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Well, after the first 10 or so episodes, but that was more on the writers. Season 1 was more Joel McHale centered with the Pudi/Glover team providing backup, I think season 2 made them the focus and the most indispensable, and this year it's Jacobs. Not to disparage the work of Alison Brie or Yvette Nicole Brown, who have been excellent (Brie more so because the writers write better stuff for Annie, when called upon Brown is great).
You know, I was kind of rubbed the wrong way by how Harmon acted on the S1 commentaries, how he kept bragging about pulling shit out of his ass at the last minute, and the breakdown he did of S2 on the AV Club was grating because he kept whinging about his heartbreaking work of staggering genius that is Community, but this takes the cake of cry baby, spoiled bullshit.
You have an actor walk off, yeah, you should talk to him about that, fuck you can even chew him a new one IN PRIVATE. That's like, lesson one in How to be a Good Boss. You don't have a circle jerk session at a wrap party in front of his family and then show the response tape around to your buddies until its leaked on the internet.
Chevy Chase may be a pain to work with, but I'd never want to work for Dan Harmon if he acts like this all the time.
Also - and this is more of a stab - it seemed like the cast always let Dan talk when he wanted to, as if they'd learned to Just Give Him What He Wants. I liked him, but that vibe was ominous.
It seems like plenty of evidence of misconduct on Dan's end. It just depends if Chevy can get some witnesses. Since he has been around for a while, he may have some pull. Either that or he could use his connections to make things difficult for Dan. That is just speculation of course.
Brilliant.
Dan isn't the only one who complains about Chevy on commentaries though. There are times when the other actors bag on him as well, and in the commentaries he basically says he has no clue what's going on in the show, and he seems pretty dismissive of the other people on them as well.
But I'll end up siding with Harmon because I like Community more than I like Chase.
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Really?
Because that wouldn't have surprised me at all. Being funny does not automatically mean you're a nice person.
Hmm, I guess if he quits he could sue for hostile workplace, but just being an asshole isn't really a thing you can sue people for. At least, God I hope it isn't or I need to lawyer the fuck up.
Any chance you could dig a link up?
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
In nearly every commentary I've heard that features a cast/crew mix, the creative force (showrunner, director, writer, etc.) tends to dominate the discussion while the cast defers to him/her. Generally, they just seem to have more to say. I think you're reading something into that that isn't there.
I think that it's a fair point with Harmon though, he generally just always wants to talk about his Special Baby. Maybe it's because it's his first show on network tv, I don't know, but his attitude with Community is fairly grating.
But...so do most showrunners, directors, etc.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Dan Harmon in the specific case of how he acted towards Chevy (especially at the wrap party, which was shitty and unprofessional), but shitting on him for doing something on commentaries that's fairly par for course (ie. a creative force talking in-depth and at length about what he's created) and going "LOOK! SEE WHAT A DICK HE IS!" seems like a reach.
I wouldn't say that his actions here are pretty par for the course, this one is sort of the domino that shook the cradle. But you are right that Harmon in general is par for the course, but I think he crossed a line in this instance.
To put it another way, none of the show runners I really respect act like this*.
*As far as we know, admittedly, but I feel like this thing is pretty likely to get out.
Because his career since like... Vegas Vacation had been nothing except playing evil Steve Jobs for three episodes on Chuck. And getting the shit torn out of him on a Comedy Central roast and the SNL oral history.
That's what happens when a person stops being funny.
You'd think he would at least appreciate having work.
this just blows.
I'll say if you want to go event for event, 'actor walking off early' and 'head creator of show calling out actor in front of everyone and goading others to join in', the latter sounds worse.
but, again... I wouldn't even cast blame. this is just a shame.
not too many Dan Harmon stories on fark, so third comment
I mean... I think partly why he sided with that kid in the letter is because he was already predisposed to be against the movie because of what Spielberg did to his initial vision of what it should be. Had he set out to make the movie he wanted and the kid still disliked it, he likely would have sent back something rather snarky (albiet with less cursewords than he would send to you or me on Twitter).
He's a pretty great guy, but he's definitely got his flaws and this is one of them.
Who's Kim?
Yeah, I got this feeling as well.
Sidenote: where are the witness accounts of Dan Harmon telling off Chase at the wrap party?
Is Dan Harmon a douche? Probably.
On the other hand, Community is brilliant.
On the other other hand, you if you want to maintain your brilliant TV shows, then you should know how to get a handle on your actors by now.
Allegedly.
Thriller is allegedly awesome.
Point being, whenever I see an episode of Seinfeld on syndication and Kramer walks in, I immediately think of the Richards racist blow-up. Does it detract from my enjoyable of the show? Not really, but the thought stays there.
This is how I feel.
I don't care what any of these douchenozzles are doing behind the scenes. I'm not watching Chevy Chase and Dan Harmon. I'm watching Community. They aren't a part of Community. Pierce is a part of Community. I'm interested in the end product.
Harmon is just a producer with a creator credit. We say that he "owns" the characters for accounting purpose$, but he has had fuck-all to do with making them funny or likable.
Note that the best episodes of Community were neither directed nor written by Dan Harmon.
In fact, the success of the show has had far more to do with the great ensemble cast and the words they say than the hurf-durfery of Harmon's initial network pitch, "It's a sitcom, but set in a community college!!"