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[Bitching Thread VI] A Brand New Day (for bitching)

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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    Being a douche is what John Byrne does best

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Yeah that was a terrible

    terrible

    terrible story

  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Like

    it's arguably the worst Avengers story that isn't the Carol Danvers raped by her own super-aged son story

    which is frankly insane

  • TexiKenTexiKen Registered User regular
    Carol's story is still the worst, followed by The Crossing, and everything Bob Harras wrote in the 90's because Black Knight was a Marty Sue. Force Works forever.

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  • CadeCade Registered User regular
    Anyone got a good idea at what point people started to say..."Hey that Byrne guy, he's kinda a dick".

  • ArrynArryn Ask not the Innkeeper For destiny is thy name!Registered User regular
    Too late. People started saying that when he killed Guardian in Alpha Flight, or dicked around with the Doom Patrol, or ... you get the idea.

  • CadeCade Registered User regular
    That's what I mean, I know people view him as a dick for a long time.

    I'm merely wondering what point he went from amazing awesome writer/artist to "WTF is wrong with him".

  • CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    Goddamn it. If half the comics I want aren't available why the fuck do I bother going to a LCS??

  • TexiKenTexiKen Registered User regular
    I'd say after X-Men The Hidden Years was cancelled and Spider-Man Chapter One was poorly received. That firmly established Byrne as the old guard compared to Quesada and Jemas and Nu Marvel.

    I think he's still a good artist, and his writing still varies (Cold War was a good story, Next Men seems well received).

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  • GaslightGaslight It's not your fault Video games are amazingRegistered User regular
    SightTDW wrote: »
    Gaslight wrote: »
    Munch wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    Munch you're making another robot cry right now
    Spoiler:

    Spoiler:

    Atomic Robo is the best robot. In part because Brian Clevinger has specifically discussed this as the Bender and Data archetypes that define virtually all fictional robots/cyborgs/androids, ignoring that there are infinite other options than variations on those two extremes.

    Well. I love Atomic Robo, but Robo is basically written as a metallic, slightly-more-responsible Deadpool. He's quite different from most robot/android characters, yes, but he's hardly breaking new ground in subtle and complex characterization.

    I just thought I'd mention that the phrase "metallic, slightly-more-responsible-Deadpool" got me impulse buy the first volume just a few minutes ago.

    I'm glad I could help.

    As for Vision, I feel sort of like he's the Avengers counterpart of Martian Manhunter. I want to like them both very much, but there's so little meaningful done with either. (Still haven't been able to get my hands on the MM Others Among Us trade.)

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  • ArrynArryn Ask not the Innkeeper For destiny is thy name!Registered User regular
    TexiKen wrote: »
    I'd say after X-Men The Hidden Years was cancelled and Spider-Man Chapter One was poorly received. That firmly established Byrne as the old guard compared to Quesada and Jemas and Nu Marvel.

    I think he's still a good artist, and his writing still varies (Cold War was a good story, Next Men seems well received).

    yeah, that's about the same time he did Superman/Batman: Generations (which was decent) and his JLA Doom Patrol arc (which was not).

    I still can't decide if his Doom Patrol arc or Claremont's Vampire "X" arc were the worst in the JLA run.

    EDIT: as far as plots go that is, I know they worked together on one of those.

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  • initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    Hensler wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    t least when Captain Atom went crazy and rehabbed, he only killed a bunch of people on some multiverse no one cared for,

    :(

    I still think number of the beast is one of my favorite events and world's end was a fantastic setup so... at least two of us cared about that multiverse.

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  • DelduwathDelduwath Registered User regular
    I started getting into it in the MOTW thread when I realized I should reign myself in and not harsh anyone's buzz in there too much, so I'll bring it here: I'm disappointed with Fraction's Mighty Thor. I've said before how I didn't like his characterization of Thor (which to me seems more a strong-headed, arrogant prince of the gods than the wise and thoughtful king of the gods I've come to expect since Avengers Disassembled: Thor [the only thing about Disassembled that I actually liked], and indeed the one I saw in JMS's and Gillen's runs), but the most recent issue disappointed me on even a technical level.

    This is especially sad because I really dug his Thor: Secret Invasion tie-in.

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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Arryn wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    w

    why wouldn't he have teeth?

    He is an android designed to look human

    I've never really seen him in comic before and the way he appeared made me think he was made of metal or something. The teeth just weirded me out.

    He's still a "synthezoid" right? Which used to mean that he was an exact replica of a human, but his parts were made from synthetic materials. Thus he still had like, muscle fibers, but they were all super strong plastics and what not.

