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MMA 18: [MMA]rrested Development: UFC Supports Drunk Driving and Domestic Violence

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  • 815165815165 Registered User regular
    I've read that the kid and his cousin were watching wrestling, not MMA.

  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Really the only difference is now kids are pretending to BJJ, instead of pretending to professional wrestle and paralyzing each other with choke slams. Unfortunately they're always going to be idiots and do things they shouldn't, they simply make dumb teenagers faster than you can possibly educate them all.

    Personally I've always thought pro wrestling is a more dangerous influence, because in MMA you can see what happens when you DON'T tap out, whether from an arm bar or a choke, and people will usually say how they should have tapped. Whereas wrestling fans know it's fake, but often they overestimate just how fake it is, if that makes sense. Uh, to rephrase, in MMA you see the consequences, whereas in wrestling you rarely see the real consequences.

    (And actually, after googling it, apparently it happened at a wrestlemania party?)

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  • lu tzelu tze Registered User
    edited April 2012
    Kana wrote: »
    Personally I've always thought pro wrestling is a more dangerous influence, because in MMA you can see what happens when you DON'T tap out, whether from an arm bar or a choke, and people will usually say how they should have tapped. Whereas wrestling fans know it's fake, but often they overestimate just how fake it is, if that makes sense. Uh, to rephrase, in MMA you see the consequences, whereas in wrestling you rarely see the real consequences.
    I agree with you 100%

    Pro wrestling gives kids a really warped view of what violence is, they don't learn to respect it because "hey what's the worse that could happen?"

    Unfortunately the knee jerk brigade might not agree. And when there are thousands and thousands of competitors around the country who just need protecting from this dangerous sport? Well...

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  • ChillyWillyChillyWilly Registered User regular
    So here's a fight from earlier this evening on Bellator. Chris Horodecki gets MAULED.

    http://ironforgesiron.com/chris-horodecki-vs-mike-richman/

    PAFC Top 10 Finisher in Seasons 1 and 3. 2nd in Seasons 4 and 5. Final 4 in Season 6.

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  • TehSpectreTehSpectre @PixelateJake on TwitterRegistered User regular
    Horodecki will always look like he's an extremely muscular 12 year old.

    In other Bellator news, Ben Askren completely dominated Lima in their fight and the Canadians booed a lot. Askren then insulted the Canadians and they cheered for him.

    It was weird.

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  • Zombies Tossed My Salad!Zombies Tossed My Salad! Registered User regular
    Its Canada.

    I want to see askren vs Fitch. Lets see who can lay on each other longer

  • 815165815165 Registered User regular
    I think I accidentally clicked on that video on youporn.

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  • starmanbrandstarmanbrand Registered User regular
    No way the first round was a 9-8.

    FIIIIIIIIX.

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    So here's a fight from earlier this evening on Bellator. Chris Horodecki gets MAULED.

    http://ironforgesiron.com/chris-horodecki-vs-mike-richman/

    That was some damn nice power, especially for a featherweight. It's always nice to see someone getting punished for dropping their shoulders when they throw, and Horodecki was pretty blatantly leaning out over his strikes.

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  • TehSpectreTehSpectre @PixelateJake on TwitterRegistered User regular
    Its Canada.

    I want to see askren vs Fitch. Lets see who can lay on each other longer
    At least Askren is always in motion.

    He's either posturing up to swat with pillowhands, or he's passing and rolling and etc etc.

    Fitch just kinda lays on top.

    I still enjoy watching Askren. Fuck the haters.

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    This is from last month but I never saw it at the time



    I love that right before that she's saying how so sorry she's not all cute and bubbly

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  • SpectrumSpectrum Super High-School Level ??? Hope's Peak AcademyRegistered User regular
    Watching this UFC Primetime...
    It's kind of amazing that freakin' Jon Jones is making Rashad look likeable and almost making me want to root for him.

  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    Kana wrote: »
    This is from last month but I never saw it at the time



    I love that right before that she's saying how so sorry she's not all cute and bubbly

    i'm guessing she got one of these rumored massive zuffa cash monies bonuses

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  • NeliNeli Registered User regular
    Dana White said he didn't believe in Female MMA until after he saw the Rousey/Tate fight so he no doubt did something very good for her

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  • TehSpectreTehSpectre @PixelateJake on TwitterRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Gentlemen, I hope you are all aware that a free show is starting in ~30 minutes on YouTube.

    Super Fight League 2, headlined by the silly (but fun) matchup between Neil Grove and Todd Duffee.

