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games "journalism" - submit your shit to orikae already, jesus christ

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    T4CTT4CT BAFTA-NOMINATED NAFTA-APPROVEDRegistered User regular
    Ahem, I believe you're forgetting Asura's Wrath.

    this game was a movie

    a fucking AWESOME movie

    yeah but i wanted to play a game, not watch interactive FMV

    It's worth noting I'm actually a little excited to have this

    But I would not call it a game

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    T4CTT4CT BAFTA-NOMINATED NAFTA-APPROVEDRegistered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    actually Lords of Shadow was made by a Spanish developer

    but anyway Lords of Shadow is a great game so fie to the notion that Konami owns nothing worthwhile

    I would posit the theory that castlevania: lords of shadow is pretty much not a Japanese game at all

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    Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    get ready to mash Y

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    T4CT wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    actually Lords of Shadow was made by a Spanish developer

    but anyway Lords of Shadow is a great game so fie to the notion that Konami owns nothing worthwhile

    I would posit the theory that castlevania: lords of shadow is pretty much not a Japanese game at all

    now come on

    there's a limit to how much you can say "Japan doesn't produce anything good except for the stuff they do"

    if you get to handwave fighting games and Nintendo then the masterpiece that is Lords of Shadow must stay

    -Tal on
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    AneurhythmiaAneurhythmia Registered User regular
    T4CT wrote: »
    let's talk about the ludicrous idea of playing a final fantasy game in 2012

    do you want this article?

    if anyone is the one to write this article it's me

    japan is dead, R.I.P

    Get back to me when America can make a fighting game that doesn't feel like you're controlling glued-together popsicle sticks.

    skullgirls?

    I'll let you know when I can actually play it.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    what was the thinking that went into the aesthetic design of skullgirls

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    T4CTT4CT BAFTA-NOMINATED NAFTA-APPROVEDRegistered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    T4CT wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    actually Lords of Shadow was made by a Spanish developer

    but anyway Lords of Shadow is a great game so fie to the notion that Konami owns nothing worthwhile

    I would posit the theory that castlevania: lords of shadow is pretty much not a Japanese game at all

    now come on

    there's a limit to how much you can say "Japan doesn't produce anything good except for the stuff they do"

    if you get to handwave fighting games and Nintendo then the masterpiece that is Lords of Shadow must stay

    I'm sorry would you like me to refine my statement to 'games that are designed the way Japan designs games are dead'

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    what's so un-Japanese about Lords of Shadow's design?

    or fighting games and Nintendo, for that matter?

    -Tal on
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    OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    Fuck everyone for forgetting about Shadows of the Dammed, Yakuza 3 AND 4, and Ace Combat

    I will be first to agree that Japanese game design as a general philosophy is outdated and tired, but those games kicked ass

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    I guess I'm just confused as to what "Japanese game design" exactly is

    -Tal on
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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Orik I just read your ME3 review

    it is pretty good! Certainly the quality of the writing can't be questioned, or at least I don't think I would want to personally, haha.

    I disagree with some of your points about the game, though they seem to be fairly made and held opinions.

    One criticism I do have is that the thing seemed over before it had really begun. I'm not sure how to word this, but the entire review felt like an introduction, and when I scrolled down and saw I was a paragraph away from the end, it was pretty surprising, I just thought you were going to be doing quite a long piece and I was still near the beginning.

    Maybe it was because you tried to avoid spoilers and mentioning specific things, but it just felt that you held back from really making the points you wanted to because you didn't want to really get into why you thought a specific thing didn't work. I can get your reasoning, and that you wanted it to be spoiler free, but it seems like it would have been better if you had have just gone all out and used all the spoilers you wanted.

    Anyway, I hope that I made sense there, and that you take away a positive feeling from this post. It was, after all, still a good review. I just know you hold yourself to a high standard, so I thought I'd express my feelings on the review in their entirety.

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    StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    I guess I'm just confused as to what "Japanese game design" exactly is

    Yeah, I think we may be talking past each other because everyone is saying those words but never actually defining what they mean.

