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Forming a More Perfect Union

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  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    Ubik wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Ubik wrote: »
    it's not styled like a tax or a credit though

    that's the problem

    I'm almost certain it's assessed as a tax penalty.

    Which you can refuse to pay with absolutely no repercussions, by the way.

    So basically, if you refuse to buy health insurance, you can voluntarily pay a penalty, you know, if you feel like it, man.

    it's paid to the IRS but it's not a tax in the conventional sense

    also, i highly doubt you can refuse to pay with no repercussions

    there would be no debate and it wouldn't be a "mandate" if that was the case

    The health care reform law specifies that there are no criminal penalties, liens, or civil penalties for non-payment of the tax penalty for not having health insurance coverage.

    So, if you decide not to pay the penalty, there's nothing the government can do to make you.

    Lawndart on
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  • QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    States can do whatever they want, duh

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  • JoeUserJoeUser Registered User regular
    Quoth wrote: »
    States can do whatever they want, duh

    Yeah, I guess that's actually true. Though I'm glad to live in a state that has such a plan, and it's a shame if it would depend on what state you lived in if you could get health care.

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    cant we just copy paste canada's stupid health care system

    lets do that

    germany's is roughly infinite times better

    germany's health care system is literally 100% death panels

  • UbikUbik i'm a rude bitch, neighbor, what are you made up of i was in the 212Registered User regular
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Ubik wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Ubik wrote: »
    it's not styled like a tax or a credit though

    that's the problem

    I'm almost certain it's assessed as a tax penalty.

    Which you can refuse to pay with absolutely no repercussions, by the way.

    So basically, if you refuse to buy health insurance, you can voluntarily pay a penalty, you know, if you feel like it, man.

    it's paid to the IRS but it's not a tax in the conventional sense

    also, i highly doubt you can refuse to pay with no repercussions

    there would be no debate and it wouldn't be a "mandate" if that was the case

    The health care reform law specifies that there are no criminal penalties, liens, or civil penalties for non-payment of the tax penalty for not having health insurance coverage.

    So, if you decide not to pay the penalty, there's nothing the government can do to make you.

    then i don't understand why there's a Supreme Court case

    that's not a law, it's a suggested donation

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Registered User regular
    Ubik wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Ubik wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Ubik wrote: »
    it's not styled like a tax or a credit though

    that's the problem

    I'm almost certain it's assessed as a tax penalty.

    Which you can refuse to pay with absolutely no repercussions, by the way.

    So basically, if you refuse to buy health insurance, you can voluntarily pay a penalty, you know, if you feel like it, man.

    it's paid to the IRS but it's not a tax in the conventional sense

    also, i highly doubt you can refuse to pay with no repercussions

    there would be no debate and it wouldn't be a "mandate" if that was the case

    The health care reform law specifies that there are no criminal penalties, liens, or civil penalties for non-payment of the tax penalty for not having health insurance coverage.

    So, if you decide not to pay the penalty, there's nothing the government can do to make you.

    then i don't understand why there's a Supreme Court case

    that's not a law, it's a suggested donation

    whatever, stalin

  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    Ubik wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Ubik wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Ubik wrote: »
    it's not styled like a tax or a credit though

    that's the problem

    I'm almost certain it's assessed as a tax penalty.

    Which you can refuse to pay with absolutely no repercussions, by the way.

    So basically, if you refuse to buy health insurance, you can voluntarily pay a penalty, you know, if you feel like it, man.

    it's paid to the IRS but it's not a tax in the conventional sense

    also, i highly doubt you can refuse to pay with no repercussions

    there would be no debate and it wouldn't be a "mandate" if that was the case

    The health care reform law specifies that there are no criminal penalties, liens, or civil penalties for non-payment of the tax penalty for not having health insurance coverage.

    So, if you decide not to pay the penalty, there's nothing the government can do to make you.

    then i don't understand why there's a Supreme Court case

    that's not a law, it's a suggested donation

    Well, it's called an individual mandate and the assumption is that if the IRS sends you a bill for $taxes + $fuckyoufornotbuyinghealthinsurance that the average citizen won't risk the chance of (non-existent) penalties and will assume they have to pay it.

