Well that's progress. Little concerned by losing so many apparent specials so fast and Assuran's kill still out there, though.
Good news is that Retaba was only a "special" in that he had a one-time use plague vaccine. At least, that is what it sounded like. I guess the mafia has it now.
which means villagers have to say who they hit with the plague in witching hour
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Or.. shouldn't? I think it would work like a guard power. You use it on someone already plagued so they don't die.
I don't think it would have to be used on someone ahead of time so if they did get infected it didn't infect them. I could be wrong. I guess both seem viable, but the second option would be very difficult to pull off.
If option 1 is right, we know whoever suddenly dodges death-by-plague is mafia. They could use it on a plagued villager to fool us, but why? That villager would have been dead that night anyway, and they just delay it a day.
Sure go ahead but wouldnt we be better served by looking at the late day 2 votes for segatai?
Here Ill do it for you the last 4 votes on sega:
Post #766, red by vertroue on SeGaTai from Shiny New Toys (SeGaTai)
Post #807, red by Anialos on SeGaTai from Shiny New Toys (!SeGaTai)
Post #814, red by corvidae on SeGaTai from Citizen (SeGaTai)
Post #835, red by Shabooty on SeGaTai (SeGaTai)
You might note that two of those died last night as mafia, vertroue im not sure about her vote was quite a bit earlier before there was much of a bandwagon on Anialos but Shabooty was the deciding vote so it would be interesting to hear his side of the story. Theres also the throwaway votes which I admit I am included in but I think I'm going to look at Malkor for now because he has had nothing but throwaway votes up to this point and made that random comment about Infi and anialos being in cahoots to distract everyone.
Anialos was obviously trying to save himself.
Corv is definetly mafia and quite dead already
Ketbras name has been tossed around for a bit
And Langly who is "trustworthy"
vertroue I cant get a bead on, mostly just seeing her RP posts and and not much contribution finding the mafia
Gaslight called me ugly and should die for that, otherwise hes seems to be contributing to the discussion
38thdoe I dont even remember being in the game. I cant think of one memorable post. Same with shabooty, really.
Does anyone know the timestaps? I thank Ani was actually the last vote for seg and it was tied before hand.
While SeGaTai's post was rather odd, I don't think it was odd enough to spark this bandwagon. He went from 0 to dead pretty quickly, based solely on a post that was far less "incriminating" than Personface's silly post, which was soon forgotten. Then again, he ended up being village as well.
Should we be looking at people with outlying votes?
Dumpshock votes Akimbolegs at [7:37 PM]"Placeholder vote" but he never came back to cast a real one.
jdarksun votes Obifett at [8:36 PM]Complete and total throw-away in the midst of the bandwagoning last night.
Mr Mojo Risin votes Capfalcon at [8:57 PM]"I'm confused, here's a placeholder!" never returns to cast a real one.
REG Rysk votes romanqwerty at [2:44 PM]says it's a joke vote, never returns to cast a real one.
Retaba votes I needed a name to post at [2:35 PM]The "you just strike me as odd" approach.
The last phalla I was in, the mafia just sat back and let the village eat itself. They just voted for unassuming people to blend in. That could be what's happening here. The "placeholders" that end up being their actual votes are kind of suspicious.
Dumpshock, for example, posted a total of twice yesterday and once the day before. Very inactive, throwaway voting. He's also new to the forums, so I'd imagine he'd be a little more intrigued with the game and active, unless he was purposely trying to not stick out. He was also mafia in REG's mini, and he played much the same way with throwaway votes and very little activity.
Mr Mojo Risin has been posting the bare minimum as well (1 post, 1 vote post).
jdarksun has followed a similar trend, although he was more active the first night. Yesterday, however, it was two random posts, one being his throwaway vote.
REG Rysk only posted once the first night, but he's been plenty active since.
And lastly, Retaba has been plenty active.
