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  • ArchArch HELLO YES THIS IS BUG Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Like, I am not trying to say that everyone is...an "entitled crapbag"

    I am just confused as to why people started a charity fund to bring attention to how shitty the ending is

    Like, Jake and Feral aren't "entitled crapbags"

    Now maybe if they donated to the charity and kept flooding my facebook feed with "#retakeME3" posts

    maybe they would be considered entitled crapbags

    Arch on
  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck NONSTOP INFINITE CLIMAX POSTING you must go on i cant go on ill go onRegistered User regular
    adytum who is it

    and i want to see this argument

    i want to be outraged with you bro

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    I have to pick a movie out. What is a streaming movie I can watch for free that is also worth watching? I see Amelie on Hulu and that's about it.

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  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Man, this whole thing with ME3 has spawned some type of awesome meta-commentary regarding how people perceive the artistic process really.

    I'm interested in the articles about how this indicates gamers don't really think games are art.

    You don't demand that an artist change its art.

    Yeah, I can understand being mad at an ending, but insisting that the ending be changed is fucking weird to me, and my gut reaction is to call them all a bunch of entitled crapbags.

    As someone who has not played through it all yet

    I find it weird that people donated money to charity to get the ending changed.

    Confused bros

    Confused

    I think the phrase Entitled Crapbags is incredibly appropriate for this kind of thing.

    donating money to charity and saying please change it to something that doesn't suck is being a crapbag?

    donating money to charity is always cool, but pairing charity with the other weird outrage does not quell my opinion of the weird outrage

    like, if you gave a bunch of money to charity and said WE THINK APARTHIED IS NIFTY AND SHOULD COME BACK it wouldn't make it alright. (And yes, I chose something like that to be an embellishment and not a direct comparison)

    I mean, I guess it's a testament to how involved a lot of people felt in the story, but at the end of the day it's a story being created by someone else. Thinking that you have any right to dictate what they want their story to be is ridiculous to me. I mean I've had many films that I thought should have handled things differently, as I'm sure many of us have, but I would never try to force the people to redo it the way I wanted. That's fucking dumb.

    So yes, entitled crapbags can give money to charity and still be entitled crapbags.

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  • Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot WRIGGLY OMG WRIGGLYRegistered User regular
    ugh i nearly just vomited from stress

    because -> i had to use the phone
    -> i was intending to do a big apology speech
    and -> the conversation was put off and now i'm imagining all the possible ways it could go badly

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  • ArchArch HELLO YES THIS IS BUG Registered User regular
    Also it was really amusing for me to see on my facebook feed someone who complained about day one DLC to later have given additional money to this charity to get the ending of ME3 changed

    I was confused

    Also then they basically said the new ending was DLC and this dude was all "fuck yes"

    and I was like

    wut

  • SarksusSarksus Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    Also it was really amusing for me to see on my facebook feed someone who complained about day one DLC to later have given additional money to this charity to get the ending of ME3 changed

    I was confused

    Also then they basically said the new ending was DLC and this dude was all "fuck yes"

    and I was like

    wut

    Internet is dumb.

  • _J__J_ Festive Pedant Registered User regular
    Bethryn wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    I'm interested in the articles about how this indicates gamers don't really think games are art.

    You don't demand that an artist change its art.
    Let's say I'm reading a book, and the writer is really good at describing battles and politics and people's emotions. But then there's a sex scene, and it's painful to read. Overembellished, metaphorical references, the lot.

    I might at that point, say that that writer needs to work on their sex scenes.

    Now replace sex scenes with 'endings'.

    "suggest that a writer work on their sex scene" is not equal to "demand that the writer rewrite the book, and give it to you for free."

    Seriously J not only are you a monumentally umpleasant person when you start uttering the nonsense that passes for philosophy in your mind (shame on whatever institution you graduated in, and shame on your tutors for creating such a monster), but your sense of humor, such as it is, is awful.
  • JamesJames Registered User regular
    hey arch did you hear about the current black/white downloadable pokemon?

