[NFL] 2007: II

Dranyth · April 2012

I'm just glad the Broncos are back in the ORANGE and blue.

MNC Dover · April 2012

Heh, that looks pretty cool.

NFL_2012_49ers_VaporJet2Glove_detail--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg

tinwhiskers · April 2012

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/03/claiborne-gives-birth-to-a-four-on-the-wonderlic/

A 4 out of 50 on a multiple choice test. "student" athlete lol

Gyral · April 2012

MNC Dover wrote: »

Heh, that looks pretty cool.

Spoiler:

Can't wait for the inevitable 15 yard penalty for a celebration with the logo on the gloves.

enlightenedbum · April 2012

tinwhiskers wrote: »

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/03/claiborne-gives-birth-to-a-four-on-the-wonderlic/

A 4 out of 50 on a multiple choice test. "student" athlete lol

The Wonderlic is, by most accounts, pretty fucking stupid.

Not to defend an SEC school or anything.

tinwhiskers · April 2012

http://walterfootball.com/draftwonderlic.php

has a sample.
5 minutes

y2jake215 · April 2012

If I remember correctly the Wonderlic also had a ton of questions like "Are you more like a dog or a cat?".

Stuff to get an idea of personality, not intelligence. And you also get some short time limit to do it. Ryan Fitzpatrick did get a 50 though I think

enlightenedbum · April 2012

Does anyone understand why Ryan Tannehill is rocketing up draft boards? He, much like Blaine Gabbert, was really not that impressive in college (same conference too!). I continue to question whether NFL scouts actually watch college football or just go to workouts and get amazed by physical tools working against a vacuum.

Drakeon · April 2012

enlightenedbum wrote: »

Does anyone understand why Ryan Tannehill is rocketing up draft boards? He, much like Blaine Gabbert, was really not that impressive in college (same conference too!). I continue to question whether NFL scouts actually watch college football or just go to workouts and get amazed by physical tools working against a vacuum.

Dolphins and (to a lesser extent) Browns are desperate for a QB.

r4dr3z · April 2012

y2jake215 wrote: »

If I remember correctly the Wonderlic also had a ton of questions like "Are you more like a dog or a cat?".

Stuff to get an idea of personality, not intelligence. And you also get some short time limit to do it. Ryan Fitzpatrick did get a 50 though I think

The Wonderlic is a standard test for employers to evaluate potential hires. There are different versions of it that do incorporate questions like you describe, but I don't think the test they give the draft prospects contains stuff like that. For one thing, how would you score it? For another, it's up to the teams to interview these players and get to know them through other means. The idea behind the Wonderlic that draft prospects take is that they are usually given it after running a couple of miles to see how they think while physically exhausted.

Turkson · April 2012

Dranyth wrote: »

I'm just glad the Broncos are back in the ORANGE and blue.

Not to knock the blue ones, I thought they looked pretty sharp. But Orange is best.

y2jake215 · April 2012

r4dr3z wrote: »

y2jake215 wrote: »

If I remember correctly the Wonderlic also had a ton of questions like "Are you more like a dog or a cat?".

Stuff to get an idea of personality, not intelligence. And you also get some short time limit to do it. Ryan Fitzpatrick did get a 50 though I think

The Wonderlic is a standard test for employers to evaluate potential hires. There are different versions of it that do incorporate questions like you describe, but I don't think the test they give the draft prospects contains stuff like that. For one thing, how would you score it? For another, it's up to the teams to interview these players and get to know them through other means. The idea behind the Wonderlic that draft prospects take is that they are usually given it after running a couple of miles to see how they think while physically exhausted.

Hmm. I thought I had taken a sample one on ESPN's Page 2 several years ago, and it had those kind of questions on it. But I'm starting to think those questions were in the Madden Create-A-Player mode where you took the Wonderlic before getting drafted

November Fifth · April 2012

I think a lot of these low Wonderlic scores come down to the players just not caring about how they perform on these tests because they think that the outcomes won't effect their draft position one way or another. These tests also measure math skills that the athlete may not have used in five or six years.

I've been in college classes with high level SEC athletes, and while they weren't exactly Mensa candidates, they were obviously capable of handling the course material, and in some cases were very earnest about their education.

Podly · April 2012

of COURSE Bernard Pollard is cool with the saints bounty program

I don't think I've ever hated a football player as much as him

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82815e02/article/saints-bounty-penalties-irk-ravens-pollard?module=HP11_headline_stack

sportzboytjw · April 2012

Podly wrote: »

of COURSE Bernard Pollard is cool with the saints bounty program

I don't think I've ever hated a football player as much as him

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82815e02/article/saints-bounty-penalties-irk-ravens-pollard?module=HP11_headline_stack

I thought you were a GB fan. When did you jump on NE's nuts?

iTunesIsEvil · April 2012

:lol:

MNC Dover · April 2012

An audio clip from Williams urging players to target specific players before the 49ers/Saints play-off game last season:

Started normally enough, then got kinda dark.

