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[YEStling Thread] DJ Hogan in the house

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Ryder was at Mania. He did take the pin though.

  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    i used to have the raw where ryder squashes cole saved on my dvr so that i could watch it whenever i wanted

    because i remember sitting in the den

    cole's out in the ring, dressed like triple h

    and i think to myself

    boy wouldn't it be great if it was zack ryder

    OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH RADIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    damn near wet myself

  • MagellMagell Registered User regular
    The worst part is that every time Ryder comes out I'm sure this is when the WWE is done with squashing him and are going to actually start pushing him again after deciding that he has been humbled enough.

    I really thought that the Kane match was going to be a hard fought fight that had Orton interfere and take out Kane so Ryder could get the win, some kind of revenge after being killed by Kane for months. I'd have even accepted a Ryder loss after a match that let Ryder get some offense in and not look like a bitch, but it was not to be.

  • The Geebs That Is A PonyThe Geebs That Is A Pony Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    zack ryder built up a ton of support based on his web show

    but when he got on tv it became more clear how limited his ring skills, his mic skills, and his character are

  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    zack ryder built up a ton of support based on his web show

    but when he got on tv it became more clear how limited his ring skills, his mic skills, and his character are

    His ring skills are fine but even if the Kane stuff hadn't happened I'm not sure if he could have sustained his heat for very long. Even before the Kane thing I noticed he was getting less and less reaction every week. But I do hear they plan on releasing a DVD about him later in the year so they still see some kind of monetary value in him.

  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom I can't take 6 on at once I'm still an apprentice for gods sakesRegistered User regular
    Even a squash match between Ryder and Kane would have been better than what we got Monday.

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Bottom line is they shouldn't have kept feeding Ryder to Kane but at the same time I think he wouldn't be nearly as popular today than he was around late last year even with being booked stronger.

  • SchideSchide Registered User regular
    I wish Ophidian would have just kept his old mask instead of going to that new one. His old mask was awesome and the new one is kind of dull. Eh, at least the old masks are still around. (This was left over from earlier today I guess)
    Dyvim Tvar wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    Dyvim Tvar wrote: »
    I just saw "Mixed Martial Archie" I have a new favourite gimmick of all time.
    @Buttlord are those Chikara shows available for download from Smartmark yet, or are they just DVDs?
    DVD. They're phasing out downloads in favor if streaming

    Phasing it out? I thought they'd only been doing DL since King of Trios.
    Oh well, back to waiting an eternity for the DVDs to cross the ocean then I guess

    Yeah I heard Smartmark and whatever don't want to provide downloads anymore in order to prevent piracy but...yeah, that's not going to help that much I'm guessing.

  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    Schide wrote: »
    I wish Ophidian would have just kept his old mask instead of going to that new one. His old mask was awesome and the new one is kind of dull. Eh, at least the old masks are still around. (This was left over from earlier today I guess)
    Dyvim Tvar wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    Dyvim Tvar wrote: »
    I just saw "Mixed Martial Archie" I have a new favourite gimmick of all time.
    @Buttlord are those Chikara shows available for download from Smartmark yet, or are they just DVDs?
    DVD. They're phasing out downloads in favor if streaming

    Phasing it out? I thought they'd only been doing DL since King of Trios.
    Oh well, back to waiting an eternity for the DVDs to cross the ocean then I guess

    Yeah I heard Smartmark and whatever don't want to provide downloads anymore in order to prevent piracy but...yeah, that's not going to help that much I'm guessing.

    it's more that other distros/promotions are already offering streaming and that's doing well so they're jumping on that wagon

    piracy happened before the downloads

    it'll happen after they're gone

  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom I can't take 6 on at once I'm still an apprentice for gods sakesRegistered User regular
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    Bottom line is they shouldn't have kept feeding Ryder to Kane but at the same time I think he wouldn't be nearly as popular today than he was around late last year even with being booked stronger.

    Even being a little less popular is better than being made to look like a bitch so often that there's very little reason to care at all.

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  • Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated Registered User regular
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    Smackdown was much better than Raw during 2003 I will say that. But regarding the Cena/Rock buildup, how the fuck else were they gonna do it? Rock was doing his movie shit, Cena was wrestling. They kept up the feud by trading online jabs until Rock was ready to make more appearance. It wasn't "laughably bad" at all.

    Seriously? There's plenty of shit they could've done to actually make it interesting. Not pair them up in a shitty Survivor Series main event with opponents that had been booked to look like incompetent weaklings. Come up with something better than a bunch of childish insults to actually make both men look like they dislike the other, preferably with some physical f'n contact. Make Cena quit the stupid smirk routine and actually take everything seriously. Don't god damn book them in stupid song/rap segments that makes the entire thing seem fake and like it's a complete joke. I can go on if you like, it's really not hard to poke holes in that atrocious build.

    Oh and unless you've got a good source saying Triple H and Stephanie have taken over day to day operations, then no, Vince is still in charge. I somehow doubt that's the sort of thing they'd be able to keep hidden. But even when the company is handed over, who knows if it'll be a positive change. It's Triple H after all.
    zack ryder built up a ton of support based on his web show

    but when he got on tv it became more clear how limited his ring skills, his mic skills, and his character are
    I think his character is fine but yeah, his ring and mic skills definitely need a lot of work. Still, it's not like Brodus or Santino are any good in the ring, so he easily could've been a solid midcarder.

