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[Phalla] Game Over! Way to go killer p.50 The Unfortunate Voyage of the Harbinger

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  • AkimboLegsAkimboLegs Registered User regular
    The defense of egos predicated on his voting for anialos doesn't hold water. In Tijuana he frequently was an early voter for fellow mafia, even when they were against the kosh.

  • InfidelInfidel It's not Infidel, it's INNNNNFIDELRegistered User regular
    The SK is where my tactics usually don't work, since they have no reason to demonstrate connections or direct the vote, except in their own direct defense which is natural and not condemning if you're acting fine.

    Seer should focus on finding the SK right now imo.

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  • FiggyFiggy Registered User regular
    Re: Shabooty

    Well, with six total posts, he fits my "mafia are often hilariously inactive" stereotype. Posts with 20 minutes until vote close on Day 1, "Oh no! I forgot to vote!" Random post the next day for activity. His Day 2 SeGaTai vote is funny, because he jumps on the wagon to distract from the Anialos vote. And guess who his wagon-mates are? Anialos and corvidae. And then? Defends Anialos in his argument against the wagon on him. But by 8:40 PM, it's too late. He votes Anialos.

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  • InfidelInfidel It's not Infidel, it's INNNNNFIDELRegistered User regular
    Yep, Shabooty definitely has plenty for us to work with so that's where I'm heading today.

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  • NullzoneNullzone Tabletop [E] Registered User regular
    Didn't we lose the Seer on night 1 lol?

    That's what I inferred from the narration.

  • FiggyFiggy Registered User regular
    Shipoopi

    Oops.

    I meant Shabooty

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  • FiggyFiggy Registered User regular
    Nullzone wrote: »
    Didn't we lose the Seer on night 1 lol?

    That's what I inferred from the narration.

    We lost a seer on Day 1. It's assumed we have another.

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  • PhyphorPhyphor Registered User regular
    Nullzone wrote: »
    Didn't we lose the Seer on night 1 lol?

    That's what I inferred from the narration.

    I think we're hoping there's a second one, or a backup of some sort

  • Skull ManSkull Man Registered User regular
    works for me, the argument stronger than the hunch-argument against egos

    shabooty

  • Smoove OperatorSmoove Operator Registered User
    Gaslight wrote: »
    Alright, don't buy into the idea of Shabooty being a mistaken Corv drunkvote or whatever, but he gets my vote for the general lack of activity, voting late on the SeGa wagon on day 2 (and putting responsibility for it on somebody else), and voting late on the Anialos wagon when it was long since a foregone conclusion on day 3.

    If you don't buy the drunkvote theory, then why is the remaining reasoning better than a Daniant vote?

    Also, how many syllables are in "Smoove"? If its 2 syllables, I may be in trouble under the "Syllable Theory" posited by Alegis. I may be double mafia.

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  • Smoove OperatorSmoove Operator Registered User
    Figgy wrote: »
    Re: Shabooty

    Well, with six total posts, he fits my "mafia are often hilariously inactive" stereotype. Posts with 20 minutes until vote close on Day 1, "Oh no! I forgot to vote!" Random post the next day for activity. His Day 2 SeGaTai vote is funny, because he jumps on the wagon to distract from the Anialos vote. And guess who his wagon-mates are? Anialos and corvidae. And then? Defends Anialos in his argument against the wagon on him. But by 8:40 PM, it's too late. He votes Anialos.

    Welp, ok. Disregard the actual game related question in my last post. Unless you are Shabooty. That dude should think on it.

    Also, SIAP, but Dani is a girl.

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  • InfidelInfidel It's not Infidel, it's INNNNNFIDELRegistered User regular
    Skull Man wrote: »
    works for me, the argument stronger than the hunch-argument against egos

    Especially since the Egos vote is an argued connection with corv, but ignoring that Egos called out Anialos originally, so the Egos arguments are kinda suspicious.

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  • AkimboLegsAkimboLegs Registered User regular
    jdarksun wrote: »
    AkimboLegs wrote: »
    The defense of egos predicated on his voting for anialos doesn't hold water. In Tijuana he frequently was an early voter for fellow mafia, even when they were against the kosh.
    "...against the kosh."?