The Judge · April 2012

Yeah, the 'he just told them to hit people hard and that's what players do!' defense goes out the window when you hear the guy actually promote taking out Crabtree's ACL.

Gyral · April 2012

Dude should be kicked out of the league for thinking that taking Crabtree out would hurt the Niners. He obviously never watched any tape to see that Crabtree isn't that good at gaining separation.

iTunesIsEvil · April 2012

Or hitting Frank Gore in the head purposefully, or making sure to affect his head before the D gets off the pile.

That is really just uber-shitty. That audio makes me think Williams is a REALLY small/insecure man.

nexuscrawler · April 2012

There's rumors of Tebow getting put on special teams

nothing would redeem the Jets for me more than him ending up as a placekicker

Turkson · April 2012

November Fifth wrote: »

I think a lot of these low Wonderlic scores come down to the players just not caring about how they perform on these tests because they think that the outcomes won't effect their draft position one way or another. These tests also measure math skills that the athlete may not have used in five or six years.

I've been in college classes with high level SEC athletes, and while they weren't exactly Mensa candidates, they were obviously capable of handling the course material, and in some cases were very earnest about their education.

I read somewhere that very high Wonderlic scores could be detrimental to draft position. Something to do with coaches don't feel comfortable with people that might now that they're smarter than the majority of the staff.

y2jake215 · April 2012

Rod (I think) Woodson was on Sportscenter saying he's heard 90% of what Williams said in pregame speeches from his own coaches. I'm not surprised by that - the Saints are the ones who got caught and deserve their punishment, but this is far more of a league-wide mindset than an individual organization and coaching staff's. Hopefully the smackdown that got laid on New Orleans makes other coaches decide to gameplan to outplay other teams, not injure them

Bobble · April 2012

Turkson wrote: »

November Fifth wrote: »

I think a lot of these low Wonderlic scores come down to the players just not caring about how they perform on these tests because they think that the outcomes won't effect their draft position one way or another. These tests also measure math skills that the athlete may not have used in five or six years.

I've been in college classes with high level SEC athletes, and while they weren't exactly Mensa candidates, they were obviously capable of handling the course material, and in some cases were very earnest about their education.

I read somewhere that very high Wonderlic scores could be detrimental to draft position. Something to do with coaches don't feel comfortable with people that might now that they're smarter than the majority of the staff.

Kind of the same way I'd heard it, specifically about Myron Rolle (who won a Rhodes Scholarship). If a guy's that smart, he's got options other than football. Does he eat/sleep/live/breathe the game? Will he put the game ahead of his own well being, or will he start to think "maybe I should have gone to grad school" if the going gets tough? I think I remember Rolle getting some weird interview questions too.

Podly · April 2012

sportzboytjw wrote: »

Podly wrote: »

of COURSE Bernard Pollard is cool with the saints bounty program

I don't think I've ever hated a football player as much as him

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82815e02/article/saints-bounty-penalties-irk-ravens-pollard?module=HP11_headline_stack

I thought you were a GB fan. When did you jump on NE's nuts?

Me? My dad worked right next door to the old foxboro stadium. I've been a pats fan as long as I can remember.

Elki · April 2012

Atomika · April 2012

Turkson wrote: »

November Fifth wrote: »

I think a lot of these low Wonderlic scores come down to the players just not caring about how they perform on these tests because they think that the outcomes won't effect their draft position one way or another. These tests also measure math skills that the athlete may not have used in five or six years.

I've been in college classes with high level SEC athletes, and while they weren't exactly Mensa candidates, they were obviously capable of handling the course material, and in some cases were very earnest about their education.

I read somewhere that very high Wonderlic scores could be detrimental to draft position. Something to do with coaches don't feel comfortable with people that might now that they're smarter than the majority of the staff.

As someone who has been there, this is absolutely true. Even worse in college.

They all want athletes who are smart enough for complex tactical schemes, but dumb enough to never complain about when they don't work.

The last thing you want for team cohesiveness is your QB pointing out exactly how incompetent your OC is in front of the team on a daily basis and ignoring the play calls in the huddle.

y2jake215 · April 2012

Atomic Ross wrote: »

Turkson wrote: »

November Fifth wrote: »

I think a lot of these low Wonderlic scores come down to the players just not caring about how they perform on these tests because they think that the outcomes won't effect their draft position one way or another. These tests also measure math skills that the athlete may not have used in five or six years.

I've been in college classes with high level SEC athletes, and while they weren't exactly Mensa candidates, they were obviously capable of handling the course material, and in some cases were very earnest about their education.

I read somewhere that very high Wonderlic scores could be detrimental to draft position. Something to do with coaches don't feel comfortable with people that might now that they're smarter than the majority of the staff.