I'm leaning toward Dumpshock or Mojo for the vote. Dumpshock gets a bit more suspicious because he's playing so, so similarly to his last phalla. Since the last phalla's mafia were so heavily praised for their ability to sit back and let the village consume itself, it seems he would follow that same strategy this time, were he mafia. And if he was village this time? Well, he's new. Why sign up for a forum to play phallas (he signed up two weeks ago!) and then be almost silent throughout? What's the point? Unless he's been active elsewhere instead, like a mafia pro-board.
Corv was mafia. And saying somthing like "hey guys lets all trust langly" would be a good way to get the bandwagon going to save anialos. I guess his vote came way later in the day than I was expecting. But my suspicions of Langly are only growing at this point.
Then there is the strange comment from egos day 1:
I'll go with corvidae because I have no idea why he is grudging me. The only thing I can think of is general dislike or because he killed me when I was part of his faction in a game awhile back and I was inactive and didn't contact Retaba (who was part of his group)- so they decided to kill people who were silent. I was asking to be replaced I think that day.. O_O think this was Lain
Also baddies rarely vote for each other on day 1 (that is to say both vote for each other. one voting for the other is not uncommon, but for both to vote for each other draws some attention). So if corvidae turns up evil. This may provide information later on.
Now to me, it really looks like egos knew corv was mafia. And that their votes on each other was somthing that he would need to point out to distance himself from corv later on.
So I actually think corvidae saying that makes Langly less suspicious, because that is way too much positive association to draw between fellow mafia. I think Langly (probably) just made a mistake, and corvidae decided he would use the fact that a big name was on the Segatai wagon to try and pull more of the village that way, since infidel was with anialos and he probably figured it would be a hard sell to pull off the switch.
So I actually think corvidae saying that makes Langly less suspicious, because that is way too much positive association to draw between fellow mafia. I think Langly (probably) just made a mistake, and corvidae decided he would use the fact that a big name was on the Segatai wagon to try and pull more of the village that way, since infidel was with anialos and he probably figured it would be a hard sell to pull off the switch.
Akimbo already said it. The association that is making you suspicious Bedlam I think to most of us is actually making him look less suspicious.
That is more of a tactic of "Langly is to blame for my vote" rather than "I'm mafia and I need an excuse to vote oh hey I'll use another mafia to excuse it." The latter is not a very effective tactic since it just gets all your asses killed.
based on what you're saying a it seems like lot of mafia tactics seem to boil down to "I'll do something the mafia wouldn't do! they'll never suspect it!" only that tends to happen in ways that are pretty predictable, or at least retroactively observable
based on what you're saying a it seems like lot of mafia tactics seem to boil down to "I'll do something the mafia wouldn't do! they'll never suspect it!" only that tends to happen in ways that are pretty predictable, or at least retroactively observable
And sometimes they "I'll do the OPPOSITE!" and all or they're just a villager playing poorly or whatever. But you gotta go with the odds and often you catch people making some common telling mistakes.
They're mistakes because they aren't intentional, they're not always things you can avoid easily.
based on what you're saying a it seems like lot of mafia tactics seem to boil down to "I'll do something the mafia wouldn't do! they'll never suspect it!" only that tends to happen in ways that are pretty predictable, or at least retroactively observable
well you're going to get endlessly reductive, eventually, going that route. The way to make the best decisions in picking mafia is to use some set of logical assumptions and apply them to how people are acting.
Is it possible that I saw anialos getting voted and told my mafia compatriots to jump on the sega wagon that I had set up earlier? Sure, maybe I wanted to try and subvert people's expectations of what a mafia would do.
It really is a poor plan, though, for a lot of reasons, and isn't something I would do as mafia. It's too risky.
And mainly it is "shake a lead and see what happens" for me at least. The reason I tried to vote out Anialos instead of you Skull Man is because when I pushed on a little lead, he started scrambling and kept convincing more and more that there was something to it.
Why did he scramble so bad? I don't know but he died for it and was mafia so there you go.
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vertroueI am FemaleTotes Not a SithRegistered Userregular
Sorry guys the reason I stayed on Sega was because in the past people get voted on for the random jumping of wagons. I stayed on sega instead of jumping around that night in order to not get hit with that one. As I have been hit with that before.
Blood and Fire
From the Desk of Darth Vertroue Diplomat to the USA.