    Minowaman is fighting too, I think.

    Anyway:




    SUPA. FITE. LEEEEEEG.

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  • MagellMagell Sphinx! Parts UnknownRegistered User regular
    Kana wrote: »
    Really the only difference is now kids are pretending to BJJ, instead of pretending to professional wrestle and paralyzing each other with choke slams. Unfortunately they're always going to be idiots and do things they shouldn't, they simply make dumb teenagers faster than you can possibly educate them all.

    Personally I've always thought pro wrestling is a more dangerous influence, because in MMA you can see what happens when you DON'T tap out, whether from an arm bar or a choke, and people will usually say how they should have tapped. Whereas wrestling fans know it's fake, but often they overestimate just how fake it is, if that makes sense. Uh, to rephrase, in MMA you see the consequences, whereas in wrestling you rarely see the real consequences.

    (And actually, after googling it, apparently it happened at a wrestlemania party?)

    All WWE PPVs have a video documenting how you can hurt yourself wrestling near the start of them.

    It doesn't really matter because kids are always going to want to fight, and either way is dangerous without proper training.

  • TehSpectreTehSpectre @PixelateJake on TwitterRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    SFL2 Results!

    Kelly vs Healy -> Healy grinds the shit out of Kelly. Resounding meh.

    "After this fight, we have the second one" Haha. Thanks announcer, guy.

    Gavali mentioned that he wanted a girlfriend last time he fought.

    Daguzan vs Gavali -> Daguzan cheats immediately and stops a takedown with a fencegrab. Herb Dean yells at him. This fight is sloppier, but more fun. Daguzan is fencegrabbing and shortsgrabbing up a storm. Baroni makes a 69 joke while they're in North South psoition. Daguzan elbows the back of Gavali's head. Damn. These guys are so gassed. Sloppy sub attempts and sweaty wrestling is the name of the game for round 3. Daguzan cheats his way to the decision win.

    They refer to their ring as the "O-Zone".

    Kandare vs. Ismael -> Crazy pace so far. Kandare gets a huge Rampage slam on Ismael's head! Kandare nearly gets a kimura! Kandre gets the mount and forces Ismael to tap to strikes. Exciting fight.

    "That was fast!" Love this announcer.

    Minowaman vs Shlemenko -> Minowaman comes to the ring is his cape. I'm afraid Shlemenko is going to murder him. WAR Minowman! Shlemenko going crazy with spinning backfists and kicks! Minowa gets hardcore rocked by a crazy knee! The ref doesn't stop it!! Minowa slides into a desperation leglock! Shlemenko sneaks out of it and the ref tells Minowa to stand up. Minowa is clutching his ribs and not standing up. Fight ends due to injury/TKO. :(

    Shlemenko grabs the mic from Baroni!! “Hello India. Hector... I kill you” Ahahah

    "Super Fight League! The fights are real and raw. The blood is for all to see!" Dis announcer.

    Rathnaweera works in an office? Hm.

    Kumar vs. Rathnaweera -> Rath immediately eats a kick and then slams Kumar, but Kumar ends up on top! Whee. Kumar almost gets an americana! Haha, Baroni calls it an "Indiana". Some great catch wrestling on display. Rath is mounted, but is so scrambly that Kumar can't capitalize. Fun round. Groundwork starts off round 2 and Kumar gets the RNC.

    Senanayake is a weightlifter and Sanhi's parents are Bollywood stars. Hah. Both making their pro debut.

    Sanhi vs. Senanayake -> Ricky fucking flies across the ring for the takedown. Sanhi is looking for a darce choke. Sena repeatedly kneeing Sanhi in the dick. Oof. Crazy knees and GnP by Sanhi. Suplex! Sanhi GnPs his way to victory. Exciting fight.

    "Hellooooooo" I. Love. This. Guy.

    Ladies time to shine.

    Buck took the fight on 1 week notice. D:

    Schneider is a chef, astrophysicist, and trains with Gil Melendez and Jake Shields.

    Schneider vs. Buck -> Fastpaced stand up so far. Big takedown by Schneider. And lazy ground and pound. Boooring. Meh round. Immediate takedown by Schneider in round 2. Looks to be more of the same. Maaaan. Schneider has a 1-3 record, I think she is just trying to ride out an easy decision to improve that. I spoke too soon, as Schneider cuts Buck's face open and gets the TKO.

    Oh no. Terrible interviews time.