    But yeah, it's really not much of a mandate since if you refuse to pay it, the government's recourse at this point is to go "Oh come on, pretty please?"

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  • MizuumiMizuumi Registered User
  • UbikUbik i'm a rude bitch, neighbor, what are you made up of i was in the 212Registered User regular
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Ubik wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Ubik wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Ubik wrote: »
    it's not styled like a tax or a credit though

    that's the problem

    I'm almost certain it's assessed as a tax penalty.

    Which you can refuse to pay with absolutely no repercussions, by the way.

    So basically, if you refuse to buy health insurance, you can voluntarily pay a penalty, you know, if you feel like it, man.

    it's paid to the IRS but it's not a tax in the conventional sense

    also, i highly doubt you can refuse to pay with no repercussions

    there would be no debate and it wouldn't be a "mandate" if that was the case

    The health care reform law specifies that there are no criminal penalties, liens, or civil penalties for non-payment of the tax penalty for not having health insurance coverage.

    So, if you decide not to pay the penalty, there's nothing the government can do to make you.

    then i don't understand why there's a Supreme Court case

    that's not a law, it's a suggested donation

    Well, it's called an individual mandate and the assumption is that if the IRS sends you a bill for $taxes + $fuckyoufornotbuyinghealthinsurance that the average citizen won't risk the chance of (non-existent) penalties and will assume they have to pay it.

    But yeah, it's really not much of a mandate since if you refuse to pay it, the government's recourse at this point is to go "Oh come on, pretty please?"

    if what you're saying is true i would literally throw this case out of court for a lack of case or controversy

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  • MeizMeiz Registered User regular
    Quoth wrote: »
    States can do whatever they want, duh

    Provided it's in the realm of a 3 toed sloth's ability.

  • TossrockTossrock too weird to live too rare to dieRegistered User regular
    Fandyien wrote: »
    japan has a pretty good healthcare system

    i hear they use robots
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  • MrMonroeMrMonroe Registered User regular
    Ubik wrote: »
    it's not styled like a tax or a credit though

    that's the problem

    and lo, we have the entire nation looking on as SCOTUS tries to figure out whether a new law which has a functionally identical economic impact as dozens of tax credits that have gone before it represents a fundamental departure from past jurisprudence on the grounds that it is "styled" differently

  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    Ubik wrote: »
    it's not styled like a tax or a credit though

    that's the problem

    and lo, we have the entire nation looking on as SCOTUS tries to figure out whether a new law which has a functionally identical economic impact as dozens of tax credits that have gone before it represents a fundamental departure from past jurisprudence on the grounds that it is "styled" differently

    welcome to literally 250 years of jurisprudence related to constitutionality

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  • UbikUbik i'm a rude bitch, neighbor, what are you made up of i was in the 212Registered User regular
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    Ubik wrote: »
    it's not styled like a tax or a credit though

    that's the problem

    and lo, we have the entire nation looking on as SCOTUS tries to figure out whether a new law which has a functionally identical economic impact as dozens of tax credits that have gone before it represents a fundamental departure from past jurisprudence on the grounds that it is "styled" differently

    look i'm all in favor of the thing because it's functionally the same as a tax

    i was under the impression that if it's a tax then there is a problem with how the bill originated concerning tax enactments

    if not, then it shouldn't matter

    if there was a problem, then they can just go back and enact it as a regular tax/credit scheme

    sometimes, the form is the function, and Congress shouldn't be able to take shortcuts just because it's like comparable to other things

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Masks, huh? Mine's superior.Registered User regular
    Our Family Research Council's Dr. Pat Fagan once did a study where he took children who were living in single-parent households and "married" their moms and dads to each other through a computer program. He found that the simple act of marriage - thus combining household incomes and giving children two parents to support them - raised 80 percent of those children and their families out of poverty. Think of how this would help the economy and remove the strain on the government.

    reading through this conservative teen magazine is fascinating and bewildering

    these people live in an imaginary world and there are more of them than there are of us

    my favorite thing about that excerpt up there is that I immediately transposed that guy's name to Fat Pagan

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  • DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    I imagine Dr. Fat Pagan would be a lot more fun

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  • Anjin-SanAnjin-San That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    Man I can't do it, no whiskey here. How are the Pistons doing?