    For me, the stuff I'm getting really sick of is mostly specific to JRPGs. Teenage protagonists, hackneyed romance subplots that go nowhere until the very end of the game (and sometimes are just left dangling), overly convoluted storylines, villains who want to destroy the world because they are insane/just want to, long cutscenes with no player input, and dialogue that's on the level of a high-schooler's creative writing project.

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    I mean yeah there's a lot of shitty JRPGs this gen

    but there's plenty of good ones too. Xenoblade, Pokemon, Mario & Luigi 2 and 3, Radiant Historia, Demon's and Dark Souls, Persona 4, Valkyria Chronicles

    hell even Square managed The World Ends With You and Dragon Quest 9

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    HunteraHuntera Rude Boy Registered User regular
    Persona 4 was PS2, hardly this generation.

    Also I don't know if I'd count Pokemon as an RPG at all.

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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    There are good teenage jrpg protagonists

    like, 3 of them

    holy trinity

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    OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    @orikaeshigitae

    The AV Club just spun off their own completely games-related site
    I'm sorry Orik, you gave it a good shot

    just another pretender to the throne, as far as I'm concerned

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    StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    Huntera wrote: »
    Persona 4 was PS2, hardly this generation.

    Also I don't know if I'd count Pokemon as an RPG at all.

    Also Pokemon pretty much exemplifies a stagnant Japanese series.

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    EdcrabEdcrab Actually a hack Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    @orikaeshigitae

    The AV Club just spun off their own completely games-related site
    I'm sorry Orik, you gave it a good shot

    just another pretender to the throne, as far as I'm concerned

    Fightin' words

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    I'm not sure what Pokemon would be if not an RPG

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    HunteraHuntera Rude Boy Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    I'm not sure what Pokemon would be if not an RPG

    Turn-Based Strategy game, most likely.

    I mean, what else would you call the battle system it uses?

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    I'd call it a turn-based RPG

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    HunteraHuntera Rude Boy Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    I'd call it a turn-based RPG

    Alright yeah, thinking about the whole leveling a party thing again, I guess I can see that.

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    LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    Huntera wrote: »
    Persona 4 was PS2, hardly this generation.

    Also I don't know if I'd count Pokemon as an RPG at all.

    It came out during this gen, though. It's only a few years old.

    And another quality Shin Megami Tensei game literally just came out.

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    StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Huntera wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    I'm not sure what Pokemon would be if not an RPG

    Turn-Based Strategy game, most likely.

    I mean, what else would you call the battle system it uses?

    Eh...

    I wouldn't really put Pokemon into the same genre as Advance Wars.

    Pokemon is definitely an RPG, I think.

    It's just that there's this weird dichotomy where if you want to enjoy the single-player, you're kind of out of luck, because the battle A.I. is still fairly primitive and the story is basically the same as it was since the first game.

    But if you want to enjoy the multiplayer, you still gotta do a shit-ton of grinding in the single-player.

    And, again, it's been like that since the first game.

    And God help you if your regular battle partners include people who care about EVs and IVs and other insane shit like that.

    Stilts on
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    OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Edcrab wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    @orikaeshigitae

    The AV Club just spun off their own completely games-related site
    I'm sorry Orik, you gave it a good shot

    just another pretender to the throne, as far as I'm concerned

    Fightin' words
    We were there first, and we're still doing it better. AVC is awesome but wildly uneven, and we've got plenty of skills & approaches that they don't.

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    DuxDux A host to DarknessRegistered User regular
    Stilts wrote: »
    Huntera wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    I'm not sure what Pokemon would be if not an RPG

    Turn-Based Strategy game, most likely.

    I mean, what else would you call the battle system it uses?

    Eh...

    I wouldn't really put Pokemon into the same genre as Advance Wars.

    Pokemon is definitely an RPG, I think.

    It's just that there's this weird dichotomy where if you want to enjoy the single-player, you're kind of out of luck, because the battle A.I. is still fairly primitive and the story is basically the same as it was since the first game.

    But if you want to enjoy the multiplayer, you still gotta do a shit-ton of grinding in the single-player.

    And, again, it's been like that since the first game.