    And now one of the owners went over to interview some actors sitting cageside. Ahhh

    Oh good, it's over.

    Grove looks pudgy. Duffee looks huge as ever.

    Grove vs. Duffee -> Aaaaaand Duffee KOs Grove about 20 seconds in. Was as surprising as Sapp vs Thompson.

    Duffee asks to fight on the next SFL card. Wants to fight a lot in 2012. I'm sur they will be happy to feed him more washed-up cans.

    Maybe Sylvia/Duffee could be fun.



    Anyway, decent card. You guys should watch it. Especially for this guy:

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  • TehSpectreTehSpectre @PixelateJake on TwitterRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Mir vs Cain will happen.

    Who is fighting JDS?

    Could...could it be Mark Hunt?

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  • Peter EbelPeter Ebel Building an empire OsloRegistered User regular
    When Alistair gets popped for horse roids the second time, I hope he gets cut. Not from the UFC but in the dick. To quote the internet, I am disappoint.

    Fuck off and die.
  • TehSpectreTehSpectre @PixelateJake on TwitterRegistered User regular
    You...want someone to cut his dick?

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  • 815165815165 Registered User regular
    Ebel doesn't like it when you screw him out of a main event.

  • Zombies Tossed My Salad!Zombies Tossed My Salad! Registered User regular
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    Mir vs Cain will happen.

    Who is fighting JDS?

    Could...could it be Mark Hunt?

    Please god let it be mark hunt

  • Zombies Tossed My Salad!Zombies Tossed My Salad! Registered User regular
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    Just a little something that cage potato whipped up

  • Venkman90Venkman90 Registered User regular
    Hendo is game for anyone with a belt it seems.

    I can see him now, hearing that Condit needs a fight, sat in the sauna wrapped in foil tweeting Dana that he is game. God help him if Aldo announced he is up for it, Hendo would have to cut off his legs.

  • TehSpectreTehSpectre @PixelateJake on TwitterRegistered User regular
    Dana has said he will not book a replacement fighter until Overeem's NSAC hearing on the 26th.

    Hurm.

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  • TraceofToxinTraceofToxin King Nothing Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    RE: Chokes

    Properly applied blood choke = 4-7 seconds loss of consciousness, 30-60 seconds death

    Properly applied air choke = 20-45 seconds loss of consciousness, 2-3 minutes death

    Obviously variables abound for both, but that's the averages I was taught and that I teach in the Modern Army Combatives Program. I know from experience, both giving and receiving, the knockout times are pretty accurate.

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  • B:LB:L Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    If you guys want to get cheap and good MMA gear, you know mmahq and bjjhq are where it's at.

    But if you want REALLY cheap (and slightly shitty) UFC and TAPOUT gear, I think SEARS stores are clearancing their MMA equipment. Here's a sample of what I saw:
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    Edit note: Of course, Your Mileage May Vary on clearance deals. Some places may have it on clearance, some not. Some places may have it cheaper, or more expensive, or not at all! Happy hunting.

    As for quality, these appear to be rebranded Century gear, which is average at best.

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    There's almost no reason not to.

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  • TraceofToxinTraceofToxin King Nothing Registered User regular
    Wow that's fucking crazy cheap.

    I use fighterwarehouse because of the insane military discount.

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  • SnarfmasterSnarfmaster Registered User regular
    B:L wrote: »
    A Very Special B:L PSA...

    Recently, there has been a BJJ tragedy. A 14 year old kid was horsing around with his older cousin, and put him in a rear naked choke. Unfortunately with no training or education, neither of them knew the ramifications and dangers of such a move. The kid held the choke for 30-40 seconds, and only let go when bystanders told him that his cousin was turning blue. An ambulance was called, but the cousin could not be rescucitated. He died.

    The UFC does not do a good job of educating their fans. That is why it is up to the educated to spread the word, to prevent future tragedies like this from happening.

    I know your just beeling, but every report i've found for this talks specifically about this being them re-enacting wrestling. Also I've noticed that you frequently post links to sites that sell equipment that can be worn by people who can hurt people, I'd ask you put a disclaimer on any such links in the future. You never know when someone might see a great price on a Korean Zombie shirt and then go choke someone to death.

  • TraceofToxinTraceofToxin King Nothing Registered User regular
    Beel just got hit with a beelism. I wonder how he'll react.

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  • B:LB:L Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    B:L wrote: »
    A Very Special B:L PSA...