  • ArchArch HELLO YES THIS IS BUG Registered User regular
    But I do agree that this is sort of a weirdly critical junction for games and the interplay between creators and their consumers, as well as for games as art

  • ArchArch HELLO YES THIS IS BUG Registered User regular
    I just kind of wish we were making a bigger issue out of something that felt a bit more meaningful

    Maybe I will disagree when I finish the game, but also I think at this point the 'terrible ending' has been built up far to much for me to emotionally invest in it

    oh well

  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    during the war, my relatives and their neighbours wouldn't sell wood to the germans in Haugesund nearby

    so the germans found a guy to buy it for them and when they found out about that they just stopped chopping wood

    so the germans sent some soldiers into the valleys to chop some wood and they were quartered in among others my relatives' house

    radios were of course forbidden by the germans during the war, but the germans had a radio, and one of the soldiers let my uncle listen to BBC while they were out

    that soldier always took care to get back earlier than the rest and ensure that the dial was in the place where they had left it


    that is my story about quartering

    goddam nazis

    another godamn nazis story:

    The building the german gestapo-like entity was using in Oslo for torture and interrogation, Victoria terrasse, was something of a big deal to blow up, thought the resistance. But also in downtown Oslo. So they went back and forth. Eventually it was decided that a british bomber would come in and bomb it, despite the risk of civilian casualties.

    First time the bomb missed and hit the neighbouring building. Second time, it missed and hit a streetcart. 105 people, of whom 78 civilians were killed.

    In remember two things about what I read from the tale of the ambulance men that day

    one was the old man who complained of a headache and got to sit down in the ambulance then quietly and without any fuss, died from the three inch piece of shrapnel embedded in his brain

    the other was how they found one german soldier in a curious position - a little curled up, facing downwards, and then heard a small child crying underneath him

    a witness later said that the german soldier had, when they heard the plane, thrown himself over the child, shielding it


    godamn nazis

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    adytum wrote: »
    Oh my god, a certain someone has been harassing me all evening via PM in a continuation of the absolutely ridiculous argument he started in a certain to-be-unnamed thread this afternoon. I have no way to complain about it to anyone IRL without sounding pathetic, so I'm bitching about it to you, chat.

    Just don't respond.

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    man, i just did the Mass Effect 1 moon mission.

    Fuck robots. I hate robots. Robots are the worst. The best part of Mass Effect is killing lots of robots.

    Heehee.

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  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    during the war, my relatives and their neighbours wouldn't sell wood to the germans in Haugesund nearby

    so the germans found a guy to buy it for them and when they found out about that they just stopped chopping wood

    so the germans sent some soldiers into the valleys to chop some wood and they were quartered in among others my relatives' house

    radios were of course forbidden by the germans during the war, but the germans had a radio, and one of the soldiers let my uncle listen to BBC while they were out

    that soldier always took care to get back earlier than the rest and ensure that the dial was in the place where they had left it


    that is my story about quartering

    goddam nazis

    another godamn nazis story:

    The building the german gestapo-like entity was using in Oslo for torture and interrogation, Victoria terrasse, was something of a big deal to blow up, thought the resistance. But also in downtown Oslo. So they went back and forth. Eventually it was decided that a british bomber would come in and bomb it, despite the risk of civilian casualties.

    First time the bomb missed and hit the neighbouring building. Second time, it missed and hit a streetcart. 105 people, of whom 78 civilians were killed.

    In remember two things about what I read from the tale of the ambulance men that day

    one was the old man who complained of a headache and got to sit down in the ambulance then quietly and without any fuss, died from the three inch piece of shrapnel embedded in his brain

    the other was how they found one german soldier in a curious position - a little curled up, facing downwards, and then heard a small child crying underneath him

    a witness later said that the german soldier had, when they heard the plane, thrown himself over the child, shielding it


    godamn nazis

    Thanks, Obama.

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  • ArchArch HELLO YES THIS IS BUG Registered User regular
    James wrote: »
    hey arch did you hear about the current black/white downloadable pokemon?

    wut?

    oh god is it Genesect

  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Man, this whole thing with ME3 has spawned some type of awesome meta-commentary regarding how people perceive the artistic process really.

    I'm interested in the articles about how this indicates gamers don't really think games are art.

    You don't demand that an artist change its art.

    Yeah, I can understand being mad at an ending, but insisting that the ending be changed is fucking weird to me, and my gut reaction is to call them all a bunch of entitled crapbags.

    As someone who has not played through it all yet

    I find it weird that people donated money to charity to get the ending changed.

    Confused bros

    Confused

    I think the phrase Entitled Crapbags is incredibly appropriate for this kind of thing.

    donating money to charity and saying please change it to something that doesn't suck is being a crapbag?

    donating money to charity is always cool, but pairing charity with the other weird outrage does not quell my opinion of the weird outrage

    like, if you gave a bunch of money to charity and said WE THINK APARTHIED IS NIFTY AND SHOULD COME BACK it wouldn't make it alright. (And yes, I chose something like that to be an embellishment and not a direct comparison)

    I mean, I guess it's a testament to how involved a lot of people felt in the story, but at the end of the day it's a story being created by someone else. Thinking that you have any right to dictate what they want their story to be is ridiculous to me. I mean I've had many films that I thought should have handled things differently, as I'm sure many of us have, but I would never try to force the people to redo it the way I wanted. That's fucking dumb.

