Indiana Jones is finally making it to blu-ray. the collection comes out in the fall.

    Hopefully not in the same crappy packaging that Back to the Future came in.

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  • gjaustingjaustin Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote:
    The old IP/sequel/remake distinction is a bit weird in this case, since most of the time sequels/remakes/old IP films are made as a safe bet during a weak economy and the studios can rely on a ready-made audience.

    But with John Carter, even though he is pre-existing IP, they aren't treating him like one - not a hint of "Remember John Carter? HE'S BACK! ON THE BIG SCREEN!" Heck they won't even call him "John Carter of Mars" in the title. Essentially they're forfeiting any of the boost they could get from JC being an existing IP, but they're also not giving it the marketing promotion that they would give a fully-fledged original IP.

    It's certainly better than Pirates 8, Still Don't Let Me In, Transformers: Red Side of Mars, or Girl with the Draconic Skin Art. I'm mostly just objecting to him claiming it's something NEW.

    That said, I agree that the way they're marketing it now makes it seems like it's just an Avatar rip-off. If I hadn't previously heard of John Carter of Mars, I'd think that too.

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  • initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    TexiKen wrote: »
    oh cool, Indiana Jones is finally making it to blu-ray. the collection comes out in the fall.

    Hopefully not in the same crappy packaging that Back to the Future came in.

    Ugh, I think I complain about that packaging every chance I get. My packaging design class my junior year went on a trip to target and the professor had us find examples of good packaging and bad packaging. the back to the future box set was the first thing I thought of as bad.

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