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[A Song of Ice and Fire, Books and Books+Show] Touch this thread and all shall be spoilt

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  • SteevLSteevL What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    I'm currently about 1/4th of the way into book 3, and I just started watching season 1 for the first time this weekend. Just finished watching episode 5.
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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    SteevL wrote: »
    I'm currently about 1/4th of the way into book 3, and I just started watching season 1 for the first time this weekend. Just finished watching episode 5.
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    Heavily implied but also easy to overlook.
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  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Tomanta wrote: »
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    I just don't see that happening.
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  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
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    Tomanta wrote: »
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    Unlucky wrote: »
    So, after having read all of his stuff, Pony's officially my hero now. I wish I could be that callous towards humanity.
  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    It may be just me, but I do not like how Shae is portrayed in the show. She just seems so aggressive and demanding and I don't get what Tyrion sees in this version of her. Book Shae gave Tyrion what he wanted, affection, fake affection, but it's what he wanted.

    Every scene I see her in makes me want to strangle her for being bitchy and prissy.

    I'm not sure why they changed her character.
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  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    It may be just me, but I do not like how Shae is portrayed in the show. She just seems so aggressive and demanding and I don't get what Tyrion sees in this version of her. Book Shae gave Tyrion what he wanted, affection, fake affection, but it's what he wanted.

    Every scene I see her in makes me want to strangle her for being bitchy and prissy.

    I'm not sure why they changed her character.
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    The way I saw the character of Shae in the books was more like:
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  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    I see it a bit differently.
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  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    I see it a bit differently.
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    Yeah I read:
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  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    Tyrion though has some serious affection issues.
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  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    Ill agree with you on HBO Shae. :)

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  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    Jubal77 wrote: »
    Ill agree with you on HBO Shae. :)

    That was my original point! Rawr!

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  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    So what do you guys think when they get up to the later books will they have seasons of:
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  • GONG-00GONG-00 Missionary AuraxisRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Jubal77 wrote: »
    So what do you guys think when they get up to the later books will they have seasons of:
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    Considering the show is not constrained by the POV narrative of the books, I would say that would be a good guess. If they do follow the structure of the books, season 5 would be
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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    They are sure to smush AFFC and ADWD together into a pair of seasons or the like.

  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    They also have a lot of bloat they can cut out. I'm drawing a blank right now, but that Martel prince in ADWD can be cut and perhaps only mentioned in passing if needed. He added almost nothing to the plot and was only introduced to die.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    They also have a lot of bloat they can cut out. I'm drawing a blank right now, but that Martel prince in ADWD can be cut and perhaps only mentioned in passing if needed. He added almost nothing to the plot and was only introduced to die.

    He adds alot.

    Unless you really seriously think Dorne isn't going to be a huge player in the end of the series.

  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    They also have a lot of bloat they can cut out. I'm drawing a blank right now, but that Martel prince in ADWD can be cut and perhaps only mentioned in passing if needed. He added almost nothing to the plot and was only introduced to die.

    He adds alot.

    Unless you really seriously think Dorne isn't going to be a huge player in the end of the series.

    Yea Dorne is going to be huge IMHO. But that prince who got crispified can most definately be cut out.

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  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    They also have a lot of bloat they can cut out. I'm drawing a blank right now, but that Martel prince in ADWD can be cut and perhaps only mentioned in passing if needed. He added almost nothing to the plot and was only introduced to die.

    He adds alot.

    Unless you really seriously think Dorne isn't going to be a huge player in the end of the series.

    Him dying adds something, he himself adds nothing. We learn no new insight and Dany doesn't care about his position and he accomplishes nothing.

    He can be summarized in passage by his father, "I sent you my son and he died by dragons. I am now mad."

    We don't need to actually meet him or see his arc to understand he is Martels son.

  • GONG-00GONG-00 Missionary AuraxisRegistered User regular
    Jubal77 wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    They also have a lot of bloat they can cut out. I'm drawing a blank right now, but that Martel prince in ADWD can be cut and perhaps only mentioned in passing if needed. He added almost nothing to the plot and was only introduced to die.

    He adds alot.

    Unless you really seriously think Dorne isn't going to be a huge player in the end of the series.

    Yea Dorne is going to be huge IMHO. But that prince who got crispified can most definately be cut out.

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  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    GONG-00 wrote: »
    Jubal77 wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    They also have a lot of bloat they can cut out. I'm drawing a blank right now, but that Martel prince in ADWD can be cut and perhaps only mentioned in passing if needed. He added almost nothing to the plot and was only introduced to die.

    He adds alot.

    Unless you really seriously think Dorne isn't going to be a huge player in the end of the series.

    Yea Dorne is going to be huge IMHO. But that prince who got crispified can most definately be cut out.

    Quentyn Martell starring in How to (not) Train Your Dragon

    LOL. If anything they can just have him show up at court proclaim himself then a few days later get crispified. Would be pretty much all that character accomplished anyways. One and done.

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    HBO Shae struck me as initially more honest than book Shae, I saw TV Tyrion as initially drawn to the respect and candor that she gave him at the camp, rather than just the sex as in the book.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    They also have a lot of bloat they can cut out. I'm drawing a blank right now, but that Martel prince in ADWD can be cut and perhaps only mentioned in passing if needed. He added almost nothing to the plot and was only introduced to die.

    He adds alot.

    Unless you really seriously think Dorne isn't going to be a huge player in the end of the series.

    Him dying adds something, he himself adds nothing. We learn no new insight and Dany doesn't care about his position and he accomplishes nothing.