    So yes, entitled crapbags can give money to charity and still be entitled crapbags.

    that's a wierd definition of forcing, right there

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  • 21stCentury21stCentury *~ Have a Magical day ~* Purveyor of Pixelly PalsRegistered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    man, i just did the Mass Effect 1 moon mission.

    Fuck robots. I hate robots. Robots are the worst. The best part of Mass Effect is killing lots of robots.

    Heehee.

    Don't tell me i'm wrong about how many robots i'll get to thrash... I want to kill more robots. :(

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    man, i just did the Mass Effect 1 moon mission.

    Fuck robots. I hate robots. Robots are the worst. The best part of Mass Effect is killing lots of robots.

    Heehee.

    Don't tell me i'm wrong about how many robots i'll get to thrash... I want to kill more robots. :(

    I'm not saying anything. Except heehee.

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  • _J__J_ Festive Pedant Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    But I do agree that this is sort of a weirdly critical junction for games and the interplay between creators and their consumers, as well as for games as art

    indeed.

    perhaps...a thread?

    oooo...

    Seriously J not only are you a monumentally umpleasant person when you start uttering the nonsense that passes for philosophy in your mind (shame on whatever institution you graduated in, and shame on your tutors for creating such a monster), but your sense of humor, such as it is, is awful.
  • JamesJames Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    James wrote: »
    hey arch did you hear about the current black/white downloadable pokemon?

    wut?

    oh god is it Genesect

    unfortunately it is reshiram or zekrom depending on which one you normally dont get

  • ArchArch HELLO YES THIS IS BUG Registered User regular
    Man

    I have given three presentations already today

    it is to the point where I don't even want to give my organismal biology lecture tonight

    and tonight's lecture is about insects

  • ArchArch HELLO YES THIS IS BUG Registered User regular
    _J_ wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    But I do agree that this is sort of a weirdly critical junction for games and the interplay between creators and their consumers, as well as for games as art

    indeed.

    perhaps...a thread?

    oooo...

    My only problem is I am trying so hard to avoid spoilers because if it works out I am picking this game up in two weeks

  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Man, this whole thing with ME3 has spawned some type of awesome meta-commentary regarding how people perceive the artistic process really.

    I'm interested in the articles about how this indicates gamers don't really think games are art.

    You don't demand that an artist change its art.

    Yeah, I can understand being mad at an ending, but insisting that the ending be changed is fucking weird to me, and my gut reaction is to call them all a bunch of entitled crapbags.

    As someone who has not played through it all yet

    I find it weird that people donated money to charity to get the ending changed.

    Confused bros

    Confused

    I think the phrase Entitled Crapbags is incredibly appropriate for this kind of thing.

    donating money to charity and saying please change it to something that doesn't suck is being a crapbag?

    donating money to charity is always cool, but pairing charity with the other weird outrage does not quell my opinion of the weird outrage

    like, if you gave a bunch of money to charity and said WE THINK APARTHIED IS NIFTY AND SHOULD COME BACK it wouldn't make it alright. (And yes, I chose something like that to be an embellishment and not a direct comparison)

    I mean, I guess it's a testament to how involved a lot of people felt in the story, but at the end of the day it's a story being created by someone else. Thinking that you have any right to dictate what they want their story to be is ridiculous to me. I mean I've had many films that I thought should have handled things differently, as I'm sure many of us have, but I would never try to force the people to redo it the way I wanted. That's fucking dumb.

    So yes, entitled crapbags can give money to charity and still be entitled crapbags.

    that's a wierd definition of forcing, right there

    It's an attempt to force a change through social outrage. I don't think it's that weird, I think it communicates pretty well what's happening. Like, "suggestion" doesn't work when it's a big chunk of angry frothing fans. A suggestion would be like "maybe don't end things quite like this next time" not "YOU GUYS NEED TO CHANGE THIS ENDING IT IS UNACCEPTABLE EVERYONE SPREAD THE WORD THIS WILL NOT STAND"

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  • Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot WRIGGLY OMG WRIGGLYRegistered User regular
    According to My Fitness Pal the fish and chips I ate tonight were only 1100 calories

    I am unsure if this is right or not

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    But I do agree that this is sort of a weirdly critical junction for games and the interplay between creators and their consumers, as well as for games as art

    indeed.

    perhaps...a thread?

    oooo...

    My only problem is I am trying so hard to avoid spoilers because if it works out I am picking this game up in two weeks

    then I will say this: The ending, it's badness or wierdness or whatever, is not as huge as it would seem. Internet topics can snowball pretty heavily.

