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[Presidential Election Thread] All Hail the Liberty Rooster.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Jesus, taking and making the president's order would have to be the most stressful workday ever. I hope he never shops at my store, especially if I were on the demo station.

    I would be honored and pants-shittingly terrified all at once.

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  • DeebaserDeebaser At the corporate garage sale This is cheap and plentifulRegistered User regular
    I didn't even know the President had a peanut allergy! IM SO SORRY

  • TheBlackWindTheBlackWind Registered User regular
    Although the funny part about the dog eating story is how it just reemphasizes the Romney story. They should probably just shut up

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Although the funny part about the dog eating story is how it just reemphasizes the Romney story. They should probably just shut up

    I'm totally tired of talking about dog stories so here's another dog story

  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    in surveys most conservatives believe in helping others but most liberals don't think conservatives have empathy for their fellow man and he used that as evidence of liberals having conservatives all wrong. I say that it's evidence that conservatives don't actually practice what they believe, or they are voting for people who are completely opposed to their own sets of morals without realizing it.

    From what I gather from talking to US conservatives online, they have empathy, but it is limited empathy. They can be very kind to people they know, or people who are unfortunate through reasons they understand (eg a conservative with MS in the family will be sympathetic to the struggles of people with MS, but not necessarily other disabilities). But they have pretty much zero empathy for people they don't know in situations they are unfamiliar with.

    So if their next-door neighbour is struggling to make ends meet they are very likely to help out, and they often donate to charity. But for the vast mass of "others" out there, they have no sympathy or empathy whatsoever. All "others" are lumped in with the worst of their group. So all single mothers are defrauding welfare, all young black men are up to no good, all foreigners are plotting against the USA, all socialists are trying to introduce communism, all non-Christians seek to persecute Christianity. And so on.

    This cognitive dissonance leads to things like "the only moral abortion is my abortion." They assume that most girls get abortions because they sleep around with no thought to the consequences and care for the fact fetuses become babies. But when it happens to them or their daughters, they can list all the reasons why it is the best thing in their case, forgetting that all the other girls in the clinic will have similar stories.

    It's psychologically fascinating. A whole political philosophy built on fear of the other.

    Indeed, there is a difference between empathy for the problems of people you know and understand and empathy for those you don't. Conservatives almost always have the former, and a conservative who would do a good job in government has the latter too. The problem is that the Republican party does NOT have the latter. I'm sure if you were a parishioner at Mitt Romneys church and didn't have insurance and fell and broke your leg Mitt Romney would cheer efforts to help and contribute to the community action to help you (even if it was a compulsory part of church membership) but if he didn't know you then you are on your own.

    A good conservative doesn't believe in screwing over poor people, he just disagrees how is best to help society. Maybe he believes that incentives work better than taxes in shaping social and corporate behaviour.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    I look forward to the unabashedly racist photoshops and cartoons of Obama as a dog-eating savage.

  • PantsBPantsB Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Along the lines of the likely voter model being shitty, Dartmouth came out of with a NH poll that has Romney up 2, a 12 point swing from the last poll there 3 months ago from a different polling group. That's conceivable but pretty extreme. So we look at who they polled.

    Just under 500 RV.
    On the partisan identification measure, the respondents closely mirror the voting population in New Hampshire with the largest plurality of respondents identifying as “undeclared” or independent (38.1 percent), with 27.2 percent identifying as Democrats and 33.7 percent identifying as Republican
    That's more Republican than any NH election in the last 10 years including midterms like 2010 by ~8%. Those GOP votes come from Independent primarily but is also Democratic vote was 2 percent higher in 08.
    Regarding age, 29.2 percent of respondents are between the ages of 18 and 49 while 32.8 percent of respondents are between the ages of 50 and 64; the remaining respondents (28.0 percent) are 65 and older.
    In 2008, 55% of voters were between 18-49 in NH and only 14% were 65+. In the 2010 midterms it was 42% and 19%. So they think that voters in 2012 will skew considerably older than in 2010 midterms. In 04 it was 50% 18-44, 20% 60+.

    Embarrassingly terrible sample.

    edit-
    A weird mathematical quirk... using either 2008 and 2010 age demographics for the support Obama got on this poll has him up almost identical amounts 43/44 vs 40/41.

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  • chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    That's a very enlightening look into the likely voter models. I will now proceed to remain skeptical of all polling for all time.