    I meant under, and my phone corrected it to kosh from cosh.

  • DumpShockDumpShock Registered User regular
    Going to go with the flow today and leave the analysis to the people far better at it than I.
    Shabooty

  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    Nullzone wrote: »
    Didn't we lose the Seer on night 1 lol?

    That's what I inferred from the narration.

    A psychic could be anything, it just lends itself to seer the easiest.

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  • godmodegodmode Registered User regular
    Infidel wrote: »
    It makes daniant more suspicious but I think we have even better odds in the votes still. The daniant connection is a day 1 throwaway but I wanted to be sure people didn't forget about it if I died.

    I love how in every phalla I've played with you, you always try to have a plan in place in case you die :P

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    he has to

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  • BedlamBedlam Registered User regular
    Infidel wrote: »
    Skull Man wrote: »
    works for me, the argument stronger than the hunch-argument against egos

    Especially since the Egos vote is an argued connection with corv, but ignoring that Egos called out Anialos originally, so the Egos arguments are kinda suspicious.
    Egos also called out corv early.

    Its a tactic he employs while mafia to make himself look good.

    It was also done by munkus in Ace Attorny Phalla when he was the only one to suspect Mr Def. It is definetly a thing mafia do.

  • vertrouevertroue I am Female Fools.Registered User regular
    Da he 'as to. To vatch him die though, that is enterrtaining to zee.

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  • InfidelInfidel It's not Infidel, it's INNNNNFIDELRegistered User regular
    Bedlam wrote: »
    Infidel wrote: »
    Skull Man wrote: »
    works for me, the argument stronger than the hunch-argument against egos

    Especially since the Egos vote is an argued connection with corv, but ignoring that Egos called out Anialos originally, so the Egos arguments are kinda suspicious.
    Egos also called out corv early.

    Its a tactic he employs while mafia to make himself look good.

    It was also done by munkus in Ace Attorny Phalla when he was the only one to suspect Mr Def. It is definetly a thing mafia do.

    So anytime you successfully vote out a mafia, you need to kill the one who did it?

    Really?

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  • PhyphorPhyphor Registered User regular
    Kill everyone else

  • vertrouevertroue I am Female Fools.Registered User regular
    May thee odds ever be in your favor...teheheheheh...Skips away, back to med bay!

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  • InfidelInfidel It's not Infidel, it's INNNNNFIDELRegistered User regular
    The "buying cred" seems rather silly of an argument as something Egos does and did.

    If you cite an example, you'll probably find that it involved (a) inactive mafia victim or (b) resurrection mechanics. Throwing your mafia brothers under the bus to buy cred is a poor poor plan.

    The times it makes sense is when you're going to lose someone anyways, so put yourself in a strong position against them, like starting a wagon whole-cloth.

    If only we had an inactive mafia this very game that could have been thrown under the bus.

    Oh wait, we did, and Egos did the opposite of buying cred. His stance was "let them die to inactivity instead of wasting a vig" which they would have.

    Are people intentionally arguing in bad faith?

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    I think bedlam got burnt previously and now is just like don't trust anyone ever unless they are host confirmed through a seering or death.

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  • Skull ManSkull Man Registered User regular
    "intentionally arguing in bad faith" is pretty much the definition of mafia behavior, so that's not exceptionally surprising

    but it is enlightening

  • FiggyFiggy Registered User regular
    To be fair, Maximus wasn't dead yet.

    He could have

    1) Come back in time to make a post, saving himself from an inactivity death

    or

    2) Been replaced instead of killed. There were 2 reserves, and I'm assuming the chance of being replaced or killed was up to the RNG.

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  • InfidelInfidel It's not Infidel, it's INNNNNFIDELRegistered User regular
    Figgy wrote: »
    To be fair, Maximus wasn't dead yet.

    He could have

    1) Come back in time to make a post, saving himself from an inactivity death

    or

    2) Been replaced instead of killed. There were 2 reserves, and I'm assuming the chance of being replaced or killed was up to the RNG.

