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Libertarianism, Anarchism, and Society with Voluntary Self Governance
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You are allowed self defense if somebody is aggression against you. The whole point is that it's voluntary up until that point. If you are being violent and aggressive the community has the right to call in their voluntary police force.
If it is human run endeavor, no matter how noble or amiable the participants, there is always the potential for corruption. No system you could possibly ever propose will ever remove this fact. (Unless you want to talk about Government by robots, now THAT'S a discussion worth having.)
So, yes, the entire thread is just an argument for vigilante justice?
It doesn't work in the real world.
We tried it, it failed. Move on.
Voluntary vigilante justice.
I'd have to watch it again myself and I'm going to go eat. For some reason all those videos just link back to the OP. I fixed them.
Anways, there are three parts to this:
Edit: How would your community handle something like the Trayvon Martin case where the person claimed self defence?
Lots of people have become kings. Having the previous king's head on a stick goes a long way toward cementing the position.
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But the community is overwhelmed by the strength of the aggressor. That is, a community of say 5,000 people has a militia of 500 volunteers (10% volunteerism is like hella optimistic). A community of 50,000 with a professional military of 5,000 slaughters the defenders and enslaves the town.
All the nearby communities, even if the stand together, can muster only 1,000 soldiers between them. What's to stop the aggressor from just continuing the conquest?
And what if the Drunk guy is one of the Voluntary police? He's a real nice guy and no one wants to hurt him.
And what happens when the drunk guy says "OK I'll stop" when the "Voluntary Police" show up and then immediately starts beating her again when they leave?
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It was taken care of as in it's over, she went to the police. Yes things would have been better had they gone down another way. But that's neither here nor there.
>How would your community handle something like the Trayvon Martin case where the person claimed self defence?
Depends on the community. There would be a trial and an investigation like there is actually going on. And now I'm off to eat.
Taxation is a form of subscription to services. In this case, it's a tremendously large subscription for quite a few services. It's sort of like a HOA membership, in that you have to move to unsubscribe.
Taxation isn't theft - it's part of the agreement made by living in a nation. Everyone is welcome to leave the country if they don't want to pay taxes.
The bolded is an issue, because you need to find another nation willing to take you. None are required to.
But yeah, in general this is my opinion on the matter. Taxes are lower in Mexico, let me know how it goes for you. Even lower in Somalia, I'd wager. See ya.
You can see why libertarians always do this. It is hard to argue against youtube videos without transcribing the bloody things. Thus the libertarian can leave for lunch, content that no-one will be able to address the video adequately, revealing that we are all no doubt foundering in response to the video's persuasive arguments.
How does this "voluntary" police force work? Does it only form whenever a crime is committed? That's going to make the resources and personnel very erratic, unlike the current form which is stable. If it is voluntary can't anyone be the detective on cases that interest them? All the popular cases may be over-run by detectives and unpopular ones may not be investigated at all. What's to stop a friend or fellow conspirator become a detective on a case of the perpetrator. It would be easy for them to discover what the other detectives are doing and cover it up. Not to mention you'd get more amateurs over professionals who know what they're doing.
A collective action problem is a situation where individuals working independently towards their own respective personal benefit result in a state of affairs that is collectively less desirable. The tragedy of the commons is the classic one, but there are plenty of others from game theory: prisoner's dilemmas, Nash equilibria, rendevous problems, free riders, etc.
Without an entity capable of coercing people to sacrifice (hopefully small) individual benefits in the interest of collective goals, you end up with undesirable outcomes.
Would you like some real-world examples? I'm not sure how familiar you are with psychology or game theory.
Also so now this video is telling me that nonbinding arbitration with some random guy is better then having a government. What if I don't think Charlie is a good arbitrator? What if he is really good friends with Adam so I think he will favor him video? What if I want to have some guy arbitrate for everyone and we can all pick who he is, we can call him a judge and vote for him.
Crabs in a Bucket
What if the voluntary police force just turns into an extortion racket like the Mafia or becomes abusive in some other fashion? There is no lawful recourse for it, they either live in fear and tyranny or violently rebel.
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
That video is dumb. If you can't see that you are dumb.
It says on an island with 3 people, A and B have a dispute, they can ask C to decide. They never say what happens if A doesn't like C's decision.
It then says in a larger society, there would be competition to be an arbiter and if A and B have a dispute they can pick the best arbiter. It says that fairness and honesty would be the best characteristics in choosing an arbiter. It never addresses what to do when A wants to pick his brother Z and B wants to pick his brother Y as arbiters.
Or what the "dispute" is when A rapes and murders B and his entire family and takes all their fucking apples.
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International waters for a ...... submerged city, which could be called Rapture for example, is totally an option.
Voluntarily violently rebel.
So it's coo'.
Of course if you're born there and don't like working for the "Bosses" or adhering to their religion,well hey, you're totally free to take your 8th grade education and grounding in the Biblical proof of Anabaptist theology somewhere else. Don't expect any compensation for the free labour you provided in the colony, but hey, no one used "aggression" so I guess it's okay.
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I mean my history classes in school did an ass job with the guilded age etc, but Jesus fucking christ, we have an entire month dedicated to the former.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/silicon-valley-billionaire-funding-creation-artificial-libertarian-islands-140840896.html
A man chooses, a slave obeys!
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If faith is just a silent tribute, mine is just a desperate act.
I find it sad that someone can go through a history class and then make a statement like this.
Government isn't a natural champion of shit. It is how the people use the government.