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Instant Watch Film Society's Bogus Journey - Week 11: The Red and the White

ThomamelasThomamelas Life doesn't run away from nobody. Life runs at people.Registered User regular
edited May 2012 in Debate and/or Discourse
It's time for the return of the Instant Watch Film Society.

Netflix's Instant Watch offers access to a truly staggering number of films. But this choice can sometimes be overwhelming. There are simply so many films from so many genres and periods that finding the good stuff can be intimidating. The D&D [Instant Watch] Film Society is here to help. This Film Series will be ranging from the low brow comedies to the high brow dramas. We'll be offering a sample of films designed to offer some informed choices about the offerings available on Netflix. Each week a forumer will present a movie for your viewing pleasure. These are films they feel passionate about. Some of these films may be in genres, movements or periods you have decided you don't like. I suggest you try them anyway, there are always gems to be found in any kind of movie style. Here are our presenters and the weeks they will be presenting:

Week 1: Jacobkosh, Chinatown
Week 2: Thomamelas, Shane
Week 3: Bogart, Sonatine
Week 4: Atomic Ross, The Big Lebowski
Week 5: Amateurhour, Ghostbusters
Week 6: Elki Everyone Else
Week 7: Wash Hunger
Week 8: TychoCelchuuu One, Two, Three
Week 9: JoeDizzy Way of the Gun
Week 10: CapFalcon Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon
Week 11: Gim The Trial
Week 12: Premire Kakos The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension

If you'd like your name added to the list, PM me with the film you'd like to present. If you can't manage your write up, then let me know and I'll make sure it gets taken care of. The films will be presented on the Wednesday of each week. If you're curious about what the write ups should look like, let me give some examples from the previous thread:

Midnight Run:
Spoiler:

Spartan:
Spoiler:

Brick
Spoiler:

There is one very important rule: No fucking terrible films. I don't mean films that are so bad they are good. Or bad films that perhaps have cinematic importance. I mean no fucking repeats of The Love Guru, a film with no good qualities at all.

To help with your film searching requirements:

Instant Watcher use Netflix's API to find out what titles have been released.

Instantwatchdb.com/ allows you to do detailed searches of Instant Watch, restricting by time period and movie rating for example.

The films selected in the previous thread:

Week 1: Bogart, Midnight Run
Week 2: Preacher, Spartan
Week 3: Jacobkosh, Blue Velvet
Week 4: Thomamelas, The Searchers
Week 5: Gim, Play Time
Week 6: Ryadic, Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father
Week 7: Xenogears of Bore, The Love Guru
Week 8: Elki, Sans Soleil
Week 9: JamesKeenan, Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance
Week 10: Drez, Show Me Love
Week 11: Fluffy, Our Beloved Flopsy Bunny Friend, Brick
Week 12: Quid, Red Cliff
Week 13: Thanatos, Falling Down

And some films to tide you over:

My Left Foot. Daniel Day Lewis plays Christy Brown who had cerebral palsy and only had control of his left foot.
The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover. Helen Mirrian plays the wife of a mob boss who falls in love with a patron of her husband's restaurant.
The Long Good Friday Bob Hoskins plays a mobster attempting to go legit.
Gentlemen Prefer Blondes
This is Spinal Tap
The Naked Gun

Edit: Bogart and Atomic Ross added.
Edit: Amateurhour added.
Edit: Elki and Wash added.
Edit: TychoCelchuuu and JoeDizzy added.

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  • BobCescaBobCesca Registered User regular
    Ohhh. Shane. Watched that on Thomamelas' suggestion and it is awesome.

    I'd love to do something for this, but I don't know what films are available on Netflix in the US. Is Layer Cake on the Instant Watch? 'cos I love that film (and not just to perve on Daniel Craig).

  • AtomikaAtomika (citation needed)Registered User regular
    I'm down for this.

  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    OP made me check again if Spartan was back on instant watch, because I wanted to see it again.