    The argument is "if you are going to kill one of your mafia allies, why would you choose someone active over someone inactive?"

    Not that he's innocent for not doing it.

    I like the cognitive disconnect that Infidel is "practically confirmed" and Egos is "throwing someone under the bus" for the equivalent actions. We both supported a wagon on Anialos before there was one and it came from us.

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    yeah, if you support the egos argument, you are in effect also saying that infidel is also pretty suspicious.

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  • EgosEgos God Hand Registered User regular
    Bedlam wrote: »
    Infidel wrote: »
    Skull Man wrote: »
    works for me, the argument stronger than the hunch-argument against egos

    Especially since the Egos vote is an argued connection with corv, but ignoring that Egos called out Anialos originally, so the Egos arguments are kinda suspicious.
    Egos also called out corv early.

    Its a tactic he employs while mafia to make himself look good.

    It was also done by munkus in Ace Attorny Phalla when he was the only one to suspect Mr Def. It is definetly a thing mafia do.

    To be fair Bedlam. It was a game where the network where had a "good mafia" e.g. the good guys were fucking networked. You had votes on you already and it was day fucking 4 or 3. You need to get over someone trying to get in a good position on a wagon in a game where survival was a viable option for the mafia.

  • AlegisAlegis Impeckable Registered User regular
    Well I for one am going to bed. Good night!


    (Translation: I may not have made 4 posts, I think this is number 4?)

  • EgosEgos God Hand Registered User regular
    By networked I mean literally there was a "good mafia". 4 or so good specials with powers who were masoned from the start and there were other good guys.. We were literally fucked and we just needed to make sure one person was dead by a certain time point, buying time on day 3 was a smart choice. Getting on a wagon... when there a rolecall basically after outed specials made their move wasn't a dumb choice. It isn't the same as throwing your friends to the wolves :P

  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    Alegis wrote: »
    Well I for one am going to bed. Good night!


    (Translation: I may not have made 4 posts, I think this is number 4?)

    Wait, did he say today was the 4 post day?

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  • InfidelInfidel It's not Infidel, it's INNNNNFIDELRegistered User regular
    Make posts.

    Every day.

    Make all the posts.

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  • REG RyskREG Rysk Lord Rageface Rageington Registered User regular
    Infidel wrote: »
    The "buying cred" seems rather silly of an argument as something Egos does and did.

    If you cite an example, you'll probably find that it involved (a) inactive mafia victim or (b) resurrection mechanics. Throwing your mafia brothers under the bus to buy cred is a poor poor plan.

    The times it makes sense is when you're going to lose someone anyways, so put yourself in a strong position against them, like starting a wagon whole-cloth.

    If only we had an inactive mafia this very game that could have been thrown under the bus.

    Oh wait, we did, and Egos did the opposite of buying cred. His stance was "let them die to inactivity instead of wasting a vig" which they would have.

    Are people intentionally arguing in bad faith?

    Mini of Brass: Mafia sells out @simonwolf who had the weakest of powers on day 1 or two in order to solidify REG Rysk as network head and seer. Existence of a roleblock confirmed his inability to be helpful later in the game. This nearly led to a mafia victory if not for THE WITCH. In retrospect not a good practice to win the game, but DAMN funny to watch the village squirm when I died mafia.

  • REG RyskREG Rysk Lord Rageface Rageington Registered User regular
    Also, I do put stock in your argument. But if Egos lives til the later stages of the game I will be coming back to him in case this is true and in the event that there are no other valid targets to look at.

    shabooty for posterity, though I expect him to win the vote with extra vigor now that Infidel has endorsed him as the target.

  • AkimboLegsAkimboLegs Registered User regular
    jdarksun wrote: »
    AkimboLegs wrote: »
    jdarksun wrote: »
    AkimboLegs wrote: »
    The defense of egos predicated on his voting for anialos doesn't hold water. In Tijuana he frequently was an early voter for fellow mafia, even when they were against the kosh.
    "...against the kosh."?
    I meant under, and my phone corrected it to kosh from cosh.
    If anything "under the cosh" is somehow more cryptic.

    Oh, sorry, it just means under pressure.