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    I wonder what would happen if there was a major religious movement preaching fairness, kindness, acting towards others how you want them to act towards you, sharing, and condemning selfishness in the United States, wouldn't that be something

    Socialism!

    I recall a South American Catholic Big-hat preaching the church's responsibility in support of 'social justice' initiatives several months ago. This was more or less the response he got in the US.

    Supply-Side Jesus really is the new Jesus.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    I wonder what would happen if there was a major religious movement preaching fairness, kindness, acting towards others how you want them to act towards you, sharing, and condemning selfishness in the United States, wouldn't that be something

    Socialism!

    I recall a South American Catholic Big-hat preaching the church's responsibility in support of 'social justice' initiatives several months ago. This was more or less the response he got in the US.

    Supply-Side Jesus really is the new Jesus.

    There are Buddhist groups that do this, more or less, every so often in Asia.

    No one cares. :(

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  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    "I must admit, I scratch my head at the capacity of the president to take four hours off on such a regular basis to go golfing," Romney told WLW Radio in Cincinnati, responding to a question about the president's hobbies. "I would think you could kind of suck it up for four years particularly when the American people are out of work."

    When asked about vacations taken by the Obama family, who travel to the president's native Hawaii annually, Romney said his family would not use four or eight years in the White House to "see the world." Instead, the former Massachusetts governor said he would frequent Camp David, the presidential retreat in the Catoctin Mountain Park of Frederick County, Maryland.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_G8

    Also Camp David has a driving range and single hole course. Not sure why it's okay to dick around at David but not on a course either.

  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    chrisnl wrote: »
    That's a very enlightening look into the likely voter models. I will now proceed to remain skeptical of all polling for all time.

    Honestly we're already seeing some of the very worst offenses I've seen in many elections of looking into polls a little bit. You can simply see them skewing the results to make the answer always come out, "Close, but Romney wins" no matter how much you need to lie to get it there. With what they're doing they may as well just be polling only republican men over 55 and saying that's the election result. I actually did this earlier today. My polling sample was one republican, one democrat and one person who was undecided. I assumed a likely voter model where 82% of voters were republicans, and 17% were democrats with the rest being undecided, based on the 2008 presidential election results in Cullman county Alabama.

    Response one - I'm voting for Romney!
    Response two - I'm voting for Obama!
    Response three - I don't know yet, I don't really like to talk about these things too far in advance.

    Obama 17% Romney 82% Undecided 1%

    Romney to win every state!

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  • PantsBPantsB Registered User regular
    The sad thing is the Dartmouth/NH poll isn't even a likely voter model. Its registered voters, they just managed to only get really old people. Like 27% of the sample were retired. I blame that more on incompetence in both getting a sample and not saying "hold on a second" when seeing the breakdown.

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  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    Cantido wrote: »
    Does that mean strapping a dog to the top of a car is like strapping a baby to the top of a car?

    Some pet owners would say yes. I know I would.

    But what if the pet enjoyed it?

    How are people equating a dog hanging its head out of the window with being strapped to the top of a car for hours on the highway

    That's because the dog was strapped to the roof for several hours, 12 hours actually.

    It's brought up because people are trying to say Obama is bad cause he ate dog in Indonesia when he was a child. So it's a fair comparison.

  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    Cantido wrote: »
    Does that mean strapping a dog to the top of a car is like strapping a baby to the top of a car?

    Some pet owners would say yes. I know I would.

    But what if the pet enjoyed it?

    How are people equating a dog hanging its head out of the window with being strapped to the top of a car for hours on the highway

    That's because the dog was strapped to the roof for several hours, 12 hours actually.

    It's brought up because people are trying to say Obama is bad cause he ate dog in Indonesia when he was a child. So it's a fair comparison.

    It's essentially akin to being told you're no better than someone engaged in animal abuse because you eat meat.

  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Cantido wrote: »
    Does that mean strapping a dog to the top of a car is like strapping a baby to the top of a car?

    Some pet owners would say yes. I know I would.

    But what if the pet enjoyed it?

    How are people equating a dog hanging its head out of the window with being strapped to the top of a car for hours on the highway

    That's because the dog was strapped to the roof for several hours, 12 hours actually.

    It's brought up because people are trying to say Obama is bad cause he ate dog in Indonesia when he was a child. So it's a fair comparison.