    Recently, there has been a BJJ tragedy. A 14 year old kid was horsing around with his older cousin, and put him in a rear naked choke. Unfortunately with no training or education, neither of them knew the ramifications and dangers of such a move. The kid held the choke for 30-40 seconds, and only let go when bystanders told him that his cousin was turning blue. An ambulance was called, but the cousin could not be rescucitated. He died.

    The UFC does not do a good job of educating their fans. That is why it is up to the educated to spread the word, to prevent future tragedies like this from happening.

    I know your just beeling, but every report i've found for this talks specifically about this being them re-enacting wrestling. Also I've noticed that you frequently post links to sites that sell equipment that can be worn by people who can hurt people, I'd ask you put a disclaimer on any such links in the future. You never know when someone might see a great price on a Korean Zombie shirt and then go choke someone to death.

    I believe you're mistaken. They may have been watching wrestling, but it's unclear whether they were re-enacting wrestling or MMA, and that's besides the point as they used a BJJ technique. The whole point of this is about what can be done to prevent tragedies like this in the future. We cannot let the UFC off the hook and just wait until the next BJJ tragedy while they're watching UFC before actions should be taken and criticisms levied.

    To give you an example of the difference in steps taken to prevent such tragedies, here is a compilation of some of WWE's pre-show warnings:
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    And in comparison, here are the UFC's pre-show warnings:
    Spoiler:


    This is a real tragedy and one shouldn't exploit it to soapbox and protect the UFC's reputation. What one should do is ask them to do more. Thankfully the Gracies knew the gravity of this situation and provided an excellent warning video, which hopefully spreads and raises awareness. Awareness is the issue here, as stated in the Gracie video, as that whole tragic event could have been prevented by having just one aware person around.


    As for your facetiousKana comment about links to safety gear needing safety warnings... that's redundant. That's the whole point of safety gear, to protect against injuries and accidents. It's like saying safety goggles need warnings that they do nothingthe user is about to engage in activities that could injure their eyes... or bicycle or motorcycle helmets needing warnings that they could fall and injure their heads. I'm sure the people who BUY safety gear already know this, and are buying the gear specifically to prevent this. Besides, the item descriptions themselves have the safety warning you requested 8->
    A link to show the safety warning and to give you an idea of the original price: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_SPM3487202502P?prdNo=18

    The posting of sales on safety equipment is itself a warning against practicing martial arts or sparring without it. There are still deplorable people out there who spar people smaller than themselves without any safety equipment and feel proud when they bloody their opponent's nose. I'm hoping that the posting of sale items would encourage people to train smart and train safe.

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    the gladiator tells you not to do this at home

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  • B:LB:L Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    the gladiator tells you not to do this at home
    "DON'T TRY THIIIIIIIIS
    DON'T TRY THIIIIIIIIIS AT HOOOOOOOOOME"

    Maybe it'd be more effective if it was chanting "Don't try this at home" in English.


    In more important news,

    CARALHO! The truth is out there...

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    just got around to watching the TUF
    holy crap is tickle is a little bitch
    "oh noooo I'm in pain the gout hurts so badddd"
    "oh nm i guess i don't have gout"
    hope proctor beats his ass next week.
    I dont know about chiesa's victory though, I remember in a previous season of TUF a guy got auto dq'd for a grounded knee which made the point deduction and continuation a little iffy in my mind
    there should be some consistency here

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  • 815165815165 Registered User regular
    RE: Chokes

    Properly applied blood choke = 4-7 seconds loss of consciousness, 30-60 seconds death

    Properly applied air choke = 20-45 seconds loss of consciousness, 2-3 minutes death

    Obviously variables abound for both, but that's the averages I was taught and that I teach in the Modern Army Combatives Program. I know from experience, both giving and receiving, the knockout times are pretty accurate.

    How long can a man survive a mandible claw?

  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    815165 wrote: »
    RE: Chokes

    Properly applied blood choke = 4-7 seconds loss of consciousness, 30-60 seconds death

    Properly applied air choke = 20-45 seconds loss of consciousness, 2-3 minutes death

    Obviously variables abound for both, but that's the averages I was taught and that I teach in the Modern Army Combatives Program. I know from experience, both giving and receiving, the knockout times are pretty accurate.

    How long can a man survive a mandible claw?

    i dunno
    that's pretty devastating
    i would say maybe 10 seconds
    less if it's mr socko and just came out of a sweaty jockstrap
    and if it's followed up by a rock bottom you might as well be dead

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    the top two comments on this video are great
    Spoiler:

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