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Gonna be going over some shit here and making another post, but in the mean time:
Died last night:
Anialos Voted off
corvidae Killed by SK? Kime Killed by mafia
Retaba Killed by mafia
Shalmelo Killed by ?? (Prototype weaponry)
Capfalcon Plague death
The walking dead: jdarksun
Ross Henshaw CORVIDAE cursed under his breath. That bitch had scrubbed his mission. Running a terrorist organization was so much harder than running the Entertainment Department. You'd think, what with the smaller cells and the clearly defined goals, that everyone would be on the same page. Well, the problem wasn't so much his people as it was the tenacity of those people. And their so-called help turned out to be-
He stopped.
"Attention! Attention! Please minimize contact with Douglas Bravner JDARKSUN, it seems he has come down with a bad case of the sickness and-"
That bastard. He ignored the tinny, traitorous robot on the speakers and stared at the destablized innards of Dirk Burr SHALMELO, complete with military getup. Those damned corporate rats have gone cannibal, he thought. They are willing to mutilate their own just to demoralize my cell? Well it won't work. He scoffed at the dead body. On further notice, whoever had done this had made great care to ensure that rigor mortis would give the Director a big, goofy smile. Extra detail had been made to shove the eyeballs back....disgusting. And they had taken his hand and...
...
"Good work, Cybrid."
It pointed up?
"New target acquired."
"Confederate brothers, it is not all bad news. We have acquired..."
So, the narration says to me that Shalmelo's death was not mafia. If corvidae saw the dead body and thought it was the village who did it, then who was it? The body was positioned in a way to point up to the ceiling.. where I guess the SK was waiting to pounce on corvidae and kill him. Whenever we see "CLASSIFIED" that's an SK kill.
But Shalmelo's death is confusing. It sounds from the narration like it was also the SK who killed him. The SK acquired the prototype weaponry and now has 2 kills per night, by my reckoning.
Looking at day 2 on magic box, I'm curious what Shabooty has to say about his position, coming in on top of SeGaTai and (perhaps circumstantially) pulling Analios out of the fire at the last minute. He was the 16th person to hop on the Analios bandwagon on day 3, and by that point that train had already run away from the mafia and I think they knew it. (Corvidae even voted for Analios, and early, no less.)
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I suspect he is actually a rogue Vocaloid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Dqb6uJ8WY
That...that makes so much sense.
Zithra Melitch in Star Wars: An Empire's End
Jellica in In the Shadow of Zeus
Good news is that Retaba was only a "special" in that he had a one-time use plague vaccine. At least, that is what it sounded like. I guess the mafia has it now.
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Or.. shouldn't? I think it would work like a guard power. You use it on someone already plagued so they don't die.
I don't think it would have to be used on someone ahead of time so if they did get infected it didn't infect them. I could be wrong. I guess both seem viable, but the second option would be very difficult to pull off.
If option 1 is right, we know whoever suddenly dodges death-by-plague is mafia. They could use it on a plagued villager to fool us, but why? That villager would have been dead that night anyway, and they just delay it a day.
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Tomorrow.
More tomorrow.
Sure go ahead but wouldnt we be better served by looking at the late day 2 votes for segatai?
Here Ill do it for you the last 4 votes on sega:
Post #766, red by vertroue on SeGaTai from Shiny New Toys (SeGaTai)
Post #807, red by Anialos on SeGaTai from Shiny New Toys (!SeGaTai)
Post #814, red by corvidae on SeGaTai from Citizen (SeGaTai)
Post #835, red by Shabooty on SeGaTai (SeGaTai)
You might note that two of those died last night as mafia, vertroue im not sure about her vote was quite a bit earlier before there was much of a bandwagon on Anialos but Shabooty was the deciding vote so it would be interesting to hear his side of the story. Theres also the throwaway votes which I admit I am included in but I think I'm going to look at Malkor for now because he has had nothing but throwaway votes up to this point and made that random comment about Infi and anialos being in cahoots to distract everyone.
attention passengers! tonight we're having a special activity! it's a scavenger hunt! can someone please locate my torso?!