  • AkimboLegsAkimboLegs Registered User regular
    Infidel wrote: »
    Bedlam wrote: »
    Infidel wrote: »
    Skull Man wrote: »
    works for me, the argument stronger than the hunch-argument against egos

    Especially since the Egos vote is an argued connection with corv, but ignoring that Egos called out Anialos originally, so the Egos arguments are kinda suspicious.
    Egos also called out corv early.

    Its a tactic he employs while mafia to make himself look good.

    It was also done by munkus in Ace Attorny Phalla when he was the only one to suspect Mr Def. It is definetly a thing mafia do.

    So anytime you successfully vote out a mafia, you need to kill the one who did it?

    Really?

    We aren't arguing that EVERY time it happens. We're saying that egos has done it at least twice, it sounds like, so its fair to claim egos may be doing it again?

    He also might not be, but I actually think it's a much stronger link than people are giving credit for.

  • InfidelInfidel It's not Infidel, it's INNNNNFIDELRegistered User regular
    REG Rysk wrote: »
    Infidel wrote: »
    The "buying cred" seems rather silly of an argument as something Egos does and did.

    If you cite an example, you'll probably find that it involved (a) inactive mafia victim or (b) resurrection mechanics. Throwing your mafia brothers under the bus to buy cred is a poor poor plan.

    The times it makes sense is when you're going to lose someone anyways, so put yourself in a strong position against them, like starting a wagon whole-cloth.

    If only we had an inactive mafia this very game that could have been thrown under the bus.

    Oh wait, we did, and Egos did the opposite of buying cred. His stance was "let them die to inactivity instead of wasting a vig" which they would have.

    Are people intentionally arguing in bad faith?

    Mini of Brass: Mafia sells out @simonwolf who had the weakest of powers on day 1 or two in order to solidify REG Rysk as network head and seer. Existence of a roleblock confirmed his inability to be helpful later in the game. This nearly led to a mafia victory if not for THE WITCH. In retrospect not a good practice to win the game, but DAMN funny to watch the village squirm when I died mafia.

    You could iterate several other instances in past games where something out of the ordinary made it a reasonable move.

    No one is citing one or supporting such here, so I wonder what it is?

    Sacrificing your own to become the "seer head" is damn risky when the other seer(s) are out there. We only did it in Venture Bros way back because we had unique mafia roles/powers and we had our thrall be the one to "reveal."

    But without any reason to suspect mafia have personal powers (the results give us clues to powers for specials, but not any for mafia), what is the justification of trading one for one?

    So that Egos could be the network head? He isn't.

    Without at least some motivation postulated in your argument, then you expect us to follow the logic to being suspicious of anyone who bandwagons a mafia, which is absurd.

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    REG Rysk wrote: »
    Infidel wrote: »
    The "buying cred" seems rather silly of an argument as something Egos does and did.

    If you cite an example, you'll probably find that it involved (a) inactive mafia victim or (b) resurrection mechanics. Throwing your mafia brothers under the bus to buy cred is a poor poor plan.

    The times it makes sense is when you're going to lose someone anyways, so put yourself in a strong position against them, like starting a wagon whole-cloth.

    If only we had an inactive mafia this very game that could have been thrown under the bus.

    Oh wait, we did, and Egos did the opposite of buying cred. His stance was "let them die to inactivity instead of wasting a vig" which they would have.

    Are people intentionally arguing in bad faith?

    Mini of Brass: Mafia sells out @simonwolf who had the weakest of powers on day 1 or two in order to solidify REG Rysk as network head and seer. Existence of a roleblock confirmed his inability to be helpful later in the game. This nearly led to a mafia victory if not for THE WITCH. In retrospect not a good practice to win the game, but DAMN funny to watch the village squirm when I died mafia.

    doot doooo

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  • Shiny New ToysShiny New Toys Registered User regular
    As someone who had been looking forward to this phalla and then it hitting at such at bad time work wise I sympathize with daniant

    Also bedlam <3 for remembering the all the ladies.

    shabooty
    This smacks of me jumping on a bandwagon And to be honest it kind of is but I have read through the posts and agree with the arguments put forward.

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