My only problem with the mechanics, from my end, was the use of gene conversion as a form of seering. Anyone who approached kime as a seer/brood could be easily confirmed that night an hour before vote close by trying to make a dragon with them, right? Then, the actual seer power could be saved for mafia hunting.
And Langly, man, when you seer kime and it comes back blocked, you keeeeeel him.
Not when the host confirms that his faction is village aligned.
He said the brood are village aligned. Kime lied. He was a gene.
Was he unseerable or was he guarded when you tried to seer him?
In my defense, I actually said the village are aligned with the brood, not the brood are aligned with the village. I guess you could argue it's semantics, but there are different implications (in my mind).
But I still recognize that as being poor phrasing, which had way too much of an effect on the game. You guys can stop talking about it now
this amounts to the host just being unreliable.
and I'm sorry I'm talking about it, but I spent 8 god damn days trying to figure out why a faction that was told to me was village aligned would be unseerable and also a different color, only to find out they were a secret cult that was actually not village aligned at all.
proud to say i told langly day 2 that kime was trouble :rotate:
Worst part is we hit kime with 4 dmg on day 1 and let him sit there, unguarded, the entire time. A simple 2 dmg the next night would have made this game entirely different.
Oh, right. Not only that, but outed mafia also told me kime was contacting them, so that was another reason to think they were full of shit and trying to mess with me.
Almost forgot to mention: Thanks for running this Akimbo! I had a great time. Even that sinking feeling on day 7-8 when we realized that the only way we weren't boned was for Teepo's gang to not be lying to us was an experience.
Mafia crawling hat-in-hand to 3rd faction for survival? Exciting and new.
I thought that the purple was just the unclaimed gene color, because when I claimed someone after kime died, their name in the claim PM was also purple.
I clarified that for you as soon as you asked about it. Additionally, unclaimed genes came up as unactivated, and in blue...
It was fun to watch, I never really got to understand anything. Up to the end I thought it was a standard village versus mafia with transformation. But I did wonder how it was going to be balanced with the village getting all those transformations! Now I know! :rotate:
Oh, right. Not only that, but outed mafia also told me kime was contacting them, so that was another reason to think they were full of shit and trying to mess with me.
Take that as a lesson for next time. Outed mafia aren't always full of shit.
Hey Langly remember that game you won as the cultist when no one ever even commented on your faction existing?
I do! We were also seerable, killable, and when I died, the entire faction died. Our faction was also stated in a person's role (which they didn't read), and described in narration.
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My only problem with the mechanics, from my end, was the use of gene conversion as a form of seering. Anyone who approached kime as a seer/brood could be easily confirmed that night an hour before vote close by trying to make a dragon with them, right? Then, the actual seer power could be saved for mafia hunting.
And Langly, man, when you seer kime and it comes back blocked, you keeeeeel him.
Not when the host confirms that his faction is village aligned.
He said the brood are village aligned. Kime lied. He was a gene.
Was he unseerable or was he guarded when you tried to seer him?
In my defense, I actually said the village are aligned with the brood, not the brood are aligned with the village. I guess you could argue it's semantics, but there are different implications (in my mind).
But I still recognize that as being poor phrasing, which had way too much of an effect on the game. You guys can stop talking about it now
this amounts to the host just being unreliable.
and I'm sorry I'm talking about it, but I spent 8 god damn days trying to figure out why a faction that was told to me was village aligned would be unseerable and also a different color, only to find out they were a secret cult that was actually not village aligned at all.
Yes, I understood it the first time someone said it. I actually PMd kime shortly after he died saying "I know that phrasing is going to get me into trouble." I've been wrestling with my conscience about it for the same 8 days.
I'll gladly recuse myself from running games from now on, since I'm clearly unfit, but at this point, the point has been brought up about 100 times in 2 pages. I get the point, guys.
Oh, right. Not only that, but outed mafia also told me kime was contacting them, so that was another reason to think they were full of shit and trying to mess with me.
Take that as a lesson for next time. Outed mafia aren't always full of shit.
no, that isn't the lesson at all.
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I'll gladly recuse myself from running games from now on, since I'm clearly unfit, but at this point, the point has been brought up about 100 times in 2 pages. I get the point, guys.
Thanks, Akimbo! I had fun trying to talk to network-head kime. I didn't play very long so I don't really have any comments about anything.
I am very disappointed that the mafia killed me for being talkative rather than my attempt to not-so-subtly pretend to have a reveal. It seems Langly was the only one that might have fallen for it.