  • Anjin-SanAnjin-San That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    Let's talk about consumer life in the digital age. There are people who jerk off to products and in earnest claim they are oppressed. I balk at this statement, and wish for them to be marginalized and oppressed.

  • Anjin-SanAnjin-San That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    Imagine it: a future where offending the sensibilities of a 47 year old who identifies as a Shy Guy isn't sex positive, you are a bigot

    Anjin-San on
  • UbikUbik i'm a rude bitch, neighbor, what are you made up of i was in the 212Registered User regular
    what people? oppressed because of their jerking off?

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  • CptKemzikCptKemzik Registered User regular
    We are all the 99%, oppressed by our perpetual jerking off.

  • Anjin-SanAnjin-San That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    identifying as a subculture and oppressed entity

    Hrm, I guess a good point of reference would be furries

  • KwoaruKwoaru Registered User regular
    we should oppress people who feel oppressed but arent actually oppressed just mocked?

  • Anjin-SanAnjin-San That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    I of course speak of Otherkin, another disgusting bit of afterbirth of pop culture worship

  • MrMonroeMrMonroe Registered User regular
    I wonder what the "advent" of the furry was

    sometimes I think it's got to be an entirely new thing that grew up because of an internet subculture

    but then I remember all those stories about Zeus descending from olympus and turning into a duck so he could seduce innocent farm girls and I'm like

    huh

    maybe not

  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    Thunder Cats was the beginning of the modern furry.

    360: Sir Stiggleton PSN: Stiggy_PA GFWL: RacerStig Steam: TheStig
  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    TheStig wrote: »
    Thunder Cats was the beginning of the modern furry.

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  • AneurhythmiaAneurhythmia Registered User regular
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    I wonder what the "advent" of the furry was

    sometimes I think it's got to be an entirely new thing that grew up because of an internet subculture

    but then I remember all those stories about Zeus descending from olympus and turning into a duck so he could seduce innocent farm girls and I'm like

    huh

    maybe not

    Swan. And by some accounts, rape.

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  • JoeUserJoeUser Registered User regular
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  • UbikUbik i'm a rude bitch, neighbor, what are you made up of i was in the 212Registered User regular
    i don't know what's going on anymore

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  • AneurhythmiaAneurhythmia Registered User regular
    JoeUser wrote: »
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    I almost went to this.

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  • MizuumiMizuumi Registered User
    Ubik wrote: »
    i don't know what's going on anymore

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  • MrMonroeMrMonroe Registered User regular
    Lawndart wrote: »
    TheStig wrote: »
    Thunder Cats was the beginning of the modern furry.

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    when I was a kid I thought cross dressing bugs bunny was actually pretty hot

    which... says something about me, yes, but not that I'm a furry

  • UbikUbik i'm a rude bitch, neighbor, what are you made up of i was in the 212Registered User regular
    as a SCOTUSkin, i

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  • MizuumiMizuumi Registered User
    hey hey wait a minute look at that shit they colored bugs' right sleeve in wrong!!! fuck now i cant jerk off to this ill just be lookin at that miscolored sleeve

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  • MrMonroeMrMonroe Registered User regular
    wait is this why I like big feet?

    my god

  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    monroe has found out a lot about himself today

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    for instance that he is a disgusting furry

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    JoeUser wrote: »
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    I almost went to this.

    I'm pretty fucking disappointed that you did not

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  • UbikUbik i'm a rude bitch, neighbor, what are you made up of i was in the 212Registered User regular
    call the fursecutioner

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