    It isn't :(.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Life doesn't run away from nobody. Life runs at people.Registered User regular
    BobCesca wrote: »
    Ohhh. Shane. Watched that on Thomamelas' suggestion and it is awesome.

    I'd love to do something for this, but I don't know what films are available on Netflix in the US. Is Layer Cake on the Instant Watch? 'cos I love that film (and not just to perve on Daniel Craig).

    I'm really glad you liked Shane. My write up for it is going to let me finally touch upon discussion of PTSD and the post war western that I've been threatening promising to write for Jacob. And Layer Cake isn't currently available.

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  • BogartBogart Registered User regular
    I wanted to write about Hana Bi, but that isn't on Netflix. Sonatine is almost as good.

  • Linespider5Linespider5 By the Abyss! Registered User regular
    This sounds like a good time.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour Registered User regular
    PM sent

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  • initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    so should we watch the movies before or after each wednesday for optimal effect?

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  • RhalloTonnyRhalloTonny Of the BrownlandsRegistered User regular
    If there's anyone that's on the fence, all the suggestions (5 at the moment) are wonderful/great films that may be impossible to not enjoy.

    !
  • ThomamelasThomamelas Life doesn't run away from nobody. Life runs at people.Registered User regular
    so should we watch the movies before or after each wednesday for optimal effect?

    I recommend doing it after the person has presented their film. Their writing may have interesting insights.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour Registered User regular
    I'm going to write a review of Die Hard that will make you all go to the office Thursday morning, take off your shoes, and climb into an air conditioning maze in an effort to stop terrorism which is really a smokescreen for stealing lots of money.

    Here's what I do...
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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    I'll definitely be participating. Though I've got to think of a good movie... Will have to do some browsing.

  • Joe DizzyJoe Dizzy Registered User regular
    This sounds appealing. I'd love to paticipate with The Great Escape. Although I probably won't have the time until late April.

    ...in accordance to the ancient prophecies.

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  • ElkiElki hegemon globalSuper Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Sweet.

  • y2jake215y2jake215 i hope that it's storm in the morning i hope that it's pouring outRegistered User regular
    edited March 2012
    I really liked Sonatine when I saw it a few years ago, good choice

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  • visiblehowlvisiblehowl Registered User regular
    I'm going to write a review of Die Hard that will make you all go to the office Thursday morning, take off your shoes, and climb into an air conditioning maze in an effort to stop terrorism which is really a smokescreen for stealing lots of money.

    Dude

    ....

    Spoilers!
    Spoiler:

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    I'm going to write a review of Die Hard that will make you all go to the office Thursday morning, take off your shoes, and climb into an air conditioning maze in an effort to stop terrorism which is really a smokescreen for stealing lots of money.

    Dude

    ....

    Spoilers!
    Spoiler:

    You forgot to mention the most important lesson
    Spoiler:

  • wanderingwandering Registered User regular
    I wouldn't plan things out too far in advance (because Netflix Instant is so mercurial.)

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  • visiblehowlvisiblehowl Registered User regular
    Goddammit, I was going to do Aliens, but it's not on Instant Watch anymore.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Life doesn't run away from nobody. Life runs at people.Registered User regular
    The only one at risk of expiring is Die Hard.

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  • WashWash Registered User regular
    Sweet. Glad to see this make a comeback.

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  • visiblehowlvisiblehowl Registered User regular
    Fucking A, Ink isn't on instant watch anymore either!

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  • VariableVariable Detective of Perspective Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    glad to see so many people are interested, great idea Thom

    I gotta make a choice soon, there's so many good movies on netflix. the bastards.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour Registered User regular
    Goddammit, I was going to do Aliens, but it's not on Instant Watch anymore.

    That was my first choice... I noticed it wasn't there so I moved to Die Hard.