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  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom I can't take 6 on at once I'm still an apprentice for gods sakesRegistered User regular
    If every single week of the Cena/Rock feud had been like the final Raw before the match, I wouldn't have completely hated every minute of the build-up.

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  • facetiousfacetious a wit so dry it shits sandRegistered User regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    3) when quackenbush came out and people were chanting "quack" someone in the back yelled GOOOOOOOO DUCKS and i giggled

    This is the greatest living human being.

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    Real strong, facetious.

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  • XehalusXehalus Registered User regular
    I thought the premise of the Cena/Rock fued was great, with it possibly being about the Attitude Era vs the PG Era. Then it got monotonous with generic personal attacks and maybe a couple from Cena actually being entertaining. It really added nothing to their careers, except perhaps some merchandise sells... which is mostly the point, I guess.

  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    The point of Rock/Cena was to make money in general.

  • XehalusXehalus Registered User regular
    That's why it will never make money again.

    You have this huge chance to polarize your audience to NWO vs WCW levels and while Cena is headbutting the 4th wall, the Rock is putting me to sleep.

    Xehalus on
  • HullisHullis I'm no more a spy than you are- A doctor.Registered User regular
    I really fucking like this angle they're doing over the past year or so with Cena where he can see that they're trying to move past the era that he's really helped defined, and feels absolutely powerless to stop it, but he's gonna go down swinging because he feels loyal to the people that got him there, even if they've turned on him.

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  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    that's not an angle that's actually how cena feels

    cena doesn't actually like how overbooked he is

    he really pushed to have the CENA IS FIRED NEXUS WOO thing last for a while

    noooooooope

  • NiryaNirya Registered User regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    i used to have the raw where ryder squashes cole saved on my dvr so that i could watch it whenever i wanted

    because i remember sitting in the den

    cole's out in the ring, dressed like triple h

    and i think to myself

    boy wouldn't it be great if it was zack ryder

    OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH RADIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    damn near wet myself



    Also, for as much as you guys are complaining about the buildup for Rock/Cena, just realize that this was, not only the biggest Wrestlemania of all-time, in terms of buy-rate, but the most successful wrestling ppv in history. Debate all you want about whether it was bad to have a year-long build, or how the story progressed, but you guys are in the clear minority compared to the numbers.

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  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    idiots discussing buyrates and builds and shit online don't make up the majority of the wrestling audience, no shit

    this doesn't mean the build wasn't stultifyingly fucking stupid

    or that they botched the punk leaving angle

    most people don't sit down and go "well the build for this angle sucked" they go "fuck yeah the rock vs cena" and sign up

    like shit even i still thought "fuck yeah rock vs cena" until the actual match happened

    Buttlord on
  • NiryaNirya Registered User regular
    My basic argument is that you really shouldn't be surprised that the biggest promotion in the world isn't catering to you and is instead trying to serve the biggest portion of their audience. I won't argue how badly the Punk angle was handled, considering it got to TNA-levels of over-booking.

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  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    just because they aren't catering to the Internet Wrestling Community doesn't mean they didn't do a thing ass-fucking-backwards

    like

    is your argument "well people liked it so oh well"

    that's a dumb argument and basically removes the ability to bitch about anything wwe does

  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    twilight's really popular!

    does that make twilight not a piece of shit?

    no because it's a stupid fucking book that portrays an abusive relationship like a good thing

  • Alistair HuttonAlistair Hutton Registered User regular
    zack ryder built up a ton of support based on his web show

    but when he got on tv it became more clear how limited his ring skills, his mic skills, and his character are

    Limited ring skills? Where does this fucking myth come from? Ryder has a catalogue of great matches on Superstars. and that Tiger Bomb he delivered to Christian on ECW is beautiful.

  • PwnanObrienPwnanObrien Registered User regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    twilight's really popular!

    does that make twilight not a piece of shit?

    no because it's a stupid fucking book that portrays an abusive relationship like a good thing

    SHUT UP AJ!

    Also, on the topic of Ryder:

    It doesn't matter how lacking or not lacking somebody's mic skills or in-ring performance is. When they're over they should damn well stay over. 911 was over for a long time in ECW and all he had going was a chokeslam.



    By the way, Spike Dudley's role here...

    exactly how you keep Ryder over.

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  • NiryaNirya Registered User regular
    Your argument is also that "well, I and a bunch of people didn't like it, so it must have been bad."

    In fact, all I really see in this thread is people bitching about things they don't like, but treating it as if it's solid fact, rather than seeing that there are two sides to each thing. To use your Twilight analogy, you don't like it, and think it is terrible. But other people like it just fine. Are either of you wrong? Nope.

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  • XehalusXehalus Registered User regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    idiots discussing buyrates and builds and shit online don't make up the majority of the wrestling audience, no shit

    this doesn't mean the build wasn't stultifyingly fucking stupid

    hahahaha

  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    Nirya wrote: »
    Your argument is also that "well, I and a bunch of people didn't like it, so it must have been bad."