I'll gladly recuse myself from running games from now on, since I'm clearly unfit, but at this point, the point has been brought up about 100 times in 2 pages. I get the point, guys.
don't be daft
you did a great job and you've run some great games
not everything you're going to make is going to be equally as good as one another and sometimes you'll make mistakes
i wound up canceling my second mini due to shit but i can confidently say that there were aspects that were unpolished that needed more refinement that players weren't enjoying, and there's nothing wrong with that. i'm not a professional game designer and neither are you, we're just dudes who like games.
sit up from the computer because you're frustrated and taking things personally, get something to drink, maybe a snack, have a liedown. then come back later and go "Alright, what can I learn from this experience", because I guarantee you having an iffy game is going to do so much more for your ability to host and make a game than having pretty solid, decent games all the time
Thank you for all the compliments, those that enjoyed it. I am glad some people did! That is what I am here for - a conduit to my players' enjoyment. I really am upset about so many players thinking the game was shitty because of poor balance, that is honestly the worst thing, I get how frustrating it can be to invest so much and fall short because of the host's mistakes.
Just remember I'm human too! Being berated over and over about the same mistake is incredibly demoralizing!
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Thanks, Akimbo! I had fun trying to talk to network-head kime. I didn't play very long so I don't really have any comments about anything.
I am very disappointed that the mafia killed me for being talkative rather than my attempt to not-so-subtly pretend to have a reveal. It seems Langly was the only one that might have fallen for it.
In our defense, we had so many kill powers that we had to spread them around to see some kind of result. When an ordered hit returned absolutely zero feedback, we had two choices:
1) Try again, thinking the target had more HP
2) Try elsewhere, thinking the target was immune or guarded or bus driven or whatever.
So craaaazy.
And Smoove, I was prepared to grudge you forever. Luckily, vert caught your mistake of targeting someone who was already dead.
Thank you for all the compliments, those that enjoyed it. I am glad some people did! That is what I am here for - a conduit to my players' enjoyment. I really am upset about so many players thinking the game was shitty because of poor balance, that is honestly the worst thing, I get how frustrating it can be to invest so much and fall short because of the host's mistakes.
Just remember I'm human too! Being berated over and over about the same mistake is incredibly demoralizing!
Come on, it's not like you gave every single person a random power, killed the wrong people in narration, and left half the kills up to a coin toss.
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@akimbolegs I don't think anyone was berating you, just discussing the game.
I don't think anyone thought the game was awful. As I said I enjoyed the game a lot. I'm not sure I'd be able to get into a winning position, but not the end of the world for me.
Please continue to make games.
Thank you for all the compliments, those that enjoyed it. I am glad some people did! That is what I am here for - a conduit to my players' enjoyment. I really am upset about so many players thinking the game was shitty because of poor balance, that is honestly the worst thing, I get how frustrating it can be to invest so much and fall short because of the host's mistakes.
Just remember I'm human too! Being berated over and over about the same mistake is incredibly demoralizing!
Come on, it's not like you gave every single person a random power, killed the wrong people in narration, and left half the kills up to a coin toss.
.... has sportz paid his dues yet?
No, Kime actually complimented his game balance :rotate:
Akimbo, don't think for a second we're unhappy overall with the game, it was fun, totally brought back the heart-pounding moments I crave out of these things.
"Will the plan succeed? Did they buy my lie? Are they trying to smoke me out?" The fact all of this ran through my head as I was playing made for an excellent time and I will definitely sign up for your next run!
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If anyone wants to know the gene combos for dragons (spoit?) let me know, I'll send you a PM with the link.
Just one question: Was there going to be something fuck-awesome if they tried to make the kaiser without the proper gene to control it, like I read in the wiki? I got so excited when I saw the failure gene was dead and they made a kaiser.
My main issue was that my primary concern for the first 7 days was staying alive, and talking to people and finding out stuff is a good way to find out too much and get killed for it.
Then I got converted and had no idea what was going on and pretty much everyone else knew everything.
My friend is working on a roguelike game you can play if you want to. (It has free demo)
If anyone wants to know the gene combos for dragons (spoit?) let me know, I'll send you a PM with the link.
Just one question: Was there going to be something fuck-awesome if they tried to make the kaiser without the proper gene to control it, like I read in the wiki? I got so excited when I saw the failure gene was dead and they made a kaiser.
The Infinity gene gave a 2 damage non-elemental vig. However, if it was used without Failure, or without one of the special combos (Ultimate Kaiser, Tiamat, or Bahamut), then it would randomly target. Nothing too crazy
Thank you for all the compliments, those that enjoyed it. I am glad some people did! That is what I am here for - a conduit to my players' enjoyment. I really am upset about so many players thinking the game was shitty because of poor balance, that is honestly the worst thing, I get how frustrating it can be to invest so much and fall short because of the host's mistakes.