OOOoooOOOOooooOOOOoooo
yeah,i was actually almost convinced at the end that he was village just because he kept arguing with such an impossible to beat lead.
It's not MY fault that you decided to play TTA drunk! :P
Confusion will be my epitaph
A list of things, should you be of the gifting persuasion
My precious torso!
Quiet, Corv (or possibly anteater #1), we're deducing things.
So that's, uh
Me
And other people!
SeGaTai: 8 (KetBra, Langly, Gaslight, 38thDoe, vertroue, Anialos, corvidae, Shabooty)
Anialos was obviously trying to save himself.
Corv is definetly mafia and quite dead already
Ketbras name has been tossed around for a bit
And Langly who is "trustworthy"
vertroue I cant get a bead on, mostly just seeing her RP posts and and not much contribution finding the mafia
Gaslight called me ugly and should die for that, otherwise hes seems to be contributing to the discussion
38thdoe I dont even remember being in the game. I cant think of one memorable post. Same with shabooty, really.
Does anyone know the timestaps? I thank Ani was actually the last vote for seg and it was tied before hand.
But mojo and dumpshock seem decent just from general behavior.
Corv was mafia. And saying somthing like "hey guys lets all trust langly" would be a good way to get the bandwagon going to save anialos. I guess his vote came way later in the day than I was expecting. But my suspicions of Langly are only growing at this point.
Then there is the strange comment from egos day 1:
Now to me, it really looks like egos knew corv was mafia. And that their votes on each other was somthing that he would need to point out to distance himself from corv later on.
you seem to have quite a lot on the ball!
Akimbo already said it. The association that is making you suspicious Bedlam I think to most of us is actually making him look less suspicious.
That is more of a tactic of "Langly is to blame for my vote" rather than "I'm mafia and I need an excuse to vote oh hey I'll use another mafia to excuse it." The latter is not a very effective tactic since it just gets all your asses killed.
And sometimes they "I'll do the OPPOSITE!" and all or they're just a villager playing poorly or whatever. But you gotta go with the odds and often you catch people making some common telling mistakes.
They're mistakes because they aren't intentional, they're not always things you can avoid easily.
well you're going to get endlessly reductive, eventually, going that route. The way to make the best decisions in picking mafia is to use some set of logical assumptions and apply them to how people are acting.
Is it possible that I saw anialos getting voted and told my mafia compatriots to jump on the sega wagon that I had set up earlier? Sure, maybe I wanted to try and subvert people's expectations of what a mafia would do.
It really is a poor plan, though, for a lot of reasons, and isn't something I would do as mafia. It's too risky.
Why did he scramble so bad? I don't know but he died for it and was mafia so there you go.
From the Desk of Darth Vertroue Diplomat to the USA.
Bring out your dead!
OOooOOooooOO
Died last night:
Anialos Voted off
corvidae Killed by SK?
Kime Killed by mafia
Retaba Killed by mafia
Shalmelo Killed by ?? (Prototype weaponry)
Capfalcon Plague death
The walking dead: jdarksun
So, the narration says to me that Shalmelo's death was not mafia. If corvidae saw the dead body and thought it was the village who did it, then who was it? The body was positioned in a way to point up to the ceiling.. where I guess the SK was waiting to pounce on corvidae and kill him. Whenever we see "CLASSIFIED" that's an SK kill.
But Shalmelo's death is confusing. It sounds from the narration like it was also the SK who killed him. The SK acquired the prototype weaponry and now has 2 kills per night, by my reckoning.
He also hasn't been posting much, has late-bandwagoned every vote, and at least passively tried to defend Analios during Infidel's inquisition.
A list of things, should you be of the gifting persuasion
He was the best assistant a cook could have. And he had some pretty sweet shit I mean a particle shield. Seriously?
A list of things, should you be of the gifting persuasion
assuming that's a relative standard for a balanced game, we should be looking at around 7-8 mafia for this game, correct?
so with 3 down, that leaves 4-5
or am I assuming too much
You broke the magic box!
And Baidol had two mafia factions.
so more likely 7 left, then, assuming they're one faction?
would having more factions mean there were more or less