As someone who has been there, this is absolutely true. Even worse in college.

They all want athletes who are smart enough for complex tactical schemes, but dumb enough to never complain about when they don't work.

The last thing you want for team cohesiveness is your QB pointing out exactly how incompetent your OC is in front of the team on a daily basis and ignoring the play calls in the huddle.

And you never want marginal players to think they have an option other than football so you can force them to play through injuries, ruin their bodies and quality of life, and take minimal salaries while never complaining for fear of losing their jobs, then cut them if they finally get too hurt anyway

y2jake215 · April 2012

but maybe I'm being too cynical

Atomika · April 2012

y2jake215 wrote: »

Atomic Ross wrote: »

Turkson wrote: »

November Fifth wrote: »

I think a lot of these low Wonderlic scores come down to the players just not caring about how they perform on these tests because they think that the outcomes won't effect their draft position one way or another. These tests also measure math skills that the athlete may not have used in five or six years.

I've been in college classes with high level SEC athletes, and while they weren't exactly Mensa candidates, they were obviously capable of handling the course material, and in some cases were very earnest about their education.

I read somewhere that very high Wonderlic scores could be detrimental to draft position. Something to do with coaches don't feel comfortable with people that might now that they're smarter than the majority of the staff.

As someone who has been there, this is absolutely true. Even worse in college.

They all want athletes who are smart enough for complex tactical schemes, but dumb enough to never complain about when they don't work.

The last thing you want for team cohesiveness is your QB pointing out exactly how incompetent your OC is in front of the team on a daily basis and ignoring the play calls in the huddle.

And you never want players who think they have an option other than football so you can force them to play through injuries, ruin their bodies and quality of life, and take minimal salaries while never complaining for fear of losing their jobs, then cut them if they finally get too hurt anyway

Pretty much.

In college, I was outright told by certain departments that I could choose Degree Plan X or I could play football, but not both.

Basically, if you're playing football in college, that's what you're there to do and little else. You can't work, you can't go out, you can't take certain substances (even if they're legal), you can't dictate your schedule, and you can't take the classes you want if there is a conflict.

I once had a game in Nebraska which was going to take me away from my Calculus mid-term, and my teacher told me my options were to either take the test a week early (before all the material had been covered) or miss the test and likely fail the class. She wouldn't schedule any time for me to take it otherwise.

I also had a professor fail me from a pointless Philosophy class because I went to the banquet to receive my Conference Champion ring and awards.

Sports fucks over college kids at just about every angle, and if you don't go to the next level? Welp, hope you learned something. Somehow.

Xenogears of Bore · April 2012

That's what always galls me about the "Well they are getting a free college education" argument when it comes to not playing College Players.

Atomika · April 2012

Xenogears of Bore wrote: »

That's what always galls me about the "Well they are getting a free college education" argument when it comes to not playing College Players.

It's something I've always struggled with.

PROS:
- Lots of kids get scholarships that otherwise would have little or no chance at ever going to college. LOTS of kids.

CONS:
- The students' range of educational opportunity is restricted drastically
- They work basically 40 hours a week or more during the season for no pay while the university makes a lot of money
- They basically subsidize the athletics programs of the rest of the school
- Injured athletes often leave the program and fail to graduate
- Major schools have embarrassingly low graduation rates for their student-athletes
- Most student-athletes are poor students and study programs explicitly designed to keep them in school
- Job placement for the common degree plans for S-As is minimal, typically demands further education, and is generally low-paid

y2jake215 · April 2012

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7807571/denver-broncos-demaryius-thomas-miss-tim-tebow

looks like the other Broncos didn't all love Tebow as much as they let on

Podly · April 2012

oh gronk, you are the BEST meathead ever

Jragghen · April 2012

http://www.steelers.com/video-and-audio/photo-gallery/80th-Season-Throwback-Uniform---4-17/ad65d41e-3b56-4fd7-ae4a-f19aa1132d75

iTunesIsEvil · April 2012

That's ugly as hell, but pretty awesome. I have a soft spot for throwback jerseys, no matter how ugly they may be.

Eat it You Nasty Pig. · April 2012

yeesh, those are awful

Podly · April 2012

Eagles are shopping Asante Samual. I'd probably give up a first rounder and something else for him.

bficky · April 2012

Podly wrote: »

Eagles are shopping Asante Samual. I'd probably give up a first rounder and something else for him.

I'm guessing he can and will be had for a lot less than a 1st. Some guy on ESPN is guessing as low as a 4th or 5th rounder. Seems like he's not as highly regarded as he used to be.

Drakeon · April 2012

Podly wrote: »

Eagles are shopping Asante Samual. I'd probably give up a first rounder and something else for him.

Theres no way they get a first for Asante, just no way. Not even sure who's in the market for a CB right now anyways. They'd have a better market after the draft from the teams who wanted a CB and didn't get one.

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