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There was also that recent bug where some people could get a bazillion AC Rev coupons by logging in and out over and over again. I imagine that helped.
Not like fighting forces are an astoundingly huge demographic, but I'm pretty sure video and computer games are some of the most popular ways to pass the time while serving.
Hooo boy, I don't know if it'd actually hurt the PS4's sales in the long run since the average consumer will probably not care enough, but there'd be tons of rage over that. I would be one of said ragers.
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lmao excuse me? This is how you can tell that gamers today did not experience the NES days and/or have short memories. Nintendo never worried about the used market? The same nintendo which tried to make the sales of used games illegal in the US routinely throughout the 80's? The same Nintendo which dreamed up satellaview as a method which would permanently remove the option for resale? The same Nintendo which, as recently as 2009, claimed that their customers don't like used games, and that it's in their best interest that Nintendo negate the possibility of someone "accidentally" buying a used game?
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Hah, I actually got $30 for mine.
Oh yeah, I still need to preorder that. Maybe I'll do it tonight.
Digital sales, good for the industry! Huzzah!
Seriously though, Sony won't care, and I doubt they reimberse. Like I've said many times, you don't own the digital code, so if it's not bc, and Sony won't work with you...hey, it's their right, you're just renting the code for as long as they let you!
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Do you really want every Gamestop employee telling every mom/dad out buying a new console that the WiiU is the better console because it allows you to trade in games your kids get bored of? That's exactly what Gamestop would do if the PS4/720 have anti-used game measures in place.
Or, and I know I'm probably in the minority here, you could:
A. Buy fewer games.
B. Play the games you do buy.
C. Move on when the industry does.
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I do play the games I buy. And I like to go back and play older games too - Demon's Souls, for example, and both Dead Rising games. Or, going further back, I'll sometimes put Amplitude in because, hey, it's a non-plastic instrument rhythm game and I enjoy it tremendously.
I really don't think the desire to continue playing these games is unreasonable.
Wow at Kid Icarus, and it seems to have bumped the system too. Vita still holding at 10k, when will it finally bite the bullet and drop below?
Edit: Also the holy trinity are all back in the top ten after SM3DL dropped out last week.
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And Vita actually bumped up by 300 units? /the end is nigh
Sakurai is one of those developers that just can't stop himself from adding everything plus ten kitchen sinks into his games. SSBB was loaded with content, and even then it had more.
Kid Icarus is the same, just stuffed with stuff to do and see. I mean even his achievement grid, it's huge, and when you get to a certain point, you find out that it's not the only one, as you suddenly unlock ANOTHER HUGE achievement grid.
The next Smash Bros is going to be crazy, and I can't wait.
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This so called Sakurai person. I like him. Forever. He should be a consultant for Borderlands 2. Then that game will destroy the universe.
You really think it's unreasonable to ask for the option to play the games I've given the industry thousands of dollars for over this generation?
The fact that Sony slapped PS2 owners in the face by removing PS2 compatibility from the PS3 still stings for a lot of people. It made people who spent hundreds or thousands of dollars on a large PS2 library feel completely insulted, and there was no need for it.
I'm sorry, should I have prefaced that with, 'Since the advent of the modern era'? Because I mean, if we want to go all the way back, then Mario isn't even a nintendo exclusive franchise omgomg!!!111111
Ancient history matters very little in any modern context, almost all the people involved are out of the picture and almost every piece of bureaucracy from that era is more or less gone.
I can't find any mention of wanting to negate used games, there is this:
But that's also Reggie, you might as well stick him up there on the same platform as Kevin Butler, as he's mostly just some kind of PR figurehead with a cute title most of the time. The things he usually says are 90% bullshit. Tempered with HYPE
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People tolerated the PS2 compatibility going away because by then they had moved on to how awesome HD games looked - I wonder without that major technical advance in place if people will be as understanding.
Not to mention that those initial PS3s were rife with disc drive issues and such. A lot of people who had the original PS3 ended up replacing it with a newer model anyway, so they didn't even get to keep the feature they paid for.
You said yourself you have more games this generation than you did the last one. Theoretically, you could end up with more games the next generation, right? If you accumulate new games for whatever the current generation is, then you will simply have less time for the older games. Period.
So, what now? Do you take, say, 10% of the current gen games and put them aside as 'must-replay' for the next gen? Do you really think you'll find yourself playing these older games on such a consistent basis that you can't live without BC or having the older console connected all the time? Would it be such a hassle in your life to take that PS2 and put it in the closet until you get that hankering to play a game that is ten years old...in between all the sweetness of all those new gen games you're playing, of course.
No. It's not unreasonable. But the sacrifice you might make in the face of no BC is hardly the most inconvenient fucking thing you'll ever have to face.
However, if you're going to make the argument that you still play older games, how about you not name three of four from the current generation that you apparently play all the time. It's not such a burden if you already have the systems set up, is it?
Really? Slap in the face? The potential to have spent all that money and gotten enjoyment at the time is a slap in the face when you can no longer play them on the new hardware? Really?