    If Die Hard gets removed before week 5, I think I'm going to do Reindeer Games, or Phantoms

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu ___________PIGEON _________San Diego, CA Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    wandering wrote: »
    I wouldn't plan things out too far in advance (because Netflix Instant is so mercurial.)
    http://instantwatcher.com often tells you when things are expiring. For example, although OSS 117: Lost in Rio expires in 8 days, someone could still pick OSS 117: Cairo, Nest of Spies because it'll be around for another 500 days or whatever.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour Registered User regular
    Die Hard does indeed expire April 1, which means it won't be around for week 5, or more realistically it will be around for like two days max and then no one will see it.

    I'd like to officially replace it with either Reindeer Games, or Ghost Dog: Way of the Samurai, I'll let the OP decide

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Life doesn't run away from nobody. Life runs at people.Registered User regular
    Die Hard does indeed expire April 1, which means it won't be around for week 5, or more realistically it will be around for like two days max and then no one will see it.

    I'd like to officially replace it with either Reindeer Games, or Ghost Dog: Way of the Samurai, I'll let the OP decide

    It may be renewed. It has at least once before. So we can hold off on a decision till it gets closer.

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  • ArthilArthil Lord Commander Ursus Maximus Registered User regular
    Why not just bump it up on the list?

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Life doesn't run away from nobody. Life runs at people.Registered User regular
    Arthil wrote: »
    Why not just bump it up on the list?

    Because that clever solution didn't occur to me. Let me work that out.

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  • ElkiElki hegemon globalSuper Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    I love the list, so far.

    4 movies I'd love to rewatch, and 4 that I either wanted to watch or haven't heard of.

  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp! I can show you how to be a real man!Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited March 2012

    The cramped, dirty office, lit by sunlight filtered through Venetian blinds. The cigarette smoke coiling lazily through the blades of a ceiling fan. The rumpled trenchcoat and fedora. The mouthy secretary. The mysterious, classy dame. The gumshoe.

    Even people who've never watched a private eye movie in their life know the drill. After seventy years the little tics and visual shorthands left over from the great heyday of hardboiled detective fiction still saturate our pop culture, surfacing in everything from kids' cartoons to SNL sketches. They've been done, redone, examined, turned over, refuted, parodied, laughed at, revived - the whole long arc that any really good idea takes as it passes through a thousand hands over the years. That's the thing with good ideas; they're perennial. They keep turning up, and they stay fresh.

    So in one sense, you already know Chinatown. But make no mistake - you're in for an experience as fresh, original and bracing as if it had come out yesterday. Chinatown is a movie that's full of good ideas.

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    Jack Nicholson stars as Jake Gittes (pronounced "gittys"), private eye in Depression-era LA. He's a little different from the private eyes you might be used to. He's not a loner; he employs a large staff of competent professionals to handle the drudge work of tails and photographing. He's not a rumpled, heartbroken Bogart character; Gittes keeps a clean, spacious, modern office, dresses to the nines, and moves through his environment with an easy, extroverted confidence. He's a smart, worldly guy who likes what he does for a living and is pretty sure he's got it all figured out.

    Is it a spoiler to say that he doesn't?

    It starts, of course, with the dame. A woman calling herself Evelyn Mulwray comes into Gittes' office to hire him to tail her husband Hollis and find proof of his infidelity. Gittes, an old hand at these things, tries several times to turn her away. "Let sleeping dogs lie," he advises. He really seems to believe that it's better that way. Of course, when she pulls out the giant checkbook...

    The husband will not strike you as the unfaithful type. He's a much older man, tall and gangly, and seems to lead an incredibly boring life. He gives a lecture at City Hall about the dangers of a new proposed dam - it seems Hollis is the county water commissioner - and then spends the night visiting drainage ditches and dry riverbeds all over town before going to bed in his home at a respectable hour.

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    Jake is good at his job, though, and..."determined" isn't the right word. It's more businesslike than that. Let's say "persistent." After some clever tricks with a stopwatch and the judicious use of a telephoto lens, Jake does catch the husband with a young woman. The photos create a scandal; the man's name is dragged through the mud, while Jake Gittes gleefully passes his business cards to the press.