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  • SarksusSarksus Registered User regular
    According to My Fitness Pal the fish and chips I ate tonight were only 1100 calories

    I am unsure if this is right or not

    Only? What is your daily calorie allowance?

  • ArchArch HELLO YES THIS IS BUG Registered User regular
    James wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    James wrote: »
    hey arch did you hear about the current black/white downloadable pokemon?

    wut?

    oh god is it Genesect

    unfortunately it is reshiram or zekrom depending on which one you normally dont get

    oh i give zero fucks about those guys

  • ronyaronya Arrrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
  • adytumadytum Registered User regular
    Just don't respond.

    But I'm not physically able to keep myself from responding to someone that's being a jerk!

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  • adytumadytum Registered User regular
    Thanks for the laugh, @B:L

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Man, this whole thing with ME3 has spawned some type of awesome meta-commentary regarding how people perceive the artistic process really.

    I'm interested in the articles about how this indicates gamers don't really think games are art.

    You don't demand that an artist change its art.

    Yeah, I can understand being mad at an ending, but insisting that the ending be changed is fucking weird to me, and my gut reaction is to call them all a bunch of entitled crapbags.

    As someone who has not played through it all yet

    I find it weird that people donated money to charity to get the ending changed.

    Confused bros

    Confused

    I think the phrase Entitled Crapbags is incredibly appropriate for this kind of thing.

    donating money to charity and saying please change it to something that doesn't suck is being a crapbag?

    donating money to charity is always cool, but pairing charity with the other weird outrage does not quell my opinion of the weird outrage

    like, if you gave a bunch of money to charity and said WE THINK APARTHIED IS NIFTY AND SHOULD COME BACK it wouldn't make it alright. (And yes, I chose something like that to be an embellishment and not a direct comparison)

    I mean, I guess it's a testament to how involved a lot of people felt in the story, but at the end of the day it's a story being created by someone else. Thinking that you have any right to dictate what they want their story to be is ridiculous to me. I mean I've had many films that I thought should have handled things differently, as I'm sure many of us have, but I would never try to force the people to redo it the way I wanted. That's fucking dumb.

    So yes, entitled crapbags can give money to charity and still be entitled crapbags.

    that's a wierd definition of forcing, right there

    It's an attempt to force a change through social outrage. I don't think it's that weird, I think it communicates pretty well what's happening. Like, "suggestion" doesn't work when it's a big chunk of angry frothing fans. A suggestion would be like "maybe don't end things quite like this next time" not "YOU GUYS NEED TO CHANGE THIS ENDING IT IS UNACCEPTABLE EVERYONE SPREAD THE WORD THIS WILL NOT STAND"

    ...next time they make me3?

    the whole point of the charity guys was not to be like the entitled crapbags

    and they're not!

    they're going

    hey, we're not being entitled crapbags

    we would just like a better ending, to an amazing thing we love

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  • SarksusSarksus Registered User regular
    Fuck. In my day when something ended and I didn't like the end of it I sucked it up and did something else.

    GAWD.

  • ArchArch HELLO YES THIS IS BUG Registered User regular
    I think "donate money to a charity so that a company gives us a better ending to a game" is

    well, I can think of less worthy charities

    but

    not many

    hate me for this opinion or not, there it is

  • _J__J_ Festive Pedant Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    But I do agree that this is sort of a weirdly critical junction for games and the interplay between creators and their consumers, as well as for games as art

    indeed.

    perhaps...a thread?

    oooo...

    My only problem is I am trying so hard to avoid spoilers because if it works out I am picking this game up in two weeks

    Yeah...

    I think we could argue about it in the abstract, and avoid spoilers...

    Seriously J not only are you a monumentally umpleasant person when you start uttering the nonsense that passes for philosophy in your mind (shame on whatever institution you graduated in, and shame on your tutors for creating such a monster), but your sense of humor, such as it is, is awful.
  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    According to My Fitness Pal the fish and chips I ate tonight were only 1100 calories

    I am unsure if this is right or not

    only?

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  • Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot WRIGGLY OMG WRIGGLYRegistered User regular
    is there a way to bring up only e-mails with attachments while using gmail?

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  • Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot WRIGGLY OMG WRIGGLYRegistered User regular
    Sarksus wrote: »
    According to My Fitness Pal the fish and chips I ate tonight were only 1100 calories

    I am unsure if this is right or not

    Only? What is your daily calorie allowance?

    1900

    and my lunch was 84 calories of baby spinach

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  • rayofashrayofash Registered User regular
    Anybody know what's going on in China?

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