    In fact, all I really see in this thread is people bitching about things they don't like, but treating it as if it's solid fact, rather than seeing that there are two sides to each thing. To use your Twilight analogy, you don't like it, and think it is terrible. But other people like it just fine. Are either of you wrong? Nope.

    ah yes the "well that's just, like, your opinion, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan" argument

    who

    gives

    a fuck

    going "well it's popular so YOUR OPINION" is the weakest fucking argument and is the internet equivalent of plugging your ears and going lalala

    also no twilight literally portrays an abusive relationship as a Good Thing, this makes it a bad fucking thing

    the fact that people think an abusive relationship is so romantic? also not a good thing!

    Buttlord on
  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    Xehalus wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    idiots discussing buyrates and builds and shit online don't make up the majority of the wrestling audience, no shit

    this doesn't mean the build wasn't stultifyingly fucking stupid

    hahahaha

    i use "idiots" euphemistically

  • DeviousRakunDeviousRakun Registered User regular
    This is why I'm afraid to post in the wrestling threads.

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  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    just post about chikara

    i try to stick to this

    chikara's doing another invasion angle because quack is hella gay for them. it's pretty good so far! i like the fake colony!

  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    also archibald peck and chuck taylor at the ottawa show owned

  • Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated Registered User regular
    Nirya wrote: »
    Also, for as much as you guys are complaining about the buildup for Rock/Cena, just realize that this was, not only the biggest Wrestlemania of all-time, in terms of buy-rate, but the most successful wrestling ppv in history. Debate all you want about whether it was bad to have a year-long build, or how the story progressed, but you guys are in the clear minority compared to the numbers.
    And yet it missed the number they were aiming for by a mile and Raw's ratings sucked leading into WM. Spin those into positives.

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  • facetiousfacetious a wit so dry it shits sandRegistered User regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    also archibald peck and chuck taylor at the ottawa show owned


    This

    owns

    .

    "I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde
    Real strong, facetious.

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  • Dyvim TvarDyvim Tvar Evil Snake Cult Leader Registered User regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    just post about chikara

    i try to stick to this

    chikara's doing another invasion angle because quack is hella gay for them. it's pretty good so far! i like the fake colony!

    I 'm really hoping that the Genkido aren't RoH guys as the strongest rumour about them suggests, I know I'm in the minority here but I could very happily live without almost anybody from that roster being on Chikara shows. I'm not going to go all Chikarafans.com about it, especially since I really don't like at least one member of the Colony in his work outside of that gimmick yet the Colony tend to be one of my favourite things in Chikara.
    [edit]Hmm, seems the "It's just RoH guys" rumour has moved from strong down to "meh, probably not" since I last kept up on that kind of thing. And of course there's the actual events of the early April shows to help dispell some of that particular brand of speculation. So pretty much ignore all that.
    Also I want Vin Gerrard to not be retired. I would like that a lot.

    In other news I buckled and handed over the cash for the last two shows on VOD, which I hated doing since I would much prefer to have them available as downloads but whatever. I got my order screwed up and watched "It's how you play the game" first so now I've spoiled the results of the tag title match for myself. However that's okay, because I got to see Archie vs Taylor in possibly the best comedy match I've ever seen outside of DDT.

    Dyvim Tvar on
  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    i literally do not know anything about who anybody in chikara is when they taker their masks off and i literally do not want to know

    if you ever tell me who they are i will hunt you down and kill you

  • The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    they are all

    perry saturn

  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Nirya wrote: »
    Also, for as much as you guys are complaining about the buildup for Rock/Cena, just realize that this was, not only the biggest Wrestlemania of all-time, in terms of buy-rate, but the most successful wrestling ppv in history. Debate all you want about whether it was bad to have a year-long build, or how the story progressed, but you guys are in the clear minority compared to the numbers.
    And yet it missed the number they were aiming for by a mile and Raw's ratings sucked leading into WM. Spin those into positives.

    OK this will be the last time I respond to you since it's obvious we'll never agree on anything but 1.3 compared to 1.5 is not "missing by a mile". Mania 28 was a massive monetary success with nearly 9 mil made on the gate alone and 68 million made from the revenue.

    As for the ratings leading up to it? The Nielson system is fucking archaric in this day and age and it's pathetic that WWE, TNA, and any cable program for that matter has to cater to it like it's some end all, be all of viewership statistics.

  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    i guess there's a picture somewhere of like

    the whole chikara roster sans masks

    never looked for/at it though

    i don't want to know

    i want to pretend tursas is really a viking irl

    and that the colony are ant people

    one time i dreamed that i had to team up with the colony to stop the asian mob

    not the yakuza, the asian mob

    this was the night after i dreamed that the rock was my english teacher

    i stopped putting wrestling on when i went to bed after that

  • Zen VulgarityZen Vulgarity Ask me about Super Propane and Super Propane accessoriesRegistered User regular
    I can't

    follow

    you

    on this string of thoughts

    it keeps going

    and going

    like the energizer bunny

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