Just remember I'm human too! Being berated over and over about the same mistake is incredibly demoralizing!
I'm typically one to be very critical.
Things could have been done differently. Oh well. I still enjoyed it. I don't have anywhere near as much heartburn as with the last sportz phalla and I'd gladly play another of yours.
If it wasn't clear, thanks for running.
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Oh yes, I nearly forgot.
Remember how I said back on like day 3 that Obi was up to something? And then everybody promptly kept on without me?
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I had fun with the game, thanks for hosting Akimbo!
Confusion will be my epitaph
this amounts to the host just being unreliable.
and I'm sorry I'm talking about it, but I spent 8 god damn days trying to figure out why a faction that was told to me was village aligned would be unseerable and also a different color, only to find out they were a secret cult that was actually not village aligned at all.
Worst part is we hit kime with 4 dmg on day 1 and let him sit there, unguarded, the entire time. A simple 2 dmg the next night would have made this game entirely different.
Mafia crawling hat-in-hand to 3rd faction for survival? Exciting and new.
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I clarified that for you as soon as you asked about it. Additionally, unclaimed genes came up as unactivated, and in blue...
Baidol!!!
Take that as a lesson for next time. Outed mafia aren't always full of shit.
I do! We were also seerable, killable, and when I died, the entire faction died. Our faction was also stated in a person's role (which they didn't read), and described in narration.
The difference is if Langly died the entire faction died.
Thanks for hosting anyway, Akimbo!
Yes, I understood it the first time someone said it. I actually PMd kime shortly after he died saying "I know that phrasing is going to get me into trouble." I've been wrestling with my conscience about it for the same 8 days.
I'll gladly recuse myself from running games from now on, since I'm clearly unfit, but at this point, the point has been brought up about 100 times in 2 pages. I get the point, guys.
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no, that isn't the lesson at all.
Noooooo.
For everyone else:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A
You think you're unfit to run phallas after the response to sportzboy's?
are you insane?
I am very disappointed that the mafia killed me for being talkative rather than my attempt to not-so-subtly pretend to have a reveal. It seems Langly was the only one that might have fallen for it.
don't be daft
you did a great job and you've run some great games
not everything you're going to make is going to be equally as good as one another and sometimes you'll make mistakes
i wound up canceling my second mini due to shit but i can confidently say that there were aspects that were unpolished that needed more refinement that players weren't enjoying, and there's nothing wrong with that. i'm not a professional game designer and neither are you, we're just dudes who like games.
sit up from the computer because you're frustrated and taking things personally, get something to drink, maybe a snack, have a liedown. then come back later and go "Alright, what can I learn from this experience", because I guarantee you having an iffy game is going to do so much more for your ability to host and make a game than having pretty solid, decent games all the time
Just remember I'm human too! Being berated over and over about the same mistake is incredibly demoralizing!
In our defense, we had so many kill powers that we had to spread them around to see some kind of result. When an ordered hit returned absolutely zero feedback, we had two choices:
1) Try again, thinking the target had more HP
2) Try elsewhere, thinking the target was immune or guarded or bus driven or whatever.
So craaaazy.
And Smoove, I was prepared to grudge you forever. Luckily, vert caught your mistake of targeting someone who was already dead.
Oh did you not know? I am SUPER good at this game. I should have told you up front.
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HoTS: Schmutz#1686
Come on, it's not like you gave every single person a random power, killed the wrong people in narration, and left half the kills up to a coin toss.
.... has sportz paid his dues yet?
and we'll make damn sure you never make it again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRamB30E9mU
I don't think anyone thought the game was awful. As I said I enjoyed the game a lot. I'm not sure I'd be able to get into a winning position, but not the end of the world for me.
Please continue to make games.
"Will the plan succeed? Did they buy my lie? Are they trying to smoke me out?" The fact all of this ran through my head as I was playing made for an excellent time and I will definitely sign up for your next run!
Just one question: Was there going to be something fuck-awesome if they tried to make the kaiser without the proper gene to control it, like I read in the wiki? I got so excited when I saw the failure gene was dead and they made a kaiser.
Then I got converted and had no idea what was going on and pretty much everyone else knew everything.
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The Infinity gene gave a 2 damage non-elemental vig. However, if it was used without Failure, or without one of the special combos (Ultimate Kaiser, Tiamat, or Bahamut), then it would randomly target. Nothing too crazy
I'm typically one to be very critical.
Things could have been done differently. Oh well. I still enjoyed it. I don't have anywhere near as much heartburn as with the last sportz phalla and I'd gladly play another of yours.
If it wasn't clear, thanks for running.
Remember how I said back on like day 3 that Obi was up to something? And then everybody promptly kept on without me?
Yea. I'm right about things sometimes.
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