    It's essentially akin to being told you're no better than someone engaged in animal abuse because you eat meat.

    Sounds like something PETA would say.

  • shadowaneshadowane Registered User regular
    Thanatos wrote: »
    The article seems remarkably thought out and absolutely brutalizes Bain capital when Romney was in charge.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    shadowane wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    The article seems remarkably thought out and absolutely brutalizes Bain capital when Romney was in charge.
    Village Voice does some really in-depth work on a lot of stuff. They don't worry about column inches as much as a lot of other papers, and since they do weeklies and not dailies, they can afford to spend the time necessary to dig a little deeper.

    The next Woodward & Bernstein isn't going to be writing for the New York Times; they're going to be writing for the Village Voice, or one of the other free weeklies. Or maybe even a blog.

    Thanatos on
  • TheCanManTheCanMan Registered User regular
    The thing about cookie-gate (a name so ridiculous I have to use it) that really stood out to me wasn't so much the "they came from a 7-11 bakery" but that he asked if they were homemade first and then dismissed them because she said they were bought. Someone buys you cookies and then you stick your nose up and harrumph about then not being good enough because they aren't homemade? It's like he's trying to prove that an out-of-touch ungrateful asshole can still convince millions of people to vote for him.

  • TaramoorTaramoor Registered User regular
    TheCanMan wrote: »
    The thing about cookie-gate (a name so ridiculous I have to use it) that really stood out to me wasn't so much the "they came from a 7-11 bakery" but that he asked if they were homemade first and then dismissed them because she said they were bought. Someone buys you cookies and then you stick your nose up and harrumph about then not being good enough because they aren't homemade? It's like he's trying to prove that an out-of-touch ungrateful asshole can still convince millions of people to vote for him.

    Is it worse that he's doing that or worse that he's right?

  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    The cookie thing. I don't think the point was he didn't like them or even try them, it was he insulted them for no reason.

    I don't expect a political leader to like everything, but don't be a dick about it.

  • shrykeshryke Registered User regular
    tbloxham wrote: »
    in surveys most conservatives believe in helping others but most liberals don't think conservatives have empathy for their fellow man and he used that as evidence of liberals having conservatives all wrong. I say that it's evidence that conservatives don't actually practice what they believe, or they are voting for people who are completely opposed to their own sets of morals without realizing it.

    From what I gather from talking to US conservatives online, they have empathy, but it is limited empathy. They can be very kind to people they know, or people who are unfortunate through reasons they understand (eg a conservative with MS in the family will be sympathetic to the struggles of people with MS, but not necessarily other disabilities). But they have pretty much zero empathy for people they don't know in situations they are unfamiliar with.

    So if their next-door neighbour is struggling to make ends meet they are very likely to help out, and they often donate to charity. But for the vast mass of "others" out there, they have no sympathy or empathy whatsoever. All "others" are lumped in with the worst of their group. So all single mothers are defrauding welfare, all young black men are up to no good, all foreigners are plotting against the USA, all socialists are trying to introduce communism, all non-Christians seek to persecute Christianity. And so on.

    This cognitive dissonance leads to things like "the only moral abortion is my abortion." They assume that most girls get abortions because they sleep around with no thought to the consequences and care for the fact fetuses become babies. But when it happens to them or their daughters, they can list all the reasons why it is the best thing in their case, forgetting that all the other girls in the clinic will have similar stories.

    It's psychologically fascinating. A whole political philosophy built on fear of the other.

    Indeed, there is a difference between empathy for the problems of people you know and understand and empathy for those you don't. Conservatives almost always have the former, and a conservative who would do a good job in government has the latter too. The problem is that the Republican party does NOT have the latter. I'm sure if you were a parishioner at Mitt Romneys church and didn't have insurance and fell and broke your leg Mitt Romney would cheer efforts to help and contribute to the community action to help you (even if it was a compulsory part of church membership) but if he didn't know you then you are on your own.

    A good conservative doesn't believe in screwing over poor people, he just disagrees how is best to help society. Maybe he believes that incentives work better than taxes in shaping social and corporate behaviour.

    A conservative is someone who doesn't understand that the entire point of the safety net is to help the people you don't know or like or understand.

  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    "I must admit, I scratch my head at the capacity of the president to take four hours off on such a regular basis to go golfing," Romney told WLW Radio in Cincinnati, responding to a question about the president's hobbies. "I would think you could kind of suck it up for four years particularly when the American people are out of work."