You really want to insist that you wasted your money on the games you bought just because the new consoles can't play them? And that is more reasonable?
Okay then. Hope things work out for you.
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My still regulary used NES/SNES agree that you can move on with the industry without completely abandoning what came before. Heck, I missed the N64/Gamecube entirely as I only owned PS/PS2 during those generations, so the bc and VC on the Wii has allowed me to play gems/classics that I missed on both systems. Plus when the WiiU releases, all of the Wii Remotes I've spent money on will work with the system as will the hundreds of dollars worth of Wii games I own.
BC is a very good thing and a plus with a new system, especially since most new systems have a huge draught at the start of it. When I first got my PS2, for the first six months of the system I mostly played PS1 games on it.
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The industry isn't full of money grubbing dicks you're just playing games wrong!
Arguably, the industry allows you to keep playing those games on the system it's designed for. Backward compatibility has always been added value. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for it, but I understand platform holders not wanting to go through the hurdles of making it happen, especially if Sony's next system uses more standard architecture.
I believe the PS3 originally did backwards compatibility by dropping a PS2 inside the system. That adds to the cost. Removing it makes a cheaper system. On software backwards compatibility, Sony saves the costs of paying internal developers to work on making old software backwards compatible one-by-one or building a whole emulator within the new system.
I understand the desire, but I'm just not sure platform holders believe it makes good business sense outside of engendering customer loyalty. Loyalty, which while a good thing, cannot be translated directly into sales numbers.
EDIT: Santa is saying it in his blunt manner, but yes, ultimately the games you have now will still work on the consoles they were designed for. The fact they you need to keep the old consoles is a quality-of-life issues I agree, but I'm not sure the platform holders are toying with forgoing backwards-compatibility out of malice. My guess is it's a cost-cutting measure. I do find it interesting that we decry higher prices (in the 3DS/Vita case), but are unwilling to lose features to reach a lower MSRP.
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Used games typically sell for like $5 less unless the game is ass-old anyway
...or you shop at places other than GameStop.
Essentially, competition between retailers (Amazon/Best Buy/NewEgg or Steam/GOG/Impulse) drives prices down. Move that into a model where all games comes from a single source, and prices stay higher longer because consumers have no alternative.
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Fixed that for you, the Internet has used sales that are WAY better on newer games, just FYI.
I really, really doubt they're actually that stupid, though.
Very rarely do we have to pay full price for a new game if we are patient enough to wait a bit. Heck I got Kid Icarus at launch for ten dollars cheaper than MSRP because Best Buy did a release sale on it.
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When we're talking about a theoretical next generation, I'm quite comfortable naming older current-gen games that I still play on a regular basis - because they will become relevant in a new generation that lacks backwards compatibility. But you want examples of older games I still play? Alright - Xenosaga. Odin Sphere. Fatal Frame. GTA: San Andreas.
I'm sorry that this is such a difficult concept for you to understand. Some of us would enjoy being able to just put our old games in a new system and not deal with hassle beyond that. I rarely have time to game anyways, and I don't particularly want to fiddle around with cables and the like every time I do, especially since my setup is such that it's extra inconvenient to do so. I'm not saying 'OH MY GOD IT'S THE WORST THING EVER', I'm just saying 'hey, from a convenience perspective, this kind of sucks.' It's not going to make me avoid buying a next gen console, but I'm allowed to express my dislike of an inconvenience.
But hey. Why bother engaging in discussion when it's apparently far easier to simply act like an ass and reduce the entire argument to 'OH NO INCONVENIENCE HOW WILL YOU EVER SURVIVE'.
It really depends on where you're looking. I mean, Gamestop may sell used games at $5 less, but if you go to pawn shops or used game stores, they may sell them for a lot less.
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Yeah, that was going to be my argument - but I think where there's going to be the most backlash is not the 'can't buy used games anymore', but rather the 'can't resell my used games anymore'. In the former case, the most common situation is that the consumer will lose out on a 5-10$ savings, since the bulk of used sales are soon after a game launches. In the latter, however, you're losing out on the ability to get money for games you no longer play - and I think that's where the backlash will inevitably come from.
I do wonder if BC for digitally-bought stuff will be more of an issue, though.
And again, as much as we pooh-pooh the $5 used game savings Gamestop offers, the general public goes ape for it.
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Oh, I don't expect that most people will care. My argument was, at no point, 'OH MY GOD IF THEY TAKE IT OUT EVERYONE WILL HATE THEM'. It was 'well, that sucks, it's a feature I enjoy.' Which wasn't an unreasonable position to take, I assumed.
Yeah, when this generation came about, I bought a 360 over a PS3 despite having a PSX and PS2 for exactly this reason and more. Sony treated it's consumers like crap and made shit hardware that failed far too often (I'm on my 4th PS2 and had my PSX repaired once). Ironically, I chose the console with the highest failure rate.
Regardless, when the next generation hits I'll be looking at a lot of things before I decide which console to support initially. Looking at my massive library of 360 games, I'm seriously going to want to fire Microsoft out of a cannon if there's no BC support on their next console. Backwards compatibility could really sway my opinion.