    And then a woman, a complete stranger, turns up at Jake's office, demanding to know who hired him to follow her poor husband.

    Whoops.

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    That's where Chinatown really kicks off, and the less said about the twisty, complicated plot that ensues, the better. It's a really good plot, a pleasure to follow, with clues that lead seamlessly into a complicated web of corruption and, ultimately, the blackest human evil. As a mystery, Chinatown is almost unparalleled in the craftsmanship of its construction. Raymond Chandler used to joke that whenever he was stuck on a difficult chapter, or had trouble getting his hero to the next stage of the story, he'd have a couple tough guys kick down the door and start shooting. As you watch, notice how rarely that happens in Chinatown. Jake Gittes may not be as noble or incorruptible as the classic private eyes - although he's more noble and incorruptible than he looks - but he's every bit as competent if not more so. He's in every scene of the movie, and the story always moves ahead because of his tenacity and facility at unraveling the maze that's been set before him.

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    That's why it's all the more distressing that, good as he is, Jake may be up against a problem that even he can't solve. The movie's title is a reference to something the screenwriter, Robert Towne, was told by a former LAPD officer; back in the old days, unsure of how best to deal with the complexities of Chinatown, the police opted to do "as little as possible." It's a sad lesson in pragmatic cynicism that Jake Gittes has learned before, and will learn again in the movie's legendary, eminently quotable "downer" ending.

    Largely because of that ending, Chinatown has a formidable reputation as a classic, but I want to emphasize that that doesn't mean it's not fun. It is! There are fights, chases, and menace a'plenty. Jake's journey takes him from a midnight confrontation with a genuinely chilling pair of hired killers -

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    - to the sunlit portico of the most powerful man in LA -

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    - to, of course, the bed of a beautiful woman. I think because Chinatown was made in the 1970s and directed by a European, some people blithely assume it is somehow satirizing or deconstructing the hardboiled detective genre. I don't think that's true at all. Chinatown unironically delivers all the pleasures of that kind of story; it just does them really well, with a piercing intelligence, a dash of urbane wit, and a painstaking, craftsmanlike dedication to authenticity and historicity.

    The director, Roman Polanski, is a contentious subject. I won't say anything except to note that missing this movie because of him is a huge mistake, and Polanski is only one of the reasons it works so well. The story comes to us courtesy of Robert Towne, who also wrote Bonnie and Clyde and co-wrote The Parallax View, the beautiful photography is by Robert Alonzo, and the music was composed by none other than the great Jerry Goldsmith. For whatever reason, all of these men turned in some of the best work of their careers here.

    Let them, and Jake Gittes, take you on a ride to Chinatown. It's unforgettable.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Life doesn't run away from nobody. Life runs at people.Registered User regular
    I love the last shot in the film. Where Jake is being walked off, and both sides of the street are softly lit, but in the center of the road there is nothing but darkness. I love the symbolism of it.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Chinatown is THE classic deconstruction of traditional noir, as well as the bridge to neo-noir. It also helps that the story is rooted in actual history - the dam did exist; Mulholland did push for it despite the known structural flaws; and in the end, it did fail, killing people. And yes, it IS a deconstruction, because it breaks down and analyzes the traditional elements of noir, in large part by merging it with a not too distant (at the time) real world tragedy and scandal.

    It's also interesting that the film was made around the time Nicholson found out the truth about his parentage (he was raised thinking that his grandparents were his parents, and his mother was his sister, not exactly an unknown practice). Which, if you've watched the movie, adds some interesting metatext to some of the scenes.

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  • initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    Looking forward to having a reason to watch this movie again.