    When asked about vacations taken by the Obama family, who travel to the president's native Hawaii annually, Romney said his family would not use four or eight years in the White House to "see the world." Instead, the former Massachusetts governor said he would frequent Camp David, the presidential retreat in the Catoctin Mountain Park of Frederick County, Maryland.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_G8

    Also Camp David has a driving range and single hole course. Not sure why it's okay to dick around at David but not on a course either.

    The real take away here is that while Obama is spending his own money on family vacations, Mitt Romney is content to let the tax payer foot the bill for his.

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  • JihadJesusJihadJesus Registered User regular
    shadowane wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    The article seems remarkably thought out and absolutely brutalizes Bain capital when Romney was in charge.
    I don't know, it's obviously an assassination piece - there's now way you can call that objective by any stretch. It's accurate and well supported though which makes it a very good assassination piece, but still. You don't need to straight up call Romney a scumbag; just play it straight and present the info and Romney ends up calling himself a scumbag without giving anyone an excuse to toss the article because of the ax you're so conspicuously grinding.

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  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    "I must admit, I scratch my head at the capacity of the president to take four hours off on such a regular basis to go golfing," Romney told WLW Radio in Cincinnati, responding to a question about the president's hobbies. "I would think you could kind of suck it up for four years particularly when the American people are out of work."

    When asked about vacations taken by the Obama family, who travel to the president's native Hawaii annually, Romney said his family would not use four or eight years in the White House to "see the world." Instead, the former Massachusetts governor said he would frequent Camp David, the presidential retreat in the Catoctin Mountain Park of Frederick County, Maryland.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_G8

    Also Camp David has a driving range and single hole course. Not sure why it's okay to dick around at David but not on a course either.

    The real take away here is that while Obama is spending his own money on family vacations, Mitt Romney is content to let the tax payer foot the bill for his.

    It's not possible for Obama to only spend his own money on family vacations, for the rest of his life.

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  • DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    "I must admit, I scratch my head at the capacity of the president to take four hours off on such a regular basis to go golfing," Romney told WLW Radio in Cincinnati, responding to a question about the president's hobbies. "I would think you could kind of suck it up for four years particularly when the American people are out of work."

    When asked about vacations taken by the Obama family, who travel to the president's native Hawaii annually, Romney said his family would not use four or eight years in the White House to "see the world." Instead, the former Massachusetts governor said he would frequent Camp David, the presidential retreat in the Catoctin Mountain Park of Frederick County, Maryland.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_G8

    Also Camp David has a driving range and single hole course. Not sure why it's okay to dick around at David but not on a course either.

    The real take away here is that while Obama is spending his own money on family vacations, Mitt Romney is content to let the tax payer foot the bill for his.

    It's not possible for Obama to only spend his own money on family vacations, for the rest of his life.

    One, they only get secret service protection for ten years post leaving the white house.

    Two, considering they footed almost the entire trip themselves, with secret service being the one exception, this seems like a goosey, hair-splitting complaint.

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  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    DoctorArch wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    "I must admit, I scratch my head at the capacity of the president to take four hours off on such a regular basis to go golfing," Romney told WLW Radio in Cincinnati, responding to a question about the president's hobbies. "I would think you could kind of suck it up for four years particularly when the American people are out of work."

    When asked about vacations taken by the Obama family, who travel to the president's native Hawaii annually, Romney said his family would not use four or eight years in the White House to "see the world." Instead, the former Massachusetts governor said he would frequent Camp David, the presidential retreat in the Catoctin Mountain Park of Frederick County, Maryland.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_G8

    Also Camp David has a driving range and single hole course. Not sure why it's okay to dick around at David but not on a course either.

    The real take away here is that while Obama is spending his own money on family vacations, Mitt Romney is content to let the tax payer foot the bill for his.

    It's not possible for Obama to only spend his own money on family vacations, for the rest of his life.

    One, they only get secret service protection for ten years post leaving the white house.

    Two, considering they footed almost the entire trip themselves, with secret service being the one exception, this seems like a goosey, hair-splitting complaint.

    All complaints about Obama are flawed, false, or forgettable if you're a supporter.

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot P'burg, MTRegistered User regular
    And apparently all defenses of Obama are instantly dismissable.