    And God help you if your regular battle partners include people who care about EVs and IVs and other insane shit like that.
    There might be an article in this.

    Or how Pokemon is stagnating but people aren't as bored/angry about it as they are with Final Fantasy.

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    RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    Hullis wrote: »
    There are good teenage jrpg protagonists

    like, 3 of them

    holy trinity

    Who are they Hullis, I must know your holy trinity to see how it matches up with mine.

    Everyday we stray further from God's light
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    StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    Dux wrote: »
    Stilts wrote: »
    Huntera wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    I'm not sure what Pokemon would be if not an RPG

    Turn-Based Strategy game, most likely.

    I mean, what else would you call the battle system it uses?

    Eh...

    I wouldn't really put Pokemon into the same genre as Advance Wars.

    Pokemon is definitely an RPG, I think.

    It's just that there's this weird dichotomy where if you want to enjoy the single-player, you're kind of out of luck, because the battle A.I. is still fairly primitive and the story is basically the same as it was since the first game.

    But if you want to enjoy the multiplayer, you still gotta do a shit-ton of grinding in the single-player.

    And, again, it's been like that since the first game.

    And God help you if your regular battle partners include people who care about EVs and IVs and other insane shit like that.
    There might be an article in this.

    Or how Pokemon is stagnating but people aren't as bored/angry about it as they are with Final Fantasy.

    Oh man.

    I would actually have to interview people for that.

    Act like a real journalist and finally use my degree for something I want to do.

    I like it.

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    HunteraHuntera Rude Boy Registered User regular
    Dux wrote: »
    Stilts wrote: »
    Huntera wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    I'm not sure what Pokemon would be if not an RPG

    Turn-Based Strategy game, most likely.

    I mean, what else would you call the battle system it uses?

    Eh...

    I wouldn't really put Pokemon into the same genre as Advance Wars.

    Pokemon is definitely an RPG, I think.

    It's just that there's this weird dichotomy where if you want to enjoy the single-player, you're kind of out of luck, because the battle A.I. is still fairly primitive and the story is basically the same as it was since the first game.

    But if you want to enjoy the multiplayer, you still gotta do a shit-ton of grinding in the single-player.

    And, again, it's been like that since the first game.

    And God help you if your regular battle partners include people who care about EVs and IVs and other insane shit like that.
    There might be an article in this.

    Or how Pokemon is stagnating but people aren't as bored/angry about it as they are with Final Fantasy.

    Probably because they mostly got it right the first time.

    With Gen 4 they hit the nail on the head regarding online play minus a few things, but decided to take that away from Gen 5 for some reason.

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    StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    Radius wrote: »
    Hullis wrote: »
    There are good teenage jrpg protagonists

    like, 3 of them

    holy trinity

    Who are they Hullis, I must know your holy trinity to see how it matches up with mine.

    Yuri from Tales of Vesperia, Stocke from Radiant Historia, and Ike from Breath of Fire.

    Personally, I'd swap out Ike for Zidane from FFIX, partly because I really like Zidane and partly because I haven't played a Breath of Fire that had Ike in it.

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    DuxDux A host to DarknessRegistered User regular
    Stilts wrote: »
    Dux wrote: »
    Stilts wrote: »
    Huntera wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    I'm not sure what Pokemon would be if not an RPG

    Turn-Based Strategy game, most likely.

    I mean, what else would you call the battle system it uses?

    Eh...

    I wouldn't really put Pokemon into the same genre as Advance Wars.

    Pokemon is definitely an RPG, I think.

    It's just that there's this weird dichotomy where if you want to enjoy the single-player, you're kind of out of luck, because the battle A.I. is still fairly primitive and the story is basically the same as it was since the first game.

    But if you want to enjoy the multiplayer, you still gotta do a shit-ton of grinding in the single-player.

    And, again, it's been like that since the first game.

    And God help you if your regular battle partners include people who care about EVs and IVs and other insane shit like that.
    There might be an article in this.

    Or how Pokemon is stagnating but people aren't as bored/angry about it as they are with Final Fantasy.

    Oh man.

    I would actually have to interview people for that.

    Act like a real journalist and finally use my degree for something I want to do.

