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Libertarianism, Anarchism, and Society with Voluntary Self Governance
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Is this a socialist or capitalist society? In a socialist society the water would be free. In a capitalist society they would be brought to court. If the court sides the water company, they could find other courts (this is done in some societies, multiple judges, usually 3, get to rule and the majority rule wins).
They don't seek help, but they receive it by living where they do.
They benefit from the peace and rule of law applied by the courts and police and army of the USA. If these did not exist, the pacifistic Amish would be easy prey for slavers and unscrupulous types. How do you think the Amish would fare if they upped sticks and moved to Somalia?
What I'm suggesting is government. It's self government (see the title(. It's community government rather than one large state or federal government.
>A large group governed by a central authority has always wielded more power than hundreds of loosely affiliated, but independent communes.
I'm advocating independent communes.
What do you think a government even is?
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So you still haven't explained what happens when two communities have opposing interests. Like the upstream pollution issue.
That, and what the fuck you realize a state is just a larger community right?
I'm unsure he has the ability to think about this, even if he had the desire.
What?
That's one of the reasons I don't like capitalism.
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We've tried a lot of things, and found that many of them don't work. Laissez faire capitalism being one of them.
That said, we sure could use a lot less government in specific areas, like eminent domain (as expanded today), the war on drugs, and a few other areas where it harms more than helps.
The King makes no illusions that he doesn't need you. The CEO, at least, pretends he cares about your interests.
Right. And ignoring the issue of both inter-commune issues as well as intra-commune oppression of individuals.
Because those won't happen. Or "an organization" will step in if they do.
This is hilarious, actually.
Ha. Both are equally unlikely, but the question goes to the fact that people hate government but want private enterprise to have government's powers.
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I've answered this many times already. By people, by their neighbors. I'd do it myself if I had the opportunity.
Okay.
How?
So, basically, you want a government but also vigilante justice?
Is that really the entire point of this thread?
Because the CEOs have invested much time and money in bombarding the USA with propaganda to that effect.
Nowhere else in the world thinks like this.
Not if the people can remove it and following it is voluntary. There are already explanations for most of these questions in the OP.
A very large independent capitalistic commune?
Furthermore, for a court system to be more that some guys shooting the shit in robes it needs some way for their decisions to actually matter. This requires what is known as "police power." If a Judge tells someone he's guilty and he can just say "fuck off" then you don't have a court system.
And for it to be a court system, there have to be a series of laws upon which they base their rulings. If its just the Judges doing what they think is best, they are simply an oligarchy (a style of government).
If there's a series of laws(legislative), a court to interpret them (judicial) and a force to enforce them (executive) guess what you fucking have?
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There are also examples where members have been kicked out for going to the police. It depends on the commune.
Because libertarians believe that the unelected head of a corporation is more accountable than a popularly elected official.
I pretty much, at least in any case where CEOs are doing anything I would otherwise disapprove of, like unethical business practices or immoral retention of wealth.
The Governm......oh you almost got me there!
Wait first who decides what actions constitute a crime?
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Except if their neighbors agree.
Then who enforces it?
Or do the gay people just give up and leave?
In extreme situations.
There's an interesting 3 part video in the OP that describes this exact situation.
There has to be enforcement for any kind of authority to have legitimacy. And what's to stop the most powerful community from just enslaving the less powerful ones? There is no threat to them by this voluntary government since there is no enforcement.
The problem was sexual assault, her brothers wouldn't stop raping her and they were all pacifists so instead of stopping it they drove her out of the community after she took matters into her own hands and contacted the police. The community should have called the police instead of telling her to pray harder the first time she asked for help.
This is a rare kind of occurrence, but it was taken care of.
Does. Does become. Or, more correctly, has become.
Yes, but this is also a thread for discussing this.
So why don't you sum it up, or at least give us a time to look for it, rather than just say "Oh, the video explains it"?
Summarize it for those of us who don't want to spend half an hour watching what is undoubtedly tedious right-wing propaganda.