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  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    JihadJesus wrote: »
    I don't know, it's obviously an assassination piece - there's now way you can call that objective by any stretch. It's accurate and well supported though which makes it a very good assassination piece, but still. You don't need to straight up call Romney a scumbag; just play it straight and present the info and Romney ends up calling himself a scumbag without giving anyone an excuse to toss the article because of the ax you're so conspicuously grinding.

    That kind of seems like the important thing here. You can't really say "They're just trying to make me look bad. Sure, they were right, and they supported their argument with facts and verified sources, but they were also being mean".

  • DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    DoctorArch wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    "I must admit, I scratch my head at the capacity of the president to take four hours off on such a regular basis to go golfing," Romney told WLW Radio in Cincinnati, responding to a question about the president's hobbies. "I would think you could kind of suck it up for four years particularly when the American people are out of work."

    When asked about vacations taken by the Obama family, who travel to the president's native Hawaii annually, Romney said his family would not use four or eight years in the White House to "see the world." Instead, the former Massachusetts governor said he would frequent Camp David, the presidential retreat in the Catoctin Mountain Park of Frederick County, Maryland.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_G8

    Also Camp David has a driving range and single hole course. Not sure why it's okay to dick around at David but not on a course either.

    The real take away here is that while Obama is spending his own money on family vacations, Mitt Romney is content to let the tax payer foot the bill for his.

    It's not possible for Obama to only spend his own money on family vacations, for the rest of his life.

    One, they only get secret service protection for ten years post leaving the white house.

    Two, considering they footed almost the entire trip themselves, with secret service being the one exception, this seems like a goosey, hair-splitting complaint.

    All complaints about Obama are flawed, false, or forgettable if you're a supporter.

    Nice two-fer there. A straw man and a goose at the same time.

    Especially as I, and numerous others, have griped many many times about Obama's flaws.

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  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    I think you're all missing the joke.

    Tis a play on the Romney Standard of Truth.

    Of course Obama can't only spend his own money on vacations and I don't really care if Romney spends all of his vacations at Camp David.

    But if Obama had said that, this is the kind of response Mittens would send out.

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  • KruiteKruite Registered User regular
    Well that Romney article seals the deal for me. Time to force my parents to read it.

  • CptKemzikCptKemzik Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    So Romney and Spool are hand-wringing over Obama's vacationing as president, meanwhile both seem to forget that Romney spent virtually half of his gubernatorial term deciding to campaign for president full-time because obviously his current political obligations at the time weren't important enough to fantasize about that oval office.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    DoctorArch wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    "I must admit, I scratch my head at the capacity of the president to take four hours off on such a regular basis to go golfing," Romney told WLW Radio in Cincinnati, responding to a question about the president's hobbies. "I would think you could kind of suck it up for four years particularly when the American people are out of work."

    When asked about vacations taken by the Obama family, who travel to the president's native Hawaii annually, Romney said his family would not use four or eight years in the White House to "see the world." Instead, the former Massachusetts governor said he would frequent Camp David, the presidential retreat in the Catoctin Mountain Park of Frederick County, Maryland.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_G8

    Also Camp David has a driving range and single hole course. Not sure why it's okay to dick around at David but not on a course either.

    The real take away here is that while Obama is spending his own money on family vacations, Mitt Romney is content to let the tax payer foot the bill for his.

    It's not possible for Obama to only spend his own money on family vacations, for the rest of his life.

    One, they only get secret service protection for ten years post leaving the white house.

    Two, considering they footed almost the entire trip themselves, with secret service being the one exception, this seems like a goosey, hair-splitting complaint.

    All complaints about Obama are flawed, false, or forgettable if you're a supporter.
    Mitt Romney spent 212 days outside of the state of Massachusetts in 2006. Just to be clear, here: he was, you know, the governor.

    I suspect that if you added up the days Obama spent outside of the U.S. and on vacation in his entire term, there's a good chance it wouldn't hit that.

    So, why, exactly, are we to presume that Mitt Romney would treat the people of the U.S. as chief executive any better than he treated the people of Massachusetts as chief executive? And why is anyone giving any sort of credence to these ridiculous accusations coming from the governor-in-abstentia?

    Oh, yeah, that's right: Republicans. Attack your opponent based upon your own weaknesses. If Obama John Kerrys this one, I'mma be pissed.