    Been awhile since I was deep in the Avengers end of the pool, so no idea if that's still the case since they brought him back.

    Yeah I never knew that and now have several questions. Not the least of which being what the hell was Magneto threatening him with then? Is Vision made of metal?

    Are all the variation in color his skin tone? If so why?

    Man, Pym is weird.

  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    When you think about it, Magneto and Hank Pym and all of their crazy kin are part of the same extended family thanks to Vision and Wanda's marriage. If only you could throw Scott Summers and his alternate universe future kids into the mix to really fuck things up.

  • TexiKenTexiKen Registered User regular
    You can, when Alex and Lorna get married and she doesn't go crazy during the wedding ceremony again!

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    I look forward to seeing their alternate dimension magical cyborg grandchildren!

  • ArrynArryn Ask not the Innkeeper For destiny is thy name!Registered User regular
    Is Lorna really Magneto's kid now? First she thought she was, then she wasn't, then she was ...

    I guess I do remember the last time I was into X-men, she was trying to do some family bonding in some bizarre way.

  • TexiKenTexiKen Registered User regular
    Yeah, it was one of the few things Austen wrote that was actually good, she is his third child.

    edit: and all three of them have gone crazy, that's his true mutant gene.

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  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Registered User regular
    Arryn wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    w

    why wouldn't he have teeth?

    He is an android designed to look human

    I've never really seen him in comic before and the way he appeared made me think he was made of metal or something. The teeth just weirded me out.

    He's still a "synthezoid" right? Which used to mean that he was an exact replica of a human, but his parts were made from synthetic materials. Thus he still had like, muscle fibers, but they were all super strong plastics and what not.

    Been awhile since I was deep in the Avengers end of the pool, so no idea if that's still the case since they brought him back.

    Yeah I never knew that and now have several questions. Not the least of which being what the hell was Magneto threatening him with then? Is Vision made of metal?

    Are all the variation in color his skin tone? If so why?

    Man, Pym is weird.

    Pym didn't make the Vision.

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  • AntimatterAntimatter Registered User regular
    but he made Ultron who made the Vision

    so it's at least partly his fault that the Vision looks absurd

  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    I dunno if that's true

    after all Pym never intended for Ultron to make anyone else in the first place

    never mind what fashion sense it would give them

  • herojoeherojoe IndianapolisRegistered User regular
    Pym made Ultron? He's even more of an idiot than I thought.

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    you

    you didn't know that?

    it's like

    his defining character feature

  • TurambarTurambar Registered User regular
    herojoe wrote: »
    Pym made Ultron? He's even more of an idiot than I thought.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus The machine is broken. The universe is broken.Registered User regular
    Pym means well

    it's just that sometimes that leads to things like having sex with a robot programmed with your dead ex-wife's personality

  • The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    I love pym so much

  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    yeah Pym is great

    Mighty Avengers was the book it was because of Pym

    I love EMH Pym too

    but for different reason

  • AriviaArivia Registered User
    Solar wrote: »
    you

    you didn't know that?

    it's like

    his defining character feature

    I thought his defining character feature was the back of his right hand

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  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Registered User regular
    Ugh.

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  • HenslerHensler Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Mighty Avengers was the book it was because of Pym

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Apparently

    he was never, in the script, supposed to even lay a hand on her

    but the artist misread it and it turned out like it did

    funny how the smallest thing can lead to a characters entire perception shifting

  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    The way I heard it heard it he was just supposed to shove her out of the way and artist back then always took the most dramatic reading.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Pym means well

    it's just that sometimes that leads to things like having sex with a robot programmed with your dead ex-wife's personality

    It's been implied he is mentally unstable. I got that from Busiek's run.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Apparently

    he was never, in the script, supposed to even lay a hand on her

    but the artist misread it and it turned out like it did

    funny how the smallest thing can lead to a characters entire perception shifting

    It got worse when Austin & Millar decided Pym was a complete monster.

  • The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    pym's got brain problems and is a scientist who has no right being left unchecked

    he just is so bad at being a hero

    and I love him for it

  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    yeah it really is fantastic

    he is the worst super-hero ever

  • AriviaArivia Registered User
    Yeah, Henry Pym is probably my favourite super-scientist in Marvel

    I just had to make the joke anyway

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  • WeaverWeaver Cap'n NEW CRUNCH CITYRegistered User regular
    While banging your robot grand-daughter with the brainwaves of your dead ex-wife, you then build an infinite mansion in the extra-dimensional ghost form of your dead ex-wife, and then continue banging the robot grand-daughter in the mansion inside your wife.

    I fucking love Pym.

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  • The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    high five weaver

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