    I like it.

    Get to it.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    Radius wrote: »
    Hullis wrote: »
    There are good teenage jrpg protagonists

    like, 3 of them

    holy trinity

    Who are they Hullis, I must know your holy trinity to see how it matches up with mine.

    cloud

    squall

    tidus

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    LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    As someone who used to ADORE Final Fantasy, what has ultimately killed my interest is that they've changed too much.

    Out of the mainline series, the last one to really grab me was FFX. It's no coincidence that the ones after left the traditional turn-based, menu-based combat behind. I want heroes on one side, enemies on the other, old school Final Fantasy. I don't want this fancy automated shit, or MMOs, or whatever. The core of what made the series tick for me has been ripped out.

    Meanwhile Atlus makes games with the combat I like and writes better stories to boot.

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    HunteraHuntera Rude Boy Registered User regular
    Guys I misplaced (read as: put in the wrong case) my copy of FFT: War of the Lions.


    This sucks!

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    EdcrabEdcrab Actually a hack Registered User regular
    Edcrab wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    @orikaeshigitae

    The AV Club just spun off their own completely games-related site
    I'm sorry Orik, you gave it a good shot

    just another pretender to the throne, as far as I'm concerned

    Fightin' words
    We were there first, and we're still doing it better. AVC is awesome but wildly uneven, and we've got plenty of skills & approaches that they don't.

    True.

    Anyway, I'm working on that "The Best Butts in Games - Pert Pixels!" article and you'll have it in a few days

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    OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Stilts wrote: »
    Dux wrote: »
    Stilts wrote: »
    Huntera wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    I'm not sure what Pokemon would be if not an RPG

    Turn-Based Strategy game, most likely.

    I mean, what else would you call the battle system it uses?

    Eh...

    I wouldn't really put Pokemon into the same genre as Advance Wars.

    Pokemon is definitely an RPG, I think.

    It's just that there's this weird dichotomy where if you want to enjoy the single-player, you're kind of out of luck, because the battle A.I. is still fairly primitive and the story is basically the same as it was since the first game.

    But if you want to enjoy the multiplayer, you still gotta do a shit-ton of grinding in the single-player.

    And, again, it's been like that since the first game.

    And God help you if your regular battle partners include people who care about EVs and IVs and other insane shit like that.
    There might be an article in this.

    Or how Pokemon is stagnating but people aren't as bored/angry about it as they are with Final Fantasy.

    Oh man.

    I would actually have to interview people for that.

    Act like a real journalist and finally use my degree for something I want to do.

    I like it.

    Fuck yeah. I've been hoping someone would write stuff like this.

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    OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Edcrab wrote: »
    Edcrab wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    @orikaeshigitae

    The AV Club just spun off their own completely games-related site
    I'm sorry Orik, you gave it a good shot

    just another pretender to the throne, as far as I'm concerned

    Fightin' words
    We were there first, and we're still doing it better. AVC is awesome but wildly uneven, and we've got plenty of skills & approaches that they don't.

    True.

    Anyway, I'm working on that "The Best Butts in Games - Pert Pixels!" article and you'll have it in a few days

    Awesome! I have a bet with Totilo that my site will give him an erection

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    NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    I can tell you everything about Pokemon

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    RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    Edcrab wrote: »
    Edcrab wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    @orikaeshigitae

    The AV Club just spun off their own completely games-related site
    I'm sorry Orik, you gave it a good shot

    just another pretender to the throne, as far as I'm concerned

    Fightin' words
    We were there first, and we're still doing it better. AVC is awesome but wildly uneven, and we've got plenty of skills & approaches that they don't.

    True.

    Anyway, I'm working on that "The Best Butts in Games - Pert Pixels!" article and you'll have it in a few days

    Edcrab, do you have Ryu from Ninja Gaiden in there? Because he deserves to be.

    Everyday we stray further from God's light
    Steam Switch FC: 2799-7909-4852
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    YukiraYukira Registered User regular
    Rolo wrote: »
    what was the thinking that went into the aesthetic design of skullgirls

    Check out their store. You might get an idea.

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