  • adytumadytum Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    spool32 wrote: »
    That's the forgettable part: you're going to vote for him regardless. No complaint you or anyone else may have, will dissuade you from voting for Obama. They will always have some aspect that allows you to dismiss them.

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  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    DoctorArch wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    DoctorArch wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    "I must admit, I scratch my head at the capacity of the president to take four hours off on such a regular basis to go golfing," Romney told WLW Radio in Cincinnati, responding to a question about the president's hobbies. "I would think you could kind of suck it up for four years particularly when the American people are out of work."

    When asked about vacations taken by the Obama family, who travel to the president's native Hawaii annually, Romney said his family would not use four or eight years in the White House to "see the world." Instead, the former Massachusetts governor said he would frequent Camp David, the presidential retreat in the Catoctin Mountain Park of Frederick County, Maryland.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_G8

    Also Camp David has a driving range and single hole course. Not sure why it's okay to dick around at David but not on a course either.

    The real take away here is that while Obama is spending his own money on family vacations, Mitt Romney is content to let the tax payer foot the bill for his.

    It's not possible for Obama to only spend his own money on family vacations, for the rest of his life.

    One, they only get secret service protection for ten years post leaving the white house.

    Two, considering they footed almost the entire trip themselves, with secret service being the one exception, this seems like a goosey, hair-splitting complaint.

    All complaints about Obama are flawed, false, or forgettable if you're a supporter.

    Nice two-fer there. A straw man and a goose at the same time.

    Especially as I, and numerous others, have griped many many times about Obama's flaws.

    That's the forgettable part: you're going to vote for him regardless. No complaint you or anyone else may have, will dissuade you from voting for Obama. They will always have some aspect that allows you to dismiss them.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    spool32 wrote: »
    That's the forgettable part: you're going to vote for him regardless. No complaint you or anyone else may have, will dissuade you from voting for Obama. They will always have some aspect that allows you to dismiss them.
    Here's a challenge for you, @spool32: name three ways Romney is better than Obama.

    Clearly, this isn't one of them.

    Thanatos on
  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    CptKemzik wrote: »
    So Romney and Spool are hand-wringing over Obama's vacationing as president, meanwhile both seem to forget that Romney spent virtually half of his gubernatorial term deciding to campaign for president full-time because obviously his current political obligations at the time weren't important enough to fantasize about that oval office.

    Whoa there, hoss. I'm not the one who brought up vacations.

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  • TheCanManTheCanMan Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
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    Quid wrote: »
    "I must admit, I scratch my head at the capacity of the president to take four hours off on such a regular basis to go golfing," Romney told WLW Radio in Cincinnati, responding to a question about the president's hobbies. "I would think you could kind of suck it up for four years particularly when the American people are out of work."

    When asked about vacations taken by the Obama family, who travel to the president's native Hawaii annually, Romney said his family would not use four or eight years in the White House to "see the world." Instead, the former Massachusetts governor said he would frequent Camp David, the presidential retreat in the Catoctin Mountain Park of Frederick County, Maryland.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_G8

    Also Camp David has a driving range and single hole course. Not sure why it's okay to dick around at David but not on a course either.

    The real take away here is that while Obama is spending his own money on family vacations, Mitt Romney is content to let the tax payer foot the bill for his.

    It's not possible for Obama to only spend his own money on family vacations, for the rest of his life.

    One, they only get secret service protection for ten years post leaving the white house.

    Two, considering they footed almost the entire trip themselves, with secret service being the one exception, this seems like a goosey, hair-splitting complaint.

    All complaints about Obama are flawed, false, or forgettable if you're a supporter.

    Nice two-fer there. A straw man and a goose at the same time.

    Especially as I, and numerous others, have griped many many times about Obama's flaws.

    That's the forgettable part: you're going to vote for him regardless. No complaint you or anyone else may have, will dissuade you from voting for Obama. They will always have some aspect that allows you to dismiss them.

    We've already covered this ground a couple pages back. The reason we're all voting for Obama regardless of any issues we have with him is because we aren't voting in a vacuum. Not voting for Obama is tantamount to voting for his opponent. So until he appears to be worse than Romney, there's nothing he can do to lose my vote. And since I literally believe that Romney would intentionally make my life worse for the betterment of the super-rich, that's a pretty high bar of evil for Obama to have to reach.

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