    He can be summarized in passage by his father, "I sent you my son and he died by dragons. I am now mad."

    We don't need to actually meet him or see his arc to understand he is Martels son.

    He has to exist for the Dorne plotline to make any sense.

    His quest and death both releases the dragons and shuts that door between Martell and Daeny. God knows what will come of that.

    You'd spend longer trying to not show him then you would just showing him.

  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    On Shae: I still don't like how prissy she is made to be. She didn't need to be all mysterious and world wise and I prefer her being (fake) sensual rather than passive aggressive. He gets enough of that from his sister. Also, what's up with her accent?

    On Martells: Meh, I just don't like all the build up they have over the guy. He exists for the sole purpose to release the dragons and die. I'm not even sure his father will blame Dany. He might, but the man is very pragmatic and patient (locked up his daughter and sacrificed others). If he realizes that his son died doing something stupid, he may accept it was his sons actions and not Dany's. Remember, there are survivors left to tell the tail. He didn't need umpteen chapters for a throw away character.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    There weren't umpteenth chapters. There was like ... 4.

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  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    There weren't umpteenth chapters. There was like ... 4.

    To be honest I would prefer Q man showing up being all "I will make her mine it is my right!" and then Dany going "Whiteboy please you dont have what I want" to the chapters involving Daario.

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  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    shryke wrote: »
    There weren't umpteenth chapters. There was like ... 4.

    We'll meet in the middle: There was ump chapters.

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  • GONG-00GONG-00 Missionary AuraxisRegistered User regular
    I was half hoping for the Daario, Hizdahr, Jorah, Quentyn, and Victarion threads to snowball into the War of the Five Suitors.

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    The problem with Shae is that it'd be really hard to have the same relationship in the TV show without Tyrion looking like an idiot. In the books he is in MASSIVE denial about, well, pretty much everything about her. He tries to have intelligent conversations with her and she's just like, "uh, durr... Shae get jewelry?" She's obviously just a shallow, dumb little person who's trying to milk this Lannister gig as far as she can, as Tyrion desperately tries to convince himself that they're actually a happy couple. Every other character that meets her, especially Varys, is mystified at what the hell Tyrion is thinking.

    Tyrion is normally such a reliable PoV I think it really slips by a lot of readers when he's being unreliable, mostly about women and his father. But there is no unreliable narrator in the TV show, and book!Shae would probably just be annoying to put up with. Plus this way Tyrion can bounce exposition off her as needed, and the audience can actually see why he's intrigued by this particular whore.

    Although that line in the brothel in ep 1 about pretending to be super-mysterious to get the johns intrigued... I wonder if that'll end up being true for Shae, and all Tyrion's guesses about her were actually true.

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  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    GONG-00 wrote: »
    I was half hoping for the Daario, Hizdahr, Jorah, Quentyn, and Victarion threads to snowball into the War of the Five Suitors.

    Sad thing is Daario is almost a lock to show up in the series. Because its only chance after Drogo died of showing Dany doing the nasty.

    Edit: Other than with her handmaiden... had forgot about that.

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Concur with Kana. I watched S1 before I read it, and I was surprised how dull Shae seemed in the book, as well as how unrewarding their relationship seemed for a man of his intellect. TV Shae seems to be written with more depth in mind because we won't be seeing her through Tyrion's eyes, and we need to understand what sees in her over any other prostitute in King's Landing.

    The allure of book Shae seemed to revolve around Tyrion being so horribly ugly that even a prostitute showing him feigned affection was rare, a good looking one more so. This does not mesh with how TV Tyrion has been introduced to us, and I'd have a lot harder time accepting it.

    This sums up what I prefer about the TV version thus far:
    -Book Shae went to King's Landing because merely agreed when Tyrion asked her as a way to defy his father.

    -TV Shae *challenged* him to defy his father and take her.

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  • HeisenbergHeisenberg Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    I wouldn't complain about excessive sex scenes at all if they were all with Emilia Clarke.

    dat ass

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    I had gotten super bored of seeing Emilia Clarke naked by a few episodes into season 1.

    But she is waaaaay more attractive with her natural dark hair

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    Very cool interview with Gwendolyne Christie, who we'll finally be seeing in this upcoming episode

    http://www.sfx.co.uk/2012/04/11/game-of-thrones-gwendoline-christie-interview/

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    Kana wrote: »
    Very cool interview with Gwendolyne Christie, who we'll finally be seeing in this upcoming episode

    http://www.sfx.co.uk/2012/04/11/game-of-thrones-gwendoline-christie-interview/

    Very cool. Really looking forward to her performance Sunday.

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  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Can't wait for her to get naked! We need more naked women. And more Hodor too.

    But seriously, I'm glad that she enjoyed reading the books.

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  • CanadianWolverineCanadianWolverine Registered User regular
    That interview is really great, that level of dedication to her craft, pretty sure we are going to see her nailing the part.

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  • Cultural Geek GirlCultural Geek Girl Registered User regular
    I am also extremely heartened by that interview. I had some worries when they cast a woman who didn't seem to have a great deal of muscle tone to start, but now I'm confident that they'll handle the character really well.

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  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Registered User regular
    GRRM is on record as saying that the Rainbow Guard is just because people like the colours and its a counterpoint to the Kings Guard. The evidence for
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  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning Registered User regular
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    GRRM is on record as saying that the Rainbow Guard is just because people like the colours and its a counterpoint to the Kings Guard. The evidence for
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    Yeah, remember that Clash came out in like 98, when
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