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  • AtomikaAtomika (citation needed)Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    As the story goes with Chinatown, writer Robert Towne (who developed the story) got the idea from a simple place. This seems to be a recurrent phenomenon; the best things happen organically, and a brilliant storyteller won't create a story from wholecloth in his or her head, but rather fixate upon a notion, and then build a story around that notion, planting it as the single narrative force of resonance and momentum.

    This is what is referred to in screenwriters' circles as "the throughline." It's not the plot; it's what the movie is about. The Godfather trilogy's plot is how the son of a prominent mafioso rises to power in a dangerous world of crime and betrayal. The Godfather's throughline, however, is the notion of "family" and how that can be perverted in pursuit of ideals. The throughline is what defines a film or a character. It's the intangible humanity that allows the audience to engage in a meaningful way. Not every movie has a throughline; however, all great movies do.

    Towne's throughline for Chinatown came organically one day as he was driving around the hilly coast of Southern California. He grew up there and spent time with his grandfather, who had an orange orchard, which was not at all uncommon in those days. Almost all of America's oranges came from California at that time, and the Tuscanesque topography of the greater Los Angeles area was less the bustling metropolis we know today and more of a breezy agrarian mecca of horticulture. Towne drove through the hills of the ever-modernizing L.A. outskirts and had the thought, "What ever happened to the oranges?" He was suddenly reminded of his childhood with his grandfather and how no matter where you went in Southern California, you could always count on a cool Pacific breeze blowing the scent of the citrus orchards up the coast and into your nostrils. It sounds lovely. But now, thirty years on, Towne couldn't remember the last time he smelled oranges in the air of Los Angeles. The more the thought about it, he couldn't remember the last time he smelled anything but car exhaust and the fumes from constant construction. The city was no longer a dusty little farm-and-ranch town, but one of the top five largest cities in the US. Soon, it would be in the top two.

    And made him entirely saddened. That wonderful reminder of his childhood was gone forever, and not only would he not experience it ever again, but no one would. That part of L.A. was in the past, and not welcome in the cosmopolitan future of the city. The place had lost something simple and pure and never gave it a second thought. Progress was the future, and that future would be tamed and shaped by men who believed in it. The passive innocence of yesteryear wasn't just forsaken, it was forgotten, or maybe even omitted out of purpose. Modern living didn't have a place for anything delicate, or at least not for something delicate that could be a communal and persisting experience. Modernity was roughhewn and ruthless and unforgiving, and those who were to succeed in that environment had to play by those rules better than everyone else.

    Innocence wasn't lost. Innocence had been taken, used up, corrupted, tossed aside, and forgotten in the way people are careless about things they find no value in.



    And then Robert Towne wrote Chinatown.

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  • wanderingwandering Registered User regular
    After seventy years the little tics and visual shorthands left over from the great heyday of hardboiled detective fiction still saturate our pop culture, surfacing in everything from kids' cartoons to SNL sketches.
    And Calvin and Hobbes.

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    I've watched Chinatown twice and both times I wasn't entirely able to follow the labyrinthine plot.

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  • BogartBogart Registered User regular
    It isn't that difficult a plot to follow, I don't think.

    I like the line in the mostly disappointing sequel, The Two Jakes: "I'm the leper with the most fingers." It neatly sums up Gittes' status in LA.

  • ThomamelasThomamelas Life doesn't run away from nobody. Life runs at people.Registered User regular
    wandering wrote: »
    After seventy years the little tics and visual shorthands left over from the great heyday of hardboiled detective fiction still saturate our pop culture, surfacing in everything from kids' cartoons to SNL sketches.
    And Calvin and Hobbes.

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    I've watched Chinatown twice and both times I wasn't entirely able to follow the labyrinthine plot.
    Spoiler:

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  • AtomikaAtomika (citation needed)Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    For those acquainted, is The Two Jakes worth a look? Chinatown is one of my all-time favorites, but I have no desire to tarnish my impression with a faulty sequel.

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  • BogartBogart Registered User regular
    It's ok, but not in the same league. It feels